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How do I make the installation for controlling roller shutters, heating and light?

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  • #31 18477734
    xury
    Automation specialist
    Daro1003 wrote:
    I'm just worried about interference because there will be a lot of these sonoffs in the switchgear, about 15 of them, and each one will be connected to the WiFi network; I wonder how it will work ;/ the downside is that they can't be connected via LAN.

    Admittedly I love the modules on the ESP, but 14 sonoffs in one place I think is a definite overkill. Wouldn't it be better to replace it with one rpi? It has a lot of gpio so it would probably be enough, and it would probably be cheaper too. There certainly wouldn't be such a concentration of ether in a small area.
    Admittedly I have three T2 switches next to each other and no problems, but that's not 14 units.
    Admittedly, I have 18 different modules scattered throughout my house and there are no transmission problems even though I only have two APs for the whole house.
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  • #32 18477887
    Daro1003
    Level 34  
    xury wrote:
    Isn't it better to replace that with one rpi? It has a lot of gpio so would probably be enough, and it would probably be cheaper too.
    .
    Maybe it would work out cheaper and better too. But what if the RBPi dies ? Or something crashes or there is a problem with e.g. updating domoticz as it has already happened ? All the roller shutter lights fail. On the Sonoff 4CH or GeekCreit 4 modules, which I am currently testing, there will be loaded software which works independently, i.e. without the connection to wi-fi the control from local buttons will work. Additionally, one module supports 4 lamps, so if only part of the lighting or RBPi control fails, everything fails. In addition, after the RBPi failure, it will take some time to load all the configurations.

    I would like to take this opportunity to recommend GeekCreit 4 price on ali is 32zl with shipping. It works like the donoff 4CH only it lacks the housing but has terminals for relays with COM NO NC contacts.
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    Anonymous
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  • #34 18478040
    Daro1003
    Level 34  
    I spoke to an IT specialist who works in the field of Internet provision and deals with fibre optics and LANs in his own company on a daily basis. He claims that 20-30 devices next to each other is no problem with the use of a suitable router, while it is possible to have up to 100 devices, but then you need some specialised equipment. On the basis of his advice on network planning, I stay with the 300+ module switchgear with all the modules in it.
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    Anonymous
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  • #36 18478369
    Daro1003
    Level 34  
    I plan to do as I have written and what comes out will be seen. If it does not work properly I will look for other solutions.
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    Anonymous
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  • #38 18478478
    Daro1003
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    In your opinion then, Erbit, is it possible to connect 20 laptops in one room or 100 to one router? E.g. a common room? How can such a problem be solved? Is it not possible?
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    Anonymous
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  • #40 18485252
    sk1977

    IT specialist
    valek333 wrote:
    how best to make an installation to control blinds heating lighting
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    You give very few relevant details - e.g. what kind of roller shutters and their control, what kind of heating, what kind of lighting, the basic parameters of the house - the number of elements to be controlled or receive data transmission.
    Another issue is your expectations, requirements and what I would call "dreams". - perhaps some of these can be realised or made easier to realise in the future by planning some solutions right away.

    In general, like Col. Erbit, I would not combine the alarm function with the "smart home" within the control panel. Rather, I would add the alarm and monitoring functions to the "smart home" devices - as a complement to the alarm system - motion sensors, cameras, etc.

    In terms of wiring - the future is more likely to be wireless connections. It is worth thinking this through and considering what will require wired control and what can successfully use radio connectivity.
    For example, relatively cheap on systems such as sonoff and similar systems, many interesting and useful solutions can be implemented. For example, light control - the simplest option - Sonoff TX type touch switches (NOTE: they require L and N - when installing a new system, it is worth taking this into account) - can work as ordinary touch switches (without a connection).
    But if you install a free app - you can control your phone/tablet (even when away from home) or Hub or speaker from google. Plus basic scenarios and you already have automation elements.
    On top of that you integrate with Google Home and you can use the google assistant - "OK Google, turn on the light...". Not enough? E.g. Tiny + Hass.io and integrations with what you have + Node-Red and you have an activity for long winter evenings - blocks for adults :) .

    Similarly, heating control - you have furnace controls, sensors, thermostatic heads (programmable and controlled via WiFi), etc.
    Roller shutter control can also be done differently than just 'up/down'.
    With other installations, it is also worth thinking about automation and making or enabling the future installation of - for example - solenoid valves (which shut off water or gas if flooding or gas or smoke is detected).

    Whether you want to dabble in automation at the moment or not, it is worth doing what will be difficult to access later on with flair. The number of devices and their prices mean that we are increasingly limited not by the components available but by our imagination :) .
    From a practical point of view - it is worth using deep cans (in the future you can insert a control element there and you can already, for example, switch off the iron with your phone on the way to work).
    Even if you don't intend to use certain solutions at the moment - but will want to in the future - it's worth checking what the installation requirements are.
    And finally the issue of networking - here it is worth thinking about what and where - routers/cables/sockets.
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
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    Anonymous
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  • #42 18489643
    Daro1003
    Level 34  
    Erbit wrote:
    Why not 8ch + nodemcu then? It's always a smaller number of transmitters and also costs less than 14 Sonoffs.
    .

    Any example of how to do this ?
    I have never tried it with Nodemcu.
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    Anonymous
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  • #44 18489889
    Daro1003
    Level 34  
    Thanks for the tutorials but I'm unlikely to be able to cope I have to rely on off-the-shelf solutions due to my lack of knowledge in writing code and programming in the arduino environment.

    Of course you are right the number of devices is smaller.
    The best would be to use an Arduino MEGA plus a network card then we would get rid of the radio connection completely. But this is not for me.
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    Anonymous
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  • #46 18490079
    Daro1003
    Level 34  
    Erbit wrote:
    Don't exaggerate. I'm not making you write all the logic of your Smart Home but only the simple actuators
    .

    This is what it looks like to someone who knows it, but you need a starting point, i.e. a certain code scheme that you need to edit, e.g. ip address or network name. Then there are the local control buttons, i.e. the inputs and the types of relays and their operating times, which are already becoming more and more numerous. And then there is the integration with Domoticz. Unfortunately, for a layman, this is a bit of "magic" and I don't even know where to start.
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    Anonymous
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  • #48 18490098
    Daro1003
    Level 34  
    I have always wanted to master the basics of Arduino even have purchased 2 pieces and one mega. This would be a good solution because with the network card it goes after the lan. But also with the nodemcu I would reduce the number of wi fi devices as you write.
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    Anonymous
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  • #50 18490360
    xury
    Automation specialist
    Well, nobody says it will be easy. But there's also no need to immediately set yourself up for failure.
    I never learned programming either. But I had a problem and I solved it. The first was to make my own gsm notification. While making it I learned BASCOM. Then I decided to do integration with ethm-1 when they were not yet available. I didn't know completely how to go about it and started writing it in PHP which of course I didn't know. Then came the ESP 8266 era and I started writing in LUA then Arduino for ESP, then platformio. Along the way some Java script I node red and now YAML.
  • Topic summary

    The discussion revolves around the installation of a smart home system for controlling roller shutters, heating, and lighting in a new house. The main query concerns the feasibility of running a bus cable from the distribution board to each control point and the integration of sensors for lighting control. Various responses suggest considering both wired and wireless solutions, with recommendations for brands like Sonoff and Supla for wireless modules. The complexity of wiring depends on the chosen system, with suggestions to avoid combining alarm systems with smart home controls. Participants emphasize the importance of planning, understanding the required modules, and the potential need for professional installation. Concerns about WiFi interference with multiple devices and the advantages of using a Raspberry Pi for control are also discussed.
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