video intercom automatic sliding gate and roller shutters wiring

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Colleagues help. I'm doing an installation at home and it's time for a video intercom and automatic sliding gate and here's my question. 1. what wires to use so I don't forget something. power supply control etc. Distance of the building from the gate some 30m. 2. should I power the video...

escrow · Accepted Answer

2. YKY 3x2.5 -power supply of the automat to the switchboard XzTKMX 4x2x0.8 - control of the automatic door entry system and video door entry system to the distribution board XzTKMX 2x2x0.5 - sensors on the gate posts to the automatic unit Cat.6 gel-filled twisted-pair cable videophone to TV control unit, or more precisely to switchboard (I always install a min 6U RACK cabinet) video-intercom interior panels YTDY 8x0.5 to the distribution board and additionally twisted-pair cat.6 to the TV switchboard from the switchboard to the gate and gate control buttons YTDY6x0.5 Added after 1 [minute]: . . Most manufacturers will give you a TH rail power supply with the video intercom so the safest way is to do it from the switchboard Added after 9 [minutes]: . The power supply for the roller shutters is on 4x0.75 cable, you will also need to bear in mind the return current between the roller shutters and this depends on whether you will have roller shutters with an overload switch. When supplying several roller shutters from one switch, there is the problem of 'return current' through zero. If each roller shutter will have its own control + zero cut-off then you can run a 3x1.5 cable. If you don't already know this, the safest way is to run a 4x1 cable from each roller shutter to the distribution board and in addition from each switch 8x0.5 also to the distribution board. In this way, you will have complete freedom in the connection of roller shutters from the automation of the alarm system, through dedicated control systems, to building automation systems in any configuration.

tobiasz91 · Answer

gel-filled cat.6 twisted-pair cable from the video intercom to the central TV station, or more precisely to the switcher (I always put a RACK min 6U cabinet), i.e. a twisted-pair cable from the video intercom to the switcher? And why is it ground gel?

escrow · Answer

Well, because it will be in the ground.
And you will have two possibilities.
One is a digital video intercom: xztkmx to the switchboard and from the switchboard to the inside panels. ytdy
The other is an IP video-intercom: twisted-pair cable from the outside to the switch + xztkmx power supply and twisted-pair cable from the switch to the indoor panels + ytdy power supply.

Important: do not forget the 2x0.75 cable from the outdoor panel to the electric door opener and, optionally, additionally xztkmx to the gate operator - some outdoor panels have an additional output controlling e.g. gate operator or lighting

tobiasz91 · Answer

If so, ok because I thought you were talking about an indoor video intercom:)

escrow · Answer

Anything outdoors must be in cables suitable for this, i.e. earth cables and in addition in the protective pipe arot, they can be run together in one. 30 cm above the arociet you put blue foil

tobiasz91 · Answer

the roller shutters are to be with overload protection controlled with a remote control to which you only need to supply power. That is why I thought of powering all the roller shutters in parallel with one 3x 1.5 circuit, but to do it additionally in case of ( losing ) the remote control on the switches and to each switch to lead a separate twisted pair. Only I don't know if such a connection will work properly.

escrow · Answer

All on one is a bit of a shot in the knee at possible failure, split at least into several sections.
Cheaper to go ytdy instead of twisted pair, unless the manufacturer requires twisted pair for control.

kkas12 · Answer

Please justify why there must be an arot. But several wires in one pipe is not a good solution.

tobiasz91 · Answer

No well from one it won't be a bit of a split I just mean whether I can use such a cable and whether it will work properly if I connect it like that to this type of roller shutter. The manufacturer only says about the power supply and that's it, and I want to add a twisted pair to be able to control them from the phone etc.

escrow · Answer

. ad.1 Well, because the cable xztkmx as well as the yky 3x2,5 can be damaged e.g. with a spade when digging for something else or if there is no ballast on the underside of the cable as well as on the top, stones that are placed under or above them when the ground is hardened can damage them. ad.2 The control cables and the power supply cable for the gate operator at a distance of 30 m will not affect each other too much, especially as the gate operator is approx. 500W.

