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[Solved] Searching for Huawei B535-232 Antenna - Need Help Finding a Compatible Model

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  • #2 18197795
    matek451
    Level 43  
    There is no such thing as an antenna for the B535, it is a standard fixed LTE-A router with 2 CC CA having two SMA connectors. The antenna is selected for a specific band / bands depending on what the operator on BTSs in your location offers. First, the operator and location. Then, measurements of signal parameters on individual LTE bands and aggregation of 2 selected LTE bands.
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  • #3 18197813
    dariusz2021
    Level 9  
    In Plus, they said that you can buy an antenna. The device belongs to a friend. Should I enter a bandwidth?
  • #4 18197954
    matek451
    Level 43  
    In Plus, they usually tell fairy tales, but as I wrote, the router has SMA connectors for an external antenna so you can connect it only you need to know what. At the beginning, the location where your friend will use this Plus, you need to locate the BTS Plus in this area and the bands on them. For this, test these LTE bands by forcing them to the B535 using LTEWatchH on Windows or HManagerenm on Android. They probably did not say that in Plus.
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  • #5 18198005
    dariusz2021
    Level 9  
    Thanks for the advice.
  • #6 18198044
    matek451
    Level 43  
    And what is this advice, so far you are not even one step closer to solving the problem with coverage. I know from my own experience that 95% of people buy electro-breakers, which Allegro does not lack, instead of the right antenna. The lack of a colleague's location does not even allow to check the infrastructure of Plus in the area and this is not the case. It is not the worst mobile operator in Poland for nothing.
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  • #7 18215115
    pablolinda
    Level 15  
    Is it worth taking this router from Orange along with a new contract because that's what they proposed or maybe something better could get away from them?
  • #8 18215185
    matek451
    Level 43  
    And what did they propose with the new contract and how much for this router? And what is the range of Orange and how does Orange work in your location, have you done any tests?
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  • #9 18215241
    pablolinda
    Level 15  
    The location is the center of Radom, they objected to a friend, from what I remember, it is 200 gb for PLN 40 plus PLN 10 for the rental of equipment. When I will be at her place, I will do the sped test, so far I have generally used orange and somehow she meant it. She thought about some cable cable, but it turned out that she could not do it in this location.
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  • #10 18215274
    matek451
    Level 43  
    Standard for PLN 40 is 50 GB and PLN 20 installment for b535, which is a total poverty of what little 60 PLN / month. For PLN 60, there is 250 GB + nights 0-9 beyond the limit and PLN 17 for B535, i.e. PLN 77 per month. Therefore, let her ask exactly what and how.
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  • #11 18215302
    pablolinda
    Level 15  
    By default, yes, but she was offered such conditions by Huawei 4G Router 3 Pro
    PLN 17.00 for the alleged extension of the contract.
  • #12 18216614
    dariusz2021
    Level 9  
    He does not know because the device does not belong to me, but to a friend who is green :)
  • #13 18216641
    matek451
    Level 43  
    A friend is not green, but extremely lazy, but where he lives, he probably knows what prevents him from giving the location? In addition to choosing the right antenna, you need to know which BTS Plus should be aimed at, without checking what it looks like in its vicinity, all the fortune-telling from coffee grounds characteristic for consultants in salons. And what are your friend's problems with this Plus?
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    #14 18216715
    single_malt
    Level 12  
    Hello, what my colleague of mothers writes451 is all true, but for complete beginners a little bit of information at once.
    Without an external antenna, the Huawei B315, B525, etc. modems work poorly, unless BTS is in sight, a good antenna (double, short approx. 50 cm dipole antennas enclosed in white plastic tubes, cost about PLN 250) gives 16 dBm signal amplification , (i.e. less than 100 times, 20 dBm is exactly 100 times). Condition: short cables from the antenna to the router, approx. 2 x 5m, no more. For me, BTS is about 1000 m away.
    Such antennas are aledrogo and can be tested for 30 days, I did just that using the LTEWatchh program

