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BU-808A: How to wake up a dormant Li-ion battery?

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  • #2 17245014
    simw
    Level 27  
    Another interesting article. Thanks.
  • #3 17245097
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    Do not use this method on batteries that have dropped below 1.5V / cell
    How to check it if, as you write yourself,:
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    A dormant battery shows no voltage at its terminals
    ? ;)
  • #4 17245166
    Anonymous
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  • #5 17245409
    abdul.98
    Level 14  
    Gentlemen, I do not know how you, I only have Imax B6 (original), unfortunately it does not have the function of waking up the cells, but it successfully manages to lift the cells manually by setting the charger to the NiCd battery charging mode, the current set to 1A and charging to slightly over 3V and checking the temperature every now and then the cells do not heat up then normal charging and the lajonki lift up nicely without special chargers
  • #6 17245463
    piotr_go
    DIY electronics designer
    It should be mentioned that the most popular 18650 cells or modeling packages do not have any protection system apart from protection against overheating. We will not wake them up, because at 0V they will be dead.
    Those with added security are marked as "protected".
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    The battery is a cell + safety electronics.

    The battery is a rechargeable cell, period.

    Protected 14500 and regular 18650:
    BU-808A: How to wake up a dormant Li-ion battery?
  • #7 17245521
    abdul.98
    Level 14  
    piotr_go wrote:
    It should be mentioned that the most popular 18650 cells or modeling packages do not have any protection system apart from protection against overheating. We will not wake them up, because at 0V they will be dead.
    Those with added security are marked as "protected".
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    The battery is a cell + safety electronics.

    The battery is a rechargeable cell, period.

    Protected 14500 and regular 18650:
    BU-808A: How to wake up a dormant Li-ion battery?
    18650 maybe not to zero, but 0.1V and they get up
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  • #8 17245608
    abart64
    Level 33  
    I have a 18650 complete with a Dell package. Unfortunately, I left it for half a year, they have gone to zero and nothing can pick them up anymore. I cracked the battery, cut it into individual pieces, but each one is like a piece of wire, the short circuit is almost complete - 8A at 1V. Even one piece does not start :(
  • #9 17246070
    abdul.98
    Level 14  
    abart64 wrote:
    I have a 18650 complete with a Dell package. Unfortunately, I left it for half a year, they have gone to zero and nothing can pick them up anymore. I cracked the battery, cut it into individual pieces, but each one is like a piece of wire, the short circuit is almost complete - 8A at 1V. Even one piece does not start :(
    A colleague probably wants to lose his paws by giving 8A, I pick up the 18650 with the Imax B6 charger, I charge first as NiCd 1A until it gets 3V, checking if it does not heat up and then like a normal lajon and they rise
  • #10 17246137
    rafbid
    Level 33  
    abdul.98 wrote:
    piotr_go wrote:
    It should be mentioned that the most popular 18650 cells or modeling packages do not have any protection system except overheating protection. We will not wake them up, because at 0V they will be dead.
    Those with added security are marked as "protected".
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    The battery is a cell + safety electronics.

    The battery is a rechargeable cell, period.

    Protected 14500 and regular 18650:
    BU-808A: How to wake up a dormant Li-ion battery?
    18650 maybe not to zero, but 0.1V and they get up
    I picked up the phone battery from 0.00V, it only had overheating protection.
  • #11 17246660
    koczis_ws
    Level 27  
    You learn all your life :) . I did not know about such protection and I managed to revive the battery from the cell, which showed 0 V by accident. I wanted to measure the voltage again but I did not notice that the meter was set to ohms. The meter showed something there, but I realized my error, I switched to volts and, surprisingly, something around 3 V appeared. You can see the current from the ohmmeter revived the battery.
    After charging with a standard charger, the battery started to work normally.
  • #12 17246748
    max-bit
    Level 34  
    There are, for example, guests on ajeglo who sell such picked up akku from junk packages (mainly from laptops)
    These are generally used garbage batteries
    Recently, there has been a flock of scandals with burning garbage cans (reportedly such landfills have already recorded more than 60 fires since the beginning of the year.
    As they call it, the so-called junk mafia that brings garbage from the EU, there is nothing to do with it, a fire breaks out.
    Unfortunately, it quickly turned out that no one knows how many such dumps (because they are not registered).
    Interestingly, the reason is that so far such garbage went to, for example, China, only that the latter stopped accepting the world's garbage.

