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  • QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram
    Hello my dears. .
    I will test and take apart here the qTouch WiFi/RF433 light switch, which is distinguished from other products of this type by the fact that it only plugs into the L wire, meaning that it will work even if we don't have an N led to the box.
    I will test this switch with the eWeLink application, but then I will also upload Tasmota to it and show its pin configuration so that we can use it with our own software.
    Finally, I will draw a diagram of it.
    It will be interesting because this switch, unlike the previously reviewed products, is realised on a triac and not on a relay.

    Related topics .
    I have already written several topics on WiFi-based ESP products. I mainly show the interiors there.
    I also describe there the process of programming such a switch and using it with a manufacturer's app (Blitzwolf, SmartLife, Tuya, eWeLink) or Tasmota.
    I recommend that you familiarise yourself with these topics, I won't repeat all the information several times and they generally apply to all such products.
    List below:
    - BW-LT30 i.e. WiFi adapter for bulb - test, teardown and ESP firmware upload .
    - WiFi-controlled electrical socket - BW-SHP8 - commissioning and testing
    - Test and interior of the BW-SS3, a WiFi controlled light switch from Blitzwolf .
    - Socket/plug with WiFi PS-16-M and eWeLink/Coolkit app - test and teardown
    - SmartLife switch - test, teardown and programming of light switch on WiFi (similar switch but without RF and description of programming it in Arduino via cables)
    - The SC3-01 SmartLife switch and ESP firmware upload via WIFI (tuya-convert/OTA) (this time programming via WiFi, no need to open the case, no soldering of cables)
    In addition, a second topic on Tasmota:
    - ESP8266 and Tasmota - WiFi relay control step by step .
    In addition, I recommend a topic about Home Assistant (which can control a collection of such devices):
    Home Assistant tutorial - configuration, WiFi, MQTT, Zigbee, Tasmota .


    Purchase qTouch .
    The product can be purchased in Poland on various mail order portals under the heading Touch Light Switch Single Glass WIFI . The product comes in two colours (black and white) and in three combinations (one button, two, three):
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Product code: QWP.W1.WIFI-TOUCH
    The vendor states the following parameters:
    Quote:
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    Technical data:
    Number of buttons: 1,
    Material: Glass panel / plastic
    Voltage: 230V AC,
    Energy consumption: 0,02W
    Frequency: 50/60 Hz,
    Panel dimensions: 86x86x9 mm,
    Load power: 3-300W / button (100W for LED),
    Relative humidity: 10%-93% (non-condensed),
    Endurance: 100,000 cyl,
    Protection class: IP45,
    Net weight: 124 g
    Certifications: CE, ROHS.
    Minimum load per circuit of touch switches is 3W.
    .
    Mounting of the switch is possible in a standard 60mm box.
    Installation instructions from the seller:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Most interesting, however, is its electrical connection:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Unlike the ones I have tested before, the switch does not require the N wire to be connected, it just plugs into the L. The mysterious 'adapter' in the graphic above is obviously a capacitor (I don't know why the seller calls it that), but details later.


    The contents of the kit, first impression .
    There was no problem with shipping, as I ordered from Poland. In addition to this switch I bought several other things, the whole set came:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    The protagonist of the subject was in a sturdy hard cardboard box:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    On the packaging is a QR code to download the app:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Kit contents:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Instructions:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram
    MPX 0.33uF CHAMPION X2 capacitor, so called by the seller "adapter":
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    That's what you get in the kit, there are also two fixing screws, that's a nice addition too. Time to test how it works.

    First run .
    I connected everything as shown in the photo, the 'adapter' in parallel with the bulb.
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    ("adapter" can be at the lamp near the ceiling, it does not have to be in the box next to the switch, anyway the whole idea of this switch is that if someone does not have N in the box they can use it)
    The button reacts to touch:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .

    Pairing with RF433 remote .
    The RF remote control is a nice bonus quite independent of WiFi. The remote is programmable, it can learn the codes of four different switches.
    You can of course also have two remotes paired to one switch, or one remote for each household member.
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Pairing is very simple - hold down the touch button on the light switch until it beeps, then press the button on the remote control. Done.
    A test of two remote controls:


    .
    Everything works, it's already comfortable, and we haven't started the WiFi topic yet.

