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  • Dreame V9 cordless hoover as pictured.
    Cordless handheld vacuum cleaner Dreame V9 lying on a wooden surface. .

    After a couple of years of brave work, the operating time was significantly reduced. The conclusion was obvious, the battery is coming to the end of its life, you have to think about buying a new one (a considerable expense) or buying a used one, and this is what I did to start with, possibly replacing the cells in the battery with new ones.

    The Dreame V9 vacuum cleaner battery on a wooden surface, showing its ports and connectors. .

    Having a spare battery almost as good as new in working order, I decided to replace the cells in the original one.
    I bought bargain Samsung 18650 25S (2500 mah 25A) batteries, the original ones are 18650 25R (2500 mah 20A).
    I bought 10 pcs and from these I selected 7 pcs almost identical.
    Before I started taking anything apart, I decided to check the condition of the cells in the original battery without taking them apart.
    I drilled small holes more or less opposite the cells, you can see this in the photo of the hoover.
    I thought it might be enough to align the batteries, but no. The batteries, when charged and discharged, hold the voltage to within 0.01V so this is not a problem.
    The obvious conclusion - the batteries are slowly reaching the end of their life and need to be replaced.
    I searched the internet on the subject, Dreame V9 battery replacement and repair. It turned out that the matter is not so simple. If the red LED comes on, it's over the battery (no one has overcome this yet or I haven't found it) - in my case it hasn't been that bad yet. But disconnecting the cells causes the BMS to lock up and the red diode comes on.
    It's like replacing the batteries - fooling the BMS.
    I connected for the time of replacing the original cells with new, replacement cells just to fool the BMS and keep the voltage state as if no one had interfered with the batteries.

    Dreame V9 vacuum cleaner battery on a wooden floor, showing technical details on the label. Battery and circuit board from Dreame V9 vacuum cleaner laid out on cardboard. Structure for parallel connection of battery cells on a cardboard surface. .

    This solution has a small disadvantage - another set of cells is needed, the voltages of which must be aligned with the voltages of the original cells in the battery, so as not to induce the spread of large currents during parallel connection.
    It is important that the new and reserve batteries have the same voltages as the old batteries. This seems difficult to implement, nothing could be further from the truth. Charge all batteries to 100%, leave for 24 hours and measure the voltages.
    The cells should be 4.10 - 4.15V, if this is the case you can connect in parallel, nothing will happen. If not, then you need to work on them by discharging the ones with too high a voltage a little at a time, to a maximum difference of 0.05V

    Setup of Dreame V9 battery and circuit board on cardboard. View of battery cells being replaced in the Dreame V9 vacuum cleaner.

    As you connect the reserve cells in parallel as shown in the photo, you can disconnect the original cells from the BMS - any method you like, I stripped the plates from the cells. Disassemble the basket, there are small latches but easy to unlock, replace the cells - don't confuse the +/- poles.

    Batteries and battery holder on a cardboard surface. .

    Once replaced, simply connect the new put together kit to the BMS (any method you like), weld, solder.
    Of course then remove all unnecessary wires and cells, put the whole thing back together and check if it works (CAUTION - do not make a short circuit when disassembling).


    .
    Mine works as you can see in the video.

    Cool? Ranking DIY
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    oldking
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  • #2 21246906
    Andrzej Ch.
    Level 33  
    This is a curiosity. I have an identical hoover and the batteries are already running out. Good that you described a way to cheat, the BMS is more than once I have heard that such a replacement ends up blocking the hoover.

    It would be good if someone could find a method to resuscitate the BMS after a possible failed attempt to replace the rechargeable batteries using the method described above.
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  • #3 21246943
    Dawid90u
    Level 23  
    Hi,
    And while the batteries are being replaced, wouldn't it be possible to supply voltage from a lab power supply to all the cell terminals?
  • #4 21247096
    gradek83
    Level 42  
    It's a pity you didn't write what management control system is sitting there.

    Dawid90u wrote:
    wouldn't it be possible to supply voltage from a lab power supply to all cell terminals?
    .

    This would probably need to be connected to 7 power sources.
  • #5 21247169
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    I knew the BMS could block but this idea of finding it is brilliant.
  • #6 21247258
    speedy9
    Helpful for users
    szeryf3 wrote:
    I knew the BMS could block but this idea of finding it is brilliant.
    .
    This has long been done in laptop batteries. I wonder, however, if the controller doesn't have a stored number of charge/discharge cycles and the battery "shuts down" anyway when this number is exceeded, regardless of the state of the cells. This happens in laptop batteries and you have to reset the number of cycles.
  • #7 21247343
    VPSA132
    Level 25  
    I have done and do this all the time. It works well.
  • #8 21247643
    kris1966
    Level 18  
    And can't another BMS module be used? Does he still manage something there?
  • #9 21247663
    oldking
    Level 33  
    >>21247643 .

    You can buy a new BMS on ali.... price from 130-150 zł - this one does not lock.
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  • #10 21248372
    staceygeek
    Level 10  
    >>21247643 BMS original is always best
  • #11 21248538
    speedy9
    Helpful for users
    oldking wrote:
    new BMS at ali.... price from 130-150zlce6e6c67 .
    20A BMS for £130-150? Something expensive. Not 13-15zł sometimes?
  • #12 21248570
    Andrzej Ch.
    Level 33  
    Probably a set with batteries.
    @oldking
    Can you provide a link to the auction?
    I don't know if the forum allows it, but maybe on my PW. I'll see what the wonder is for 150£.
  • #13 21248662
    elektryku5
    Level 39  
    speedy9 wrote:
    20A BMS for 130-150£? Something expensive. Not 13-15zł sometimes?
    .

