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Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches?

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  • #1 17450802
    gsmphone
    Level 13  
    I need pushbuttons (of the bell type - that is, only normally-open, returning to the start position when the key is released) quadruple. They must fit into a normal flush-mounted box. They must not be tactile and not for KNX!!! Something like the one pictured would be nice.
    There used to be an older gentleman at a "smart home" fair who offered such (for intelligent relay installation), but I can't track him down (neither on the internet nor in the fair stand list).

    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? .
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  • #2 17453461
    gradek83
    Level 43  
    Double momentary louvre button
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? .

    CJC LISA quadruple action switch aluminium
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches?
    PRICE FROM COSMOS but you might be able to find something cheaper.

    Source .
  • #3 17453530
    gsmphone
    Level 13  
    Thanks for the reply. The one for the blinds doesn't appeal to me a bit because it does suggest that if you press it the blinds will work, so I prefer the other one you suggested.... unfortunately the price is out of space and I need a total of 5 :/.
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  • #4 17454178
    gradek83
    Level 43  
    I searched and apparently found something else like this:
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? .

    VL-W104-WC Quad switch, classic flap switch with white glass panel.

    Only they don't say anything about whether it is momentary you would have to ask.

    And such DELTA .
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? .

    description: Bus buttons of the DELTA profile programme can be used for various applications – switching and dimming of lights and control of internal and external blinds. With frame and panels for combination .


    There are also these touch but they probably won't approach you.
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  • #5 17454269
    gsmphone
    Level 13  
    Livolo have it badly constructed.... it will be hard to hit such a narrow key.

    These Siemens ones look cool.... only knowing Siemens they will be very expensive, moreover I have not found a distribution.
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  • #6 17454385
    gradek83
    Level 43  
    gsmphone wrote:
    Siemens these are going to be very expensive, by the way I have not found distribution.

    Well also the price from space you can see this market with such a momentary button option is poor and manufacturers set prices from space.

    On alledrogo I found something like this, I do not know if it would be possible to adapt it to your needs, but I see that the price is satisfactory.

    WIRELESS 4 CHANNEL SWITCH + REMOTE CONTROL - LD22

    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches?

    and

    Wireless Quadruple Bell Button 300 M
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? .

    Only I don't know if it's not just for plaster.
  • #7 17455216
    gsmphone
    Level 13  
    gradek83 wrote:
    gsmphone wrote:
    Siemens these will be very expensive, by the way I have not found distribution.

    Well also the price from space you can see this market with such a momentary button option is poor and manufacturers set prices from space.

    On alledrogo I found something like this, I do not know if it would be possible to adapt it to your needs, but I see that the price is satisfactory.

    WIRELESS 4 CHANNEL SWITCH + REMOTE CONTROL - LD22

    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches?

    and

    Wireless Quadruple Bell Button 300 M
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? .

    I just don't know if it's not just for plaster.


    The first one is tactile and unfortunately it's just an ordinary switch that can't be used as a bell switch. The second one is actually a bell switch, but it's ugly and it's battery-operated and I already have cables running through the house.
  • #10 17456996
    gradek83
    Level 43  
    gsmphone wrote:
    Now even as I calculated I need 6 buttons in one frame.
    .
    I don't know if you can find one maybe it would be possible to convert an ordinary one like this and hook 6 momentaries under it.
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches?
    LINK .
    Or something from this .
    CD-500 .

    Or get a stonemason to cut 6 holes with a water jet cutter or whatever it is called for these contactors momentary and you will have an original universal for your own switches.
    Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? Where can I find quadruple, bell-type, non-touch switches? .

    https://amled.pl/pl/searchquery/dzwonkowy/1/phot/5?url=dzwonkowy
    Or you convert some ready-made bell button INOX drill a few holes and you can do that too.
  • #11 17459074
    w_szymek
    Level 12  
    I have one made of Plexiglas. Four momentary switches, something like the above fits. No more than that. If you want 6, it's probably only touch-sensitive. E.g. www.dotykowy.eu
  • #12 20387118
    evlo2
    Level 6  
    So far I only found BERKER 535034 04 but it is terrible quality and "sticking" (as I kinda expected of made in germany product) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znkcClWctSw

    Is there now something similar or same from ospel (ideally as I like their 2 socket that goes into frame system) or maybe simon kontakt? I just can't find anything

    There is simon dew4, but it seems rather weird that is "electronic", dunno how that works.


    maybe this one https://www.karlik.pl/en/products/DWP-10_11/category/DE-switches/ ?? Sadly can't find any schematic for it etc.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion focuses on sourcing quadruple bell-type pushbutton switches that are normally open, momentary (returning to the start position upon release), non-tactile, and suitable for installation in standard flush-mounted boxes. Various options and brands were considered, including CJC LISA quadruple action switches, VL-W104-WC quad switches with white glass panels, and DELTA bus buttons designed for lighting and blind control. Wireless 4-channel switches and battery-operated bell buttons were mentioned but found unsuitable due to tactile operation or power source constraints. Alternatives include custom modifications such as combining multiple momentary switches under a single frame or fabricating custom panels with multiple holes for individual switches. Plexiglas-made quadruple momentary switches and touch-sensitive options were also noted, though touch types were generally rejected. More recent findings include the BERKER 535034 04 model, criticized for poor quality and sticking issues, and inquiries about similar products from Ospel, Simon Kontakt, Simon DEW4 (electronic type), and Karlik DWP-10_11, though detailed schematics were unavailable. The market for such specialized quadruple bell switches is limited, with high prices and scarce availability, prompting suggestions for custom solutions or adaptations of existing products.