    Pairing with the phone app via WiFi .
    I have described the eWeLink app and similar ones on several occasions. Here I will just write that after installing the app you enter pairing (normal mode) and reset the switch:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    After confirming "Confirm the indicator is blinking rapidly" you click "Next" and The phone searches for the device:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    After a while it is found:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    After pairing you have to wait a few moments:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    and from that moment the device is in the list (you can assign it to rooms, create automations):
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    And, of course, turn the lights on remotely:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .


    Teardown .
    Now it's time to look inside, to determine what WiFi module is at the heart of the product and whether you can possibly upload your own firmware to it.
    The front panel is held on by clips, undermined with a screwdriver:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    There are two plates inside. The first one can be easily removed:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    We will look at each of them.

    The WiFi board .
    The first board contains circuits powered by a low voltage, about 5V from the second board.
    Here we see the touch button and space for two more (all three versions of the switch use the same board):
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    In the photo above you can see one antenna on the PCB (from the track).
    The underside of the board:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    You can see here the second antenna on the PCB, also from the path. One antenna is from WiFi, the other from RF433.
    You can see the main microcontroller and WiFi chip at the same time - the famous ESP8285 along with the 26MHz quartz resonator:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    The ESP8285 is essentially an ESP8266 but with integrated 1MB Flash memory in DOUT mode. So while normally with the ESP8266 we have a separate Flash bone, here everything is in one housing.
    So you can easily upload your own batch and program this chip.
    Next to it, we see a buzzer and an IC in SOIC/SSOP from RF433 (the buzzer gives a signal when we pair the switch with the remote control). I've analysed a similar circuit before, and as far as I know the circuit from RF433 is connected to the ESP lead that goes to the touch button. The RF433 chip observes if the button is pressed for a long time and then activates the pairing mode. The RF433 chip also responds to the remote control, in which case it short-circuits the aforementioned line to ground and simulates the touch button press itself in this way.
    So basically, the ESP8266 (or 8285) "does not know" that it is working with the RF433 chip. A very convenient solution.
    Now let's take a look at this section:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Here is first of all the LDO AMS1117 3.3V regulator, it provides a stable 3.3V for the rest of the circuit. There is probably some 5V going to this board from the other module. There is a large chip (unsigned) that handles the touch buttons, and there is an ATMEL2YH 24C02N memory die:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    We also have transistors there (J3Y, or S8050), which are used to switch the light on/off, but this time not via a relay but via a triac (but more on that later).
    There is also a connector for programming:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .

    Programming and Tasmota .
    Now we will try to upload Tasmota, the open source software for this type of switch, onto this ESP.
    I have traced the pin connections:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Before any operation on the switch, disconnect it from the mains!!! .
    Programming is done here via the UART, according to this diagram which I have already drawn on the forum some time ago:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    (you will find details of the programming in related topics in this series)
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    On the computer side, I used the python script esptool.py which I installed with the ESP8266 support package for Arduino.
    The command esptool.py chip_id to check if the programmer can see the ESP:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Command esptool.py read_flash 0x00000000 0x100000 QTouch-20210105.bin to rip the current batch from the ESP to the computer (backup):
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    But at first I had a problem there, there was an error 'Failed to write to target RAM (result was 0107) and the solution was to unplug the GPIO from ground:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Command esptool.py write_flash 0x0 tasmota.bin to upload the Tasmota batch:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Firmware uploaded. Then the standard (described in previous topics in the series) procedure, Access Point Tasmota:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    And a pleasant surprise - everything works straight away:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Pin configuration (D6 - relay, D7 - LED, D3 - button):
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Everything works and at this stage I will finish playing with Tasmota for this device. Of course you can then connect Home Assistant, MQTT, but that is beyond the scope of this topic.
    I'll still just point out that of course the RF remote continues to work after the firmware change (for reasons discussed earlier), by the way, take a look:


    .