    SO we say no to all originators to pick out junk akku from packages.
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    Anonymous
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  • #14 17247535
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    The purpose of this topic is to extend the life of the battery and use its potential to its limit. I think it's better for us and the environment than throwing away and buying the next and the next and the next ...
    Rather, it is a corpse resuscitation because a properly used battery does not require magic tricks
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    Knowing that the battery will not be charged for more than 12 months, it makes sense to increase the starting charge.
    It is enough to recharge regularly once a year :)
    Situations in which the battery cannot be recharged with this frequency are an exception to the exceptions.
  • #15 17247719
    kowal011
    Level 21  
    But bullshit. The batteries from the phone can be saved more or less like this, but the 18650 from the laptop does not go to sleep ...
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  • #16 17248229
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    With this article, I'll try to wake up a few batteries that I thought were completely dead.
  • #17 17249368
    CMS
    Administrator of HydePark
    kowal011 wrote:
    but 18650 from the laptop does not go to sleep ...


    Fact. If it is not, then the link is secured. But also some 18650 0V ones can be raised.
  • #19 17249648
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    oskare2345 wrote:
    As a curiosity. Maybe risky, but as you can see it works.
    The power of the Internet and YT in particular ...
  • #20 17250010
    CMS
    Administrator of HydePark
    I did that too, but no drilling. There is something like a bimetallic fuse under the positive pole, only one time. Sometimes it is possible to save such a link by gently pressing the fuse so that it returns to its original position.
  • #21 17251881
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    In the video, YT warns a lot against wrongdoing, but you can try and the knife will work.
  • #22 17254512
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Personally, I can say that such protection can be a trap. This is because I encountered several cases, that this protection was damaged, and as a result the cell was charged above the safe voltage. This happened mainly in the batteries of the phones, which quickly became round as a result of overcharging. After checking the microscopic electronics, she was to blame for charging the Li-ion cell up to 5V.

    Recently, I have encountered such a thing in the battery from the Huawei modem.

    BU-808A: How to wake up a dormant Li-ion battery?

    A recycled battery, after 1 charge it was ok, but when discharging it showed a negligible capacity of 150 mAh, while during the 2nd charge it swelled. So play, show your kitty what's inside, check the tensions. The voltage on the cell was 4.3 V, the voltage on the electronics contacts was only 3.7 V and it did not want to go up. Checking the voltage on the cell during charging, and 5V there, I cut the cell and checked the voltage on the electronics, and there it was over 5V, even though the electronics was powered by 4.2V from the TP4056 charger module.
    The cut-off link under the charger has come to life and has a decent capacity of about 2000 mAh. As the link was a bit swollen after this one charge, I treated it a bit with a vice and despite the subsequent cycles, the hold does not swell.
    It will be used to power an oscilloscope / multimeter or other invention.

    Another note for posterity, this battery consists of 2 cells connected in parallel, probably from Nokia.


    My theory, excessive discharge during long storage of an uncharged cell can damage electronics in some models.
  • #23 17257715
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    Marek_Skalski wrote:
    Wake-up is based on applying voltage to the battery contacts while limiting the current to a small level.

    Can someone give some specific values? Although the range "from to"?
  • #24 17258101
    Anonymous
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  • #25 17258128
    E8600
    Level 41  
    I do not know if it makes sense to play with power supplies when the cheapest TP4056 charger does the trick. Initially, the cell gives a slight current of 5-10 mA, after increasing the voltage to 2.5 V, it starts charging with full power to 1A.
    I put a dozen or so cells on this charger.
  • #26 17298959
    lufex
    Level 14  
    By the way, the battery, the battery taken out of a 2-3 year old asus, so swollen that only a small needle was enough to end its life quickly.
    BU-808A: How to wake up a dormant Li-ion battery?

Topic summary

Li-ion batteries can enter a dormant state due to over-discharge, where a protective circuit disconnects the battery to prevent damage. To revive a dormant battery, specific chargers can boost the voltage to deactivate the protection system. Users discussed various methods to wake up batteries, including using chargers like the Imax B6 in NiCd mode, which can manually raise the voltage. Some users reported success in reviving 18650 cells, while others noted that batteries left at 0V may be irreparable. The discussion also highlighted the importance of proper battery management and disposal, as well as the risks associated with damaged batteries. Additionally, the use of TP4056 chargers was mentioned as an effective solution for waking dormant cells.
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