Integration of Satel Integra 128 PIR detectors with S7-1200 PLC in a domestic installation

Hello,
I am getting down to designing the installation in my house.
The project involves using a Satel Integra 128 control panel and a PLC - S7-1200.
I know that practically most of the assumptions could be realised with SATEL alone, but due to my professional deviation I want to use a PLC. Additionally, it will be easier for me to build a web interface to manage the whole thing externally.

Assumptions:
- automatic switching of lighting when entering rooms,
- closing of roller blinds when the alarm system is activated,
- automatic switching off the air-conditioning when nobody is in the room,
- external lighting control
and much more.

Wiring assumptions:
- each light switch 2xUTP (bistable relay control, temperature sensor).
- each socket 3x2.5mm2 + 1xUTP cable (NC monostable relays will be flush mounted).
- UTP in any place assuming the need for control now or in the future (gas cooker, fireplace, awning on the garden, garage door etc.).

The design is roughly done (I'll brag about it when I'm finished). I have set about working out the logic and establishing the output inputs on the Satel and PLC and have encountered one problem - connecting the PIR detectors to the PLC.

Namely - the SATEL outputs are all low current OpenColector type, the inputs on the PLC are 24V voltage.
I have no idea at this time how to transfer the status of the detectors between SATEL and the PLC.
What solution do you recommend?

Transoptor board (ICs) - making the board + ARK terminals + integrated transoptors = a pittance....

Banan87 wrote:

automatic shutdown of air conditioning when no one is in the room,

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What is your concept for detecting such a condition?

Hello,
Right - the matter is child's play. Expander INT-O has 8 relay outputs. The total number of detectors which I would need to observe would be about 16 - so two expansion modules. From what I've read, INTEGRA 128 allows expansion by 14 output modules.
Thanks a lot

From your experience - what relays do you recommend for lighting control. I was wondering about the F&F BIS411i (24V).
However, they do not have any output to confirm the current status of the relay. Of course, I can build software to record the lighting states after an edge on the button input....

Which relays do you recommend?

Thanks a lot.

Banan87 wrote:

What relays do you recommend?

It's a good idea to use a relay.
Use int-iors expanders on the bus. The load capacity of their relays will safely handle most consumers in a lighting and roller shutter installation. And for air-conditioning control they can control suitably selected contactors.
In summary, a PLC may be unnecessary and the whole system can be based on Integra.

Banan87 wrote:

From your experience - what relays do you recommend for lighting control.

Satel expander relays for 230V AC.
I have done control of 50 lamps in a Hospital on this.
Bistability will be taken care of by Satel's control panel software.

Banan87 wrote:

However, they have no output to confirm the current status of the relay.

You will have status from Satel.

Banan87 wrote:

Of course I can build software that will record the lighting states after the edge on the button input...

This will be done by the Satel control panel.

jann111 wrote:

In summary, a PLC may be unnecessary and the whole thing can be based on an Integra.

I think so too.
In terms of service at the hospital, Satel was unrivalled by PLC.

Not only that - a colleague has an ABAX ductless system at his disposal.
A super-system, as it realises communication with the sensors in both directions.

I haven't worked on Satel for 10 years.
I am not up to date.
Today Satel has certainly and increased the capabilities of the control panel.

I made - modules to control Satel inputs with 230V. In this option, Stel supervised the 230V AC mains power outage.
He called the mobile phone, to the operator with the information.
He simply talked on which device there was a voltage outage.
With real-time recording.

Banan87 wrote:

- automatic shut-off of air conditioning when no one is in the room,

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Rysiek2 wrote:

What is your concept for detecting such a condition?

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You can use the absence of a detector violation within a certain time period.

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What concept do you have for detecting such a condition?

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You could use the absence of a detector violation within a certain time period.

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I don't know if this will pass the test.
If someone is asleep,it will identify their absence.

I support the previous speakers. Satel is enough, and the web interface to control the light is a nice fiddly thing to play with and gets boring after a year. I know from my own experience. .
Now there is a smartphone app for Integra and this will take care of the status visualisation and control.

Occupancy sensor + climate control = I would give it a go.

BK_klp wrote:

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Occupancy sensor + air-conditioning = I would give up on it.

All the more so as the savings are small. If the air-conditioning is switched off for an hour (from cooling in summer), the room heats up and when the person enters it has to use more energy to cool down to the set point again. During this time, a person sits in a hot room and is subjected to a stream of cold air, which is not healthy.

marek216 wrote:

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Lynx2 wrote:
What is your concept for detecting such a condition?


You can use the absence of a detector violation within a certain time period.

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Do you think that if someone is sleeping they don't need air conditioning ?

Rysiek2 wrote:

You think that if someone is sleeping they don't need air conditioning ?

Lynx, the author of the idea probably made the assumption that when he sleeps or just sits quietly, he doesn't move and thus sweats less .
Then there are the tajmers.
We do not know the specifics of the room and how it is used. Perhaps it is the case that someone stays there for a maximum of a few hours and such a climate control makes some sense.
Not so long ago there was a topic where the author wanted to switch off the underfloor heating when the window was opened. As far as I remember, a specialist in heating systems got involved in the discussion and explained to the author exactly what any reasonably intelligent person should feel and know, e.g. about inertia, about the fact that the best results in heating heavy buildings are obtained when we keep the temperature in them relatively constant.
No offence, but the impression, based on reading the forum topics as well as my own observations, is that this type of idea finds most interest among IT professionals who, delighted with the possibility of "digitalising" their home, completely forget about the laws of physics.

Welcome,

jann111 wrote:

Apply int-iors expanders to the bus. The load capacity of their relays will comfortably handle most loads in a lighting and roller shutter installation.

If this is to be done decently then any receivers should be controlled from external relays or contactors and not from those built into the int-iors. Obviously this requires more space in the switchgear, but then there is no problem replacing the relay if its contacts are burnt out or stuck together.

Confirmation of on/off can be realised on the auxiliary contacts of an external relay (contactor).

Regards.

suworow wrote:

Taymers are also available.

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That's right.
Ba, if one were to take such a transcendental approach there are still Tajmers and Nalysh.