    Look at the second board .
    Finally, the most interesting part. We'll take a look at the second board from the device, the one that is connected to the network, and try to understand how it all works.
    To start with - pictures:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram
    817C, PC817C, optocoupler, schottky SS26 in background:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    MB6S rectifier bridge, BTA16-600B triac:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Yes, this circuit is realised on a triac! Zero relays. This is a big change from what I previously reviewed.
    The triac used is a BT16-600B:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    It is controlled by a MOC3063 optotriac:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Unfortunately at first glance it can be difficult to tell how it works, so I took the liberty of soldering out some of the components:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram
    By the way, three capacitors of 1000uF each? That much? That will become clear later.
    Soldered out:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Close-ups:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    In the end it wasn't enough for me anyway, I was interested in the transformer So I also soldered it out and dissected it:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Soldering out additional components to trace the paths:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    The transformer is generally difficult to open, it is glued together. My way of doing this is to boil it, gradually heating it in water. This helps to remove the glue:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Transformer section:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    I don't see that it has a core break:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Unwinding:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    The number of windings and their configuration I counted and wrote down.
    The primary winding 174 windings, the other two 22 windings each.

    Schematic of the second board .
    Eventually I managed to draw a schematic of the circuit. I also helped myself by describing the board in pictures:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    And the result of the work - the schematic (the schematic also shows the "adapter" and the bulb, there is no board from WiFi because we know how it works):
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    In my opinion it works more or less like this (if anyone has anything to add, feel free).
    There are two modes of operation.
    The "lights out" mode - then the circuit feeds the top power supply, this flyback with transformer, realised on a single small transistor in a SOT-23 case with SMD code 8D (in the schematic it is BC547, but this is MJE13001, 0.2A/400V) with coupling on a PC817 optocoupler. It can only work because very little current flows through the circuit (through the 'adapter' and the bulb), this power supply connected normally to the mains would not work. This power supply charges electrolytic capacitors, there are as many as 3 x 1000uF, this is indeed a lot, but for good reason. This allows the WiFi module to work and turn on the triac if it needs to.
    Mode "light on" - this is when the ESP8285, via the transistor and MOC3063, turns on the triac, i.e. short-circuits the inputs of the "top" power supply circuit. The triac must be constantly on, because when the current drops it shuts down (I assume the reader knows how the triac works). The top power supply stops working, but the circuit continues to be powered because we also have a 'bottom power supply'. This bottom power supply is just a rectifier bridge, a 1N4007 diode and immediately behind it there are already capacitors for 16V. This is because the BTA16 triac is switched on here with some delay, but the delay is not the responsibility of the ESP, the ESP "doesn't know" about the delay, but the components behind the MOC3063, these two diodes connected by cathodes, probably Zener diodes. The voltage from the mains is, of course, a sine wave, and the triac switches on a moment after the start of the rise cycle, when the voltage only reaches a few volts (that is, the breakdown voltage of the Zener diodes connected by cathodes). And for this short start of the cycle when the triac is off (but the MOC3063 is conducting), the lower power supply charges the capacitors with this low voltage (that's why there are as many as 3000uF), and then the triac turns on and lights the lamp (the lamp doesn't feel that it has cut a short part of the cycle from the sine wave).
    Those 3000uF are there to provide the module from WiFi with continuous power, even though the capacitors themselves are charged a little at a time.

    In my opinion, this is how the circuit works, if someone has something to add then feel free to do so, the top power supply could also be discussed in more detail (the number of windings is marked, there is a third winding in addition to the primary and secondary windings), but this is no longer relevant to the idea of the circuit itself.

    Catalogue notes of the more interesting components:
    bta16.pdf Download (226.74 kB) .
    MOC306..pdf Download (190.41 kB) .

    Additional - RF433 remote control interior .
    Still, let's take a look at what kind of RF433 remotes this seller had (there are different ones in circulation):
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    The remote control is powered by a 27A 12V battery:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Interior:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    The pilot is realised on an EV1527 1962P:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    It is an OTP chip manufactured by Sunrom using CMOS technology:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    There is a diagram of an example application in its catalogue note:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    Full note:
    EV1527.pdf Download (85.64 kB) .