    Correction , these shielded antennas are of course Yagi type, not dipole, as I wrote from momentum. You can of course philosophize whether Yagi is also not a dipole, but supported ...
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  • #15 18235235
    77mik77
    Level 8  
    I picked up a router like this today. I know that I have a poor range at home and I want to buy a decent antenna. Can you give a hint?
    Location: Cybulice Duże (05-152); T-mobile operator. The map shows that I have a little over 3 km to one transmitter and about 6.5 km to the other. The transmitters support 800, 1800 and 2600.
  • #16 18235339
    matek451
    Level 43  
    Two NetWorks BTSs in the area, including Wólka Czosnowska with LTE1800 and LTE2100 T-Mobile confirmed, LTE2600, LTE2100, LTE1800 and LTE800 operate on Sowia Wola. First, testing these bands with the B535 outside the window. You force the specific LTE bands on the B535 LTEWatchH. LTEInspecteur for Windows or HManager, HuaCtrl for Android and you show screenshots of each band from eNB, BTS CID and signal parameters on them. B535 aggregates 2 LTE bands, from Sowia Wola you have a chance for LTE2600 + 1800, LTE2600 + 2100, LTE2600 + 800, LTE2100 + 1800, LTE2100 + 800 and LTE1800 + 800. After testing, you will choose the fastest set of 2 strands. With Wólka, as there are no other bands, only LTE2100 + 1800. Depending on the choice of BTS, bands and tests, you choose an external antenna.
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  • #17 18236284
    single_malt
    Level 12  
    I think that testing without a double Yagi directional antenna connected does not make much sense because we do not get any valuable information except which transmitters on the BTS are on and that the further BTS gives a weaker signal (physics). It is faster to buy an antenna and test it in a specific direction, i.e. a closer transmitter here. In an open area, the higher the BTS frequency, the more important the directionality of the antennas.
    It is therefore good to mount the antennas on the mast rotating in a pipe-in-pipe system, then precise rotation is very easy. Then block the outer pipe, but in an extremely strong wind, e.g. 150 km / h, the blockade will be released - it will protect the antennas.
  • #18 18236495
    matek451
    Level 43  
    And why does he need a directional YAGI antenna, if he has a BTS with 4 LTE bands and aggregation nearby, YAGi antennas do not work in the 800-2600MHz range. The test without an antenna outside at a distance of about 3 km from the BTS give a general idea of how these LTE dogs work and whether there is a chance for proper internet after using a directional antenna, the DL / UL speedtest shows approximately the load on a given band. The choice of the antenna depends on whether LTE800 works OK, then broadband, if we exclude the LTE800 band, we focus on antennas working at 1800-2100MHz.
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  • #19 18236584
    single_malt
    Level 12  
    Buddy, a directional antenna at a distance of 3 km in flat terrain will always be the best option for LTE.

    I do not understand the statements that YAGi antennas do not work in the 800-2600MHz range (why not?), Because their specifications and signal measurements indicate that they work as well as possible. Anyway, there is no physical reason for them not to work. They may have a slightly different gain on different bands, that's true, but these are not dramatic differences ... Let's not do a mystery with LTE.
  • #20 18236762
    matek451
    Level 43  
    The YAGI UDA antenna is an antenna whose dimensions depend on the operating frequency, the 800-900MHz antenna has completely different dimensions of the boom, reflector, dipole and directors than the one for 2600MHz. The dimensions of the elements and the distance between them decrease with increasing frequency. It is not possible to build an effective YAGI antenna operating in the 800-2600MHz range. That is why these types of antennas are built for a specific band, Telkob offers YAGI COMBO antennas of this type http://telkob.pl/inkontrahent.php?t=1502&g=389&q=&r=0&rg=0&sg= but at 800-900MHz and 1800-200MHz for LTE800 / 900 and LTE1800. Maybe it will work at 2100MHz with LTE2100 but certainly not at 2600MHz on LTE2600. You would probably have to make a triple COMBO with another reflector, a dipole and directors at 2600MHz. In the case of YAGI antennas at 2600 MHz, the elements are very small and high precision is required. LTE is a radio technique and no one is making a mystery out of it, but high LTE bands require an effective antenna, especially with Polish PEM standards. If someone wants to use the aggregation of the 800-900MHz, 1800-2100MHz and 2600MHz bands, it is necessary to use a log-periodic antenna, the LPDA antenna is not a YAGI. In the case of panel antennas, directional 1800-2100 and 2600 MHz, two radiators (dipoles) are used for these bands.
    Summing up, the purchase of a YAGI antenna makes sense when we want to use a specific band, e.g. 800-900MHz. In the case of aggregation of LTE bands, the only sense of buying this type of antenna is when we want to use 2 CC CA B3 + B1, then the YAGI 2.1GHz (ATK-16/2) antenna working in the 1800-2100MHz range will fulfill its role. Of course, two pieces because LTE works in MIMO2x2. There is also one condition, the LTE-A router must support LTE1800 + 2100 aggregation, today these conditions are met by B715 and B535, the popular B525, B528 and B529 do not aggregate these bands.
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  • #21 18236891
    Anonymous
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  • #22 18237016
    matek451
    Level 43  
    I will add that in the case of YAGI for high bands, the antenna has a small size, and it was hidden in the tubes because the drops of water deposited on the directors could change the antenna characteristics, these ATK-16/2 are derived from the 2.4GHz WiFi antenna, i.e. from ATK-16 /2.4 https://www.dipol.com.pl/antena_atk-16-2_4ghz_14_5_db_5_m_przewodu_wtyk_sma_r-p_A712425.htm, the dimensions have been simply changed by converting them to the 2GHz band so that they work initially from 3G to UMTS2100, now, as I wrote, they are used for LTE2100 LTE1800. https://www.dipol.com.pl/antena_atk-16-2_ghz_umts_16_dbi_z_10_m_przewodu_wtyk_sma_A7035.htm
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  • #23 18238452
    single_malt
    Level 12  
    Cztat z Kol. _Cheetah_ You probably think that Yagi antennas are logoperiodic antennas.