FAQ

TL;DR: Quadruple bell-type wall switches exist, but selection is thin; wireless quads advertise 300 m range, and “the market with such a momentary button option is poor and manufacturers set prices from space.” [Elektroda, gradek83, post #17454385]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps homeowners and integrators find non-touch, normally-open, momentary multi-key switches that fit standard flush installations without KNX.

Quick Facts

What exactly is a “quadruple, bell-type, non-touch” switch?

It’s a four-key wall control with normally-open contacts that spring back when released. It’s mechanical (non-touch) and intended for flush mounting. The request excludes tactile/capacitive touch panels and KNX bus keypads. This style works well with intelligent relay installations that expect momentary inputs. [Elektroda, gsmphone, post #17450802]

Which models in this thread match a true quad momentary?

A confirmed example is the quadruple “przycisk zwierny” in the B.kwadrat/B.3/B.7 series, shared with a video showing its operation. It provides four momentary keys in a single frame. Check finish and frame compatibility within the same program family before ordering. [Elektroda, mawerix123, post #17455269]

Is the VL‑W104‑WC glass panel actually momentary?

It’s listed as a “quad switch,” but the momentary function isn’t stated. The advice here is to request confirmation and a datasheet from the seller before buying. As one expert put it, “you would have to ask.” [Elektroda, gradek83, post #17454178]

Are Siemens DELTA bus buttons suitable if I don’t want KNX/touch?

DELTA profile bus buttons are presented for switching, dimming, and blind control with combination frames. They are bus-type devices, so confirm electrical compatibility with your system if you require simple dry-contact momentary inputs. Verify price and local distribution before committing. [Elektroda, gradek83, post #17454178]

Are shutter-labeled double buttons okay for general use?

They can function, but the shutter iconography may confuse users. In this thread, the louvre/blind double momentary option was rejected because it suggests controlling blinds rather than general scenes or lights. Consider neutral icon caps to avoid mismatched expectations. [Elektroda, gsmphone, post #17453530]

Can I use wireless quads if my home is already wired?

You can, but the OP avoided them due to batteries and aesthetics. One wireless quad bell panel is battery-powered, while a 4‑channel LD22 set was a latching switch, not a bell-type. Wired momentary inputs suit pre-run cabling and avoid battery maintenance. [Elektroda, gsmphone, post #17455216]

Why are quad momentary wall switches expensive and rare?

Niche demand reduces competition and keeps prices high. As an expert noted, “the market with such a momentary button option is poor and manufacturers set prices from space.” Designer lines add cost for materials and aesthetics. Expect limited availability and higher pricing. [Elektroda, gradek83, post #17454385]

I need six buttons in one frame — is that realistic?

One user asked for six, but feedback indicates four momentary keys is the practical mechanical limit for a standard frame. Six-key mechanical layouts usually require custom work or moving to touch/capacitive panels that multiplex inputs. [Elektroda, w_szymek, post #17459074]

Any DIY/custom approach to get 6 physical buttons?

Yes. One approach is adapting a blank plate and installing six panel-mount momentary pushbuttons. A fabricator can water‑jet cut precise holes. You can use illuminated INOX bell buttons for clarity. Ensure depth and wiring clearances within the flush box. [Elektroda, gradek83, post #17456996]

Can LD22 or similar 4‑channel wireless be used as a bell switch?

No, not as‑is. The LD22 example is a latching switch rather than a momentary bell‑type. Another wireless quad is momentary but battery-powered, which the OP rejected due to existing wiring. Choose true momentary, wired modules for bell input logic. [Elektroda, gsmphone, post #17455216]

Where can I see a working demo of a quad momentary?

A video linked in the thread demonstrates the operation of a quadruple momentary module from the B.kwadrat/B.3/B.7 family. Watching it helps confirm the travel, return action, and user interaction before purchase. [Elektroda, mawerix123, post #17455269]

Any brands to avoid or watch for quality issues?

One user reported BERKER 535034 04 as poor quality with “sticking.” Test samples if possible, and confirm return policies. Edge case: sticky keys can mis‑trigger scenes and frustrate users. [Elektroda, evlo2, post #20387118]

Do Karlik DWP‑10/11 or Simon DEW4 have bell‑type modules?

The thread raises these options but lacks schematics or confirmation. Simon DEW4 is described as “electronic,” which leaves behavior unclear for dry‑contact bell usage. Request datasheets or wiring diagrams from the manufacturers before deciding. [Elektroda, evlo2, post #20387118]

How do I verify “momentary” before I buy?

Follow this quick check:
  1. Look for terms like “momentary,” “bell,” or “NO” on the product page.
  2. Ask the seller for a datasheet confirming spring‑return behavior.
  3. Bench‑test continuity to confirm normally‑open contacts that break on release. [Elektroda, gradek83, post #17454178]

I need multiple units — any planning tip?

Costs multiply quickly when buying several. One user needed five total units, which made premium options impractical. Plan scenes and circuit groups to minimize wall clutter, and standardize on one frame system to streamline purchasing. [Elektroda, gsmphone, post #17453530]
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