    Summary .
    The qTouch switch works with the eWeLink app, but can also be used with Tasmota and Home Assistant. Inside sits an ESP8285, which can be easily programmed.
    This switch can be easily paired with several RF remotes so that each household member has their own remote. The RF remotes work even after changing the firmware on the ESP8285 to your own.
    On the switching side, the qTouch switch is done unusually, as it is on a triac rather than a relay. I drew the schematic and posted it earlier.
    The switch is also distinctive in that it simply plugs into the L line (in series with the bulb) and this can be useful when you don't have an N in the box, although there is no such situation at my house.
    Have any of you perhaps used this type of WiFi switch and indeed do not have the N plugged into the box? .
    PS: Of course the triac board has been quite disassembled to take pictures and the transformer section, I don't intend to solder it back, but the parts will come in handy and the WiFi + RF433 board will be used separately, I will give a small 5V power supply, a relay and everything will run with Tasmota.

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  • #2 19358983
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  • #3 19359157
    metalMANiu
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    If I understand correctly, this 'adapter' allows the switch to be powered when the lamps are underpowered. Then this "adapter" allows a certain small capacitive current to flow necessary for the switch to work.
    Am I wrong?
  • #4 19359338
    p.kaczmarek2
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    spec220 wrote:
    Hello
    Is this transistor definitely a BC547 ?
    .

    Thanks for your vigilance. The transistor from this inverter can be seen in the pictures and is code D8. It is not likely to be a BC547 (or thereabouts its surface-mounted equivalent BC847). I'll do some more searching to see what it might be and update the topic.

    metalMANiu wrote:
    this "adapter"
    .
    I think so too, only in addition this small current without it flowing through the lamp could cause it to glow or flicker, as the seller himself points out:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
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    p.kaczmarek2
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    spec220 wrote:
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    The transistor from this inverter can be seen in the photos and is code D8
    .
    It looks like a colleague is looking for the wrong code, as 8D is visible in the photo

    No no, the search was ok, just a typo while writing the post just after Easter breakfast

    spec220 wrote:

    Just out of curiosity, I'd also measure the component with a meter directly on the PCB (in the current configuration there should be no problem with the measurement), and make sure it's definitely an NPN transistor....
    .
    AND it's not a problem as long as I have the pcb to hand:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    behaves like an NPN, maybe tomorrow I'll find a moment, solder it out and check it with a transistor tester and see what it shows.

    spec220 wrote:
    .
    Mostly the trafo was keyed by some driver or switch type TOP221 or something similar. Also three leads except that the casing is different. (The rest is a matter of miniaturisation and stuffing something into a SOT23 housing)

    I have not seen a driver in an enclosure like this either
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    This measurement was also taken, of course.

    Now I've finally had time to sit down quietly to do this, and I can say that it's more like a MJE13001 13001 8D 0.2A/400V SOT23.
    The SMD code agrees.
    The voltage agrees.
    The tester shows a gain:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    and it too agrees with the note:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .

    And an additional web search even finds some schematics of simple power supplies on it, you can compare with what I have at your leisure:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
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  • #9 19361351
    Elmo_pf
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    The biggest problem I see with equipment from China is that it does not fit P&P into the standard installation boxes used in Poland.
    Can a colleague share his knowledge as to how in this case? Does the described device fit into a standard fi60 box?
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  • #11 19362105
    p.kaczmarek2
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    Elmo_pf wrote:
    The biggest problem I see with the equipment from China is that it does not fit P&P into the standard installation boxes used in Poland.
    Can a colleague share his knowledge of how this is the case? Does the described device fit into a standard fi60 box?
    .
    There is no problem with this. I've bought switches from various manufacturers (you have a list of topic-reviews in the first post) and as far as I can see they are standardised.
    And if you have concerns, the way is simple - you look at the dimensions given by the seller, if he doesn't give them, you don't buy.
    As for the product from the topic:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .


    spec220 wrote:
    The only thing to bear in mind is that such a connector should not be regarded as a guaranteed break in an electrical circuit.
    Greetings.
    .
    in my opinion no switch should be considered a "guaranteed break in an electrical circuit", safety should come first
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  • #13 19362201
    klamocik
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    And I thought THEY were ahead, and look at this: in order to make it work, a capacitor is needed to power a 10 W LED bulb, and when it turns on, it only uses the drop on the triac, not stupid at all, but a Pole won't invent it.
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  • #15 19362300
    klamocik
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    spec220 wrote:
    klamocik wrote:
    And I thought that THEY were ahead and here look to work it is a capacitor which will power a 10 W diode and already if it turns on it will use only the drop on the triac, all in all not stupid but a Pole will not invent.
    .

    I think a colleague has a poor appreciation of Poles...
    I only appreciate myself;. Those. who do not value.

    Added after 21 [minutes]: .

    I remember when they switched on the transformer, there were no meters, everyone paid 10 zł for two months when they put it on, it came out to a nozzle per number, so energy prices used to be 1% today 10 and that is why it is not just a coincidence that we have 10 consumers and we do not even know about them. how much do they roar on standby.
  • #16 19362535
    krisRaba
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    klamocik wrote:
    but a polak won't make it up

    eh, silly talk again.... :|
    https://biznes.interia.pl/gospodarka/news-w-p...-jednosilnikowy-odrzutowiec-na-sw,nId,5145326
    You have a rather poor idea of what a Pole can come up with, and there are many people who are highly regarded in this regard. The problem is rather with the commercialisation of ideas or subsidising further research into an idea, hence unfortunately the Pole thinks, but often for foreign capital :roll: .
  • #17 19372637
    weryfany
    Level 27  
    Hello, I have 2 single (kitchen and bathroom) and 2 double switches (small room and large room) installed in my flat
    The switches were bought in 2019. The first double switch broke after initial disassembly I noticed that there is a thyristor on L1 and an optocoupler on L2 (although the pcb shows a painting that there should still be a thyristor in L2. It had been over 5 months since I bought it from China - it was impossible to open the dispute etc.
    I bought another 2 switches from the same seller with the idea that I would check and start/open a dispute.
    The switches arrived after 3 weeks, I opened them and what my surprise there are 2 thyristors.... gee what a thrifty batch it must have been the previous time.
    My block of flats is 1955 and the L wire only electrical system works perfectly with led bulbs when plugging in that strangely named adapter of yours (CONDENSATOR)

    I paid something around 9-10$ a piece with a built-in WI-Fi module control from the Ewelink app
    As for safety ... these are no longer the days of mechanics but electronics.

    Without a capacitor, switches operate very randomly and unstably.
    But I remember in the beginning when the switches turned on the light by themselves I checked several times each for their correct connection. After 3 days it stopped and they still work correctly today.

    No one mentioned but in the Ewelink app you can go into the LOGI and check when it was on/off. You can create dependency loops and timers (auto on/off)
    Overall this was my best purchase I have made with switches.

    Greetings ;D
  • #18 19419262
    pawel26021995
    Level 12  
    Hello, I also use these Chinese light switches, most of them have similar electronics, I will leave pictures of two of them for your perusal, the remote control is the same but you can also connect another remote control e.g. from a 433MHz LED RGB driver and it works without problems.

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  • #19 19490623
    robig
    Level 23  
    Hello!

    An hour ago in a double Qtouch switch I blew a 10u/400V capacitor behind the bridge. The load was two LED lights of 3W on one branch and two LED lights of about 7W on the other, so almost nothing. It worked for about two months. I still have some of these at home and wonder how often I will have to resuscitate them....
    How are colleagues with the durability of these switches, was I unlucky or unfortunately the norm?
  • #20 19491352
    krisRaba
    Level 31  
    400V isn't much of a stick in such a small enclosure. Probably crap quality capacitors, and they're still connected to the power supply, as far as the eye can see he's at the input of the inverter powering the module electronics. Not likely to have anything to do with the output load.