kkas12 · Answer

I am not opposed to laying cables in an arroyo, but this is only because the area above them is likely to be hardened and any subsequent rebuilding or breakdown involving replacement or addition of cables is not possible without interfering with the hardening.
However, effectively such replacement or addition of more cables will make it impossible to pack them into a single pipe.
And this is, in my opinion, not a saving, but an error in art.
So arot as much as possible, but not for several cables in one pipe.

escrow · Answer

. I don't understand your philosophising, then what is the author supposed to use a separate arot for each cable? In addition, arrange each of them at a distance of min. 1 metre apart so that they do not interfere with each other? Without an arota, the cables will be exposed to damage, right from the start, e.g. from sharp edges of stones. If he lays an arota 110 or even 75 and 5 cables of 1cm diameter go into it, he will be able to add another 1cm diameter for 30 metres and without a remote control (provided, of course, that he protects the entrances with foam so that they don't get muddied up). An additional advantage of the arot is that if he forgets to lay something, he can always pull it in without interfering with the soil, e.g. with already laid paving. The only thing he would have to do would be to strip approx. 0.5m² of paving, if there is an arota finish underneath, rather than fan the soil for 30m. Of course, the ideal would be to manhole the telecoms at the ends and at 90 degree + bends, but let's not hide, not everyone can afford that. So Mr kkas12 don't lecture the wrong ideologies.

kkas12 · Answer

. Who lays cables in a trench by covering them with earth and stones? Probably only a paprok. And the adding of new cables to a pipe in which there are already other cables previously laid is a fairy tale that very often does not work in practice mate. It is easy to write about theories that are difficult to put into practice. Lay these several cables in one pipe, but leave the grommets free for the future. And don't make those remarks about me.

tobiasz91 · Answer

YKY 3x2,5 - supply of automat to switchboard
XzTKMX 4x2x0,8 - control of the automatic door entry system and video door entry system to the distribution board
XzTKMX 2x2x0.5 - sensors on the gate posts to the automatic unit
Cat.6 gel-filled twisted-pair cable videophone to TV control unit, or more precisely to switchboard (I always install a min 6U RACK cabinet)
video-intercom interior panels YTDY 8x0.5 to the distribution board and additionally twisted-pair cat.6 to the TV switchboard
from the distribution board to the gate and gate control buttons YTDY6x0.5

Wouldn't it be better to place the control panel in a fence post rather than in a distribution panel in the building? And only the power supply from the switchboard?

suworow · Answer

You are multiplying entities. Is it not possible to bring all the cables to one place and not just a little in the distributor, a little in the TV cabinet? Eventually an additional cable between the distributor and the TV box....

My fellow electrician writes about the switchboard and I am just following my colleague's example and I will be given the scolding again. Of course it was about the switchboard

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Which switchboard in the post is the colleague writing about

A precautionary one such as I would give:
For photos min 6 core cables
Or maybe the customer will come up with an idea to put a monitor right here.
Wouldn't it be simpler to give the video intercom two twisted-pair cables instead of one twisted-pair and a telecommunication cable?
kind regards

tobiasz91 · Answer

. When I say control panel I mean the sliding gate control panel. Because by placing it in the fence there will be no problem with the range of the remote control. Added after 4 [minutes]: I'd like to do this without complicating things unnecessarily or laying an unknown amount of cable as I'll have the t.v. unit in the loft so it's about 50m from the fence.

suworow · Answer

And let's say an extra 10 metres to the TV in relation to the electrical distribution board. It doesn't change much. Both IP and analogue video intercoms will work on this with possibly doubled power supply wires.
And you wanted to place the exchange in a building 50 metres from the fence. Have you counted the cross-sections of the wires supplying the motors if, for example, the customer would like to use a 24V drive?
In my opinion there are two cables from the TV. One directly under the video-intercom panel and the other from the TV - gate operator - video-intercom panel.
You need to switch to a "low-current" way of thinking about installation. As few boxes as possible, and as much wiring versatility as possible.

regards

tobiasz91 · Answer

I think I'll do it the way escrow suggested.

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