    It's probably communicating with the hoover's electronics, so one for 15£ won't do much good.
  • #16 21250583
    krzbor
    Level 27  
    Have I understood this correctly - such a BMS has a processor which, when it detects that something is wrong, stores this in EEPROM or Flash and will not allow such a battery to run again?
  • #17 21250655
    oldking
    Level 33  
    >>21250583 .
    Probably yes.
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  • #18 21250666
    krzbor
    Level 27  
    Then how about finding that processor and cutting power to it, replacing the batteries and plugging in the power?
  • #19 21251279
    Tomcio ze zBrus
    Level 15  
    gradek83 wrote:
    It's a pity you didn't write what management control system is sitting there.

    Dawid90u wrote:
    wouldn't it be possible to supply voltage from a lab power supply to all cell terminals?
    .

    This would probably need to be connected to 7 power sources.


    And a workshop power supply and voltage dividers with as many resistors as there are cells won't fool the bms? Does it just check the individual voltages or does it test them somehow?
  • #20 21251320
    gulson
    System Administrator
    Thanks for sharing your account of the battery replacement. A little shocking to me is the BMS locking up.
    If you specify Parcel Post, I'll send a small gift.
  • #21 21251708
    oldking
    Level 33  
    Tomcio ze zBrus wrote:
    A workshop power supply and voltage dividers with as many resistors as there are cells will not fool the bms? Does it just check the individual voltages or does it test them somehow?
    .

    Thinking of such a solution - perhaps it would pass the test.

    Diagram of a circuit with seven resistors in series, with voltage labels 28V and 4V.

    Value of elements random.
  • #22 21253365
    Tomcio ze zBrus
    Level 15  
    Probably some tens of ohms need to be used, a 100mA power supply will probably accept.
  • #23 21253997
    speedy9
    Helpful for users
    krzbor wrote:
    It can find this processor and cut power to it, replace the batteries and connect the power?
    .
    No, cutting the power supply will just block this processor. Therefore he must be permanently connected to the cells.
  • #24 21254554
    krzbor
    Level 27  
    speedy9 wrote:
    No, cutting the power will just block that processor
    .
    So are you suggesting that the manufacturer has programmed it so that the processor can only start once? That is, the first time it starts it saves the information that it has started, and the next time it locks up? However, that would be an incredible belief that there will never be an accidental reboot.
  • #25 21254870
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    The manufacturer wanted us not to repair this type of equipment ourselves but to buy a new one.
    And thanks to this policy, I planted one battery in a hoover.
  • #26 21265475
    Andrzej Maciejewski
    Level 21  
    >>21246622 .
    I don't know if I've been lucky or if my two hoovers just have it that way.

    Nameplate of the AEG vacuum cleaner model CX7-45ANI.
    .
    One worked for 10 minutes, the other switched off after one minute.
    I replaced 5 x 18650 (equalised the voltages of the new set before connecting) BMS cables disconnected randomly.
    The first attempt at switching on after replacement had no effect, but after connecting to the charging station for say 20 minutes the restart was successful.
  • #27 21297777
    weryfany
    Level 27  
    krzbor wrote:
    speedy9 wrote:
    No, cutting off the power will just block that processor
    .
    So are you suggesting that the manufacturer has programmed it so that the processor can only boot once? That is, the first time it starts it saves the information that it has started, and the next time it locks up? However, that would be an incredible belief in never having an accidental reboot.



    But that's not news 😉 .
  • #28 21299503
    speedy9
    Helpful for users
    krzbor wrote:
    It would, however, be incredible to believe that there would never be an accidental reboot.
    .
    It's not about a reboot. It's about a power outage. Battery controllers are designed that way. They have a dedicated (or built-in) flash memory in which duty cycles, charge and discharge parameters and, among other things, power failures (disconnection of cells or their, or one of them, complete discharge) are stored in real time. In the event of a power cut, the controller will lock up and the battery will be dead. You can do nothing with it without reprogramming the memory and resetting the status.
  • #29 21299512
    krzbor
    Level 27  
    speedy9 wrote:
    They have a dedicated (or built-in) flash memory in which duty cycles, charge and discharge parameters and, among other things, power failures (disconnection of cells or their, or one of them, complete discharge) are stored in real time.
    .
    If this is the case, then I understand that all you need to do is cut the controller's power path (in which case it won't save anything, because there's no way to do it), replace the batteries and re-apply power?
  • #30 21299598
    speedy9
    Helpful for users
    krzbor wrote:
    just cut the controller power path
    .
    This is exactly what you should not do. I assure you that it saves itself such events. That's what the new cells are connected in parallel to the old ones, to bypass this "protection" by replacing the cells. And only then is the old one removed.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the battery regeneration of the Dreame V9 cordless vacuum cleaner. Users share experiences and methods for replacing the original battery cells with new Samsung 18650 25S batteries, highlighting concerns about the battery management system (BMS) potentially locking the device after a cell replacement. Suggestions include using a lab power supply to test the cells and the possibility of replacing the BMS with a new one. Participants express curiosity about the BMS's functionality, including its ability to store charge/discharge cycles and whether it can be reset. Some users report successful battery replacements, while others caution about the risks of BMS locking and the need for careful handling during the process.
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