    2 months is say 61 days * 24h = 1464h.
    It is possible to buy capacitors with a claimed service life of 2000h, and relatively branded ones at that.
    And total crap, it is not known how much it has a declared ;-) .

    Put in something better, with a long life and see how long it lasts....
  • #21 19491715
    Przemek7
    Level 19  
    2000 h working time of a (branded) capacitor? So every three months capacitors would have to be replaced? ;) 2000 ok but under limiting conditions - still 105'C.

    I would replace in all modules the 10 uF/400V capacitors and the "famous" ChongX (green) with Low ESR Nichicon, Panasonic, Vishay. You can forget about the hardware for 10 years.
  • #22 19491748
    robig
    Level 23  
    Those 300 volts behind the bridge don't blow, but it's already splashed into this budget piece of crap 😀 Working time calculations vs. manufacturer's declarations, OK, well, you know who's counting at the majors, but if it's going to sit in the wall, I'll pay a dollar or two more for better components, as long as I don't have to rummage through it with a soldering iron every few months.
    And there are definitely more viable electrolytes in the trade already for not much money.
  • #23 19491758
    kkknc
    Level 43  
    Kalisz time ago a colleague fitted one for himself. Quite quickly the status LEDs burned out. And they were no longer visible.
  • #24 19491904
    krisRaba
    Level 31  
    Przemek7 wrote:
    2000 hr working time for a (branded) capacitor? So every three months capacitors would need to be replaced? ;) 2000 ok but under limiting conditions - still 105'C.
    .
    Probably more like 85 for most...

    Well, when I wrote about "branded", I meant more those under which someone is no longer ashamed to sign and if they already give some data, they somehow stick to it. Because from the typical top shelf I haven't seen such short times.

    As for the temperature, you are right, whereas look at this board.... No-name crap capacitor, next to probably a triac, some bridge etc. All enclosed in a cramped doped case with no ventilation.
    And still 100% power on 100% of the time.
    As for me it's such a good working conditions for an electrolyte ;-) .

    Unfortunately the typical lower end saves a lot on capacitors.
    Similarly, in many circuits with transformerless power supplies, such as dog-socket timers, it is the capacitor doing the divider that falls. You'd think that 3£, they could have spared on a better one.... But since the finished product in the shop can cost 30zl... It's probably a set of components that costs under 10zł ;-) .
  • #25 19526570
    kasjo
    Level 26  
    A colleague bought such switches for his holiday home and after more than six months they are all working. The only problem with them was that before installing them, the two modules had to be disconnected and the soldering of the connector connecting the two boards had to be checked, as it looked like they were out of alignment and when assembling them in China someone did it "on the sly" and more than half of them had the connector broken off. Improving the soldering fixed the issue.
    His brother-in-law also bought himself such a switch and, since he lacks electrical knowledge, sparks went out of the switch (I suspect he connected it to an N switch).
    The triac, optotriac, bridge, resistor and both diodes were hit.
    Maybe someone has an idea of what diodes to put in there? (I'm talking about D4 and D5)
  • #26 19557924
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    Sorry for the late reply, but time is short and also I don't always know where the rest of the reviewed products are. But I did measure one of those D5/D4 diodes, it's a 6.8V Zener diode:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    (you can't see it on the photo but I measure it with a resistor of course, there is a lot of information on the web on how to measure zener voltage)
    If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask, also if anyone has an eye on a product worth reviewing, such as the one in the topic (or something smart home/iot/itp in general), I also accept applications on PW

    EDIT: by the way @kasjo wrote me on PW that he measured 6.4V on C7 in a working switch, so it all adds up.
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  • #27 19634780
    Karpov
    Level 11  
    @p.kaczmarek2

    I'm struggling with exactly the same switch.
    Did it also go like a nosebleed when ripping the softwares for you?
    Below the status after approx. 15 minutes 8-O .