    A shot at 10, because that's how it was. I bought a 2x ATK502 antenna and did not wonder what is in the covers, there is no way to check it anyway. There is no word Yagi or log-period in the description. There is, however, the word broadband, but I did not notice that this is quite a clear indication of log-period ...
    Because I use two antennas in the X configuration, out of curiosity, I checked the professional descriptions of the construction of segment antennas on BTS and in fact X makes sense.
    To help my colleague 77mik77, I will add that in the configuration of Huawei routers you need to check (preferably 3x) and enter theexplicite setting of the external antenna (or in some models two external antennas) because the automatic setting does not work. It is important to carefully but sensitively tighten both SMA plugs with a wrench 8 - without this, the up- or download is e.g. 10 times lower and then the nervous search for the reasons will start ...
    I would like to thank my colleagues for interesting comments and corrections, a man learns his whole life ...
  • #24 18238821
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #25 18238946
    single_malt
    Level 12  
    Yes, I had friends on Hua CPE 593 quite recently. Extreme asymmetry of up- and download. Doubled antenna X turned unnecessarily vertically / horizontally, pointing OK (maybe not perfect) at the BTS at a distance of 4 km.
    After tightening one of the up / dpwn cables immediately 29 Mbit. And in the Huawei B315, for example, it is difficult to feel the moment when the nut is fully tightened, because the sockets are too deep ...

    I could look with an endoscopic camera, but you would have to drill a drainage hole ... and after the warranty ...
    Best regards !
  • #26 18239070
    Anonymous
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  • #27 18287587
    WarHawk480
    Level 2  
    Hello! I am new to the forum, I need help choosing an antenna for my location I would like to add that I know little about these technical matters, so I need a fairly clear answer what type of antenna and cables, inputs or other accessories I need and in which direction to place it. I have the above-mentioned Huawei B535 (4g router 3 pro) located on the ground floor in the living room by the window.
    Below I am attaching screenshots from HManager.
    300GB play network

    My Location:
    Mędrzechów 250,
    33-221 Mędrzechów
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    Anonymous
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  • #29 18287788
    matek451
    Level 43  
    All the tests shown apply only to the LTE1800 itself, LTE band aggregation does not work on any of the tests, and no wonder, since LTE800 was not added to the LTE1800 in the test. LTE2100 does not work on BTS Play Grady, let alone LTE2600, currently 15MHz bands on LTE1800 and a meager 5MHz band on LTE800, i.e. 2 CC CA B3 + B20 (LTE1800 + 800). Signal RSRP parameters for 1800MHz at this distance are weak, high SINR and RSRQ are not surprising. The station is newly launched so it is unspoiled with few customers. Test on B535 outside, force only LTE1800 and LTE800 bands and then LTE1800 + 800. Show Mmanager screenshots for them and speed tests. Antenna selection depends on how LTE800 works today and whether it contributes to LTE1800 + 800 aggregation.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around finding a compatible antenna for the Huawei B535-232 router. Users clarify that the B535-232 has SMA connectors for external antennas, but the choice of antenna depends on the specific LTE bands available from local base stations (BTS). Recommendations include testing signal strength and LTE band performance using applications like LTEWatchH and HManager. Users emphasize the importance of knowing the location and the specific BTS to optimize antenna selection. Various antenna types, including Yagi and dual-band antennas, are discussed, with suggestions for specific models that can enhance signal reception for LTE bands 800, 1800, 2100, and 2600. The conversation also touches on the performance of different mobile operators in Poland, highlighting the need for proper testing and equipment to achieve optimal internet speeds.
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