    What can
    Quote:
    Stub is already running. No upload is necessary.
    Your screen does not show this

    C:\Users\zw_admTAL>esptool.py read_flash 0x00000000 0x10000000 QTouch_211001.bin
    esptool.py v3.1
    Found 3 serial ports
    Serial port COM5
    Connecting...
    Detecting chip type... ESP8266
    Chip is ESP8285N08
    Features: WiFi, Embedded Flash
    Crystal is 26MHz
    MAC: 2c:f4:32:a9:01:64
    Stub is already running. No upload is necessary.
    14794752 (5 %)
  • #28 19634976
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    Karpov wrote:

    Did it also go like a nosebleed when ripping the softwares for you?
    Below the status after about 15 minutes 8-O


    My memory is quite unreliable but you have the answer in the screenshots alone in the first post - ripping the batch 95.3 seconds (88.0 kbit/s) , uploading the new batch 38.4 seconds (effective 128.0 kbit/s) .

    As for the stub, I haven't seen this error before, it was already there on the first attempt to rip? Have you tried using the --no-stub switch ?

    By the way, ESP8285N08, not ESP8285 ? In my case it displayed without N08, but that just tells you the size of the memory:
    QTouch WiFi switch plugged into L cable only - test, interior, diagram .
    But maybe it's a matter of esptool version, I was using 2.8 and you have 3.1....

    Is that what you did with the GPIO disconnect?

    You might want to try an older esptool as a general rule, I'm attaching the ones from me, 2.8, I hope everything you need is there....

    And no, wait, there is a typo in the amount of memory to rip. 0x10000000 (268MB!) is obviously too much. Try 0x100000 .
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #29 19635593
    Karpov
    Level 11  
    @p.kaczmarek2

    Thanks for the hint :) now I see it ...indeed the range exaggerated. I'll check this clue for the next switches to be converted (I'm switching to Tasmota)


    By the way. When buying the switch(s) without the N I did not take one thing into account - for it to work it MUST be loaded. From the seller -.
    Minimum load per circuit of touch switches is 3W .
    Some of the touch switches I already have in the house "hang in the air", but they have an N terminal. Their resultant action is realised by logic in OPENHAB e.g. triggering specific light scenes.

    In this particular case, the single touch switch is to act as the main lighting switch for the whole house. That is, another switch "hanging in the air". And now the question is how to get around this?

    Greetings
  • #30 19665458
    solder2112
    Level 8  
    Hi. I recently purchased exactly the same light switch and while everything works fine, when switching on the capacitor ( adapter ) starts to buzz quite a bit, after a while the buzzing quiets down slightly but is still audible, the capacitor is plugged in at the chandelier, nowhere that I know of anyone having a similar problem.

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the QTouch WiFi/RF433 light switch, notable for operating solely on the live (L) wire without requiring a neutral (N) wire, enabling compatibility with older electrical installations. The switch uses a triac-based design rather than a relay, with an internal self-excited inverter powered by a transistor identified as an MJE13001 (SOT23 package), responsible for powering the module electronics. A small capacitive adapter ("capacitor") is often required at the lamp to provide minimal current for switch operation, especially with LED bulbs, though it can cause audible buzzing. The switch supports control via the eWeLink app and can be reflashed with Tasmota firmware for custom integration; however, Tasmota configuration requires specific GPIO templates, with community-shared templates for single and dual button versions. Issues discussed include capacitor failures (notably 10µF/400V electrolytics of questionable quality), LED flickering, and occasional spontaneous activation of the touch sensor, which may be mitigated by firmware settings such as SetOption13 (instant touch response) and DynamicSleep. The internal buzzer is linked to RF remote pairing and is not controllable via WiFi or Tasmota. Physical compatibility with standard installation boxes is generally confirmed, but soldering defects in connectors have been reported. Users emphasize verifying product versions (WiFi only vs. WiFi+RF) and the presence of required accessories before purchase. Troubleshooting tips include checking capacitor quality, verifying firmware settings, and swapping touch plates to diagnose sensor issues. The switch’s triac-based design means it does not provide a guaranteed physical break in the circuit, raising safety considerations. Overall, the device offers a low-neutral wiring solution for smart lighting with modifiable firmware but requires attention to component quality and configuration for reliable operation.
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