Smart home infrastructure plan for a new home - please give your opinion

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Hi, I'm building a single-storey house with an attic (160-170 m² and a Faraday cage in the form of underfloor heating) and I want to do a fully DIY automation. I would appreciate an evaluation of my idea and all the heebie-jeebies on its silliness, as I am totally green on the subject :D ....

Daro1003 · Accepted Answer

For the past three years it has used:
1. Satel Integra 128 replaced this year with 256
2. a Domoticz on a Raspberry 3B+ and SSD drive
Raspbrery because it uses GPIO and audio output there is a tutorial on the web on how to make a cool radio on Raspberry
Internet radio in domoticz it works nicely.
3. the Rasbbery 4 plus a 14 inch screen in the living room to control the whole thing on the Dashticz screen
4. for lighting a Sonoff 4CG module with AFE software
5. for roller shutters schelly 2.5 unfortunately a little unreliable
6. other sensors on ESP8266 temp, pressure, voltage, power, energy

As I started building automation where in 2019 Domoticz was very popular and all the info I found on it everyone said it was easier to use and it is. Due to the fact that I have a lot done on it I will not switch to HA which is also supposedly more difficult. The creators of domoticz claim that no system is intuitive and does not have such a possibility of automation as Domoticz via blockly and dzVents or LUA scripts.
In addition, there is integration with the Satel alarm system, which, it must be said, is extremely stable in operation.

I read a post on the elektroda forum that one of the users also keeps Domoticz precisely because of its good integration with Satel.

As far as power supply is concerned, I am currently switching, as time permits, to 12V buffer power supplies plus converters for 5V to support some devices at the snapshot power supply from the power supply, which likes to mess things up.
Unfortunately the sonoff 4ch module requires 230V so it must be changed to another which will be connected to the buffer power supply.

What modules @Mavannkas are you planning to use for basic circuits such as lighting or roller shutters?

Daro1003 · Accepted Answer

Thanks to integration with satell it will be able to use signals from e.g. detectors to control lighting or the DHW pump or other automation. Only Satel Integra has integration with Domoticz, but you need to use the ETHM module. As for the lighting modules, I would rather not try to put them behind contacts in boxes, but in a switchboard with sufficient space, it is always possible to replace them and generally test other modules, e.g. for lighting: Dingtian they work on LAN, integration with Domoticz and HA. ASTRA: Added after 15 [minutes]: SmartBOB drivers are also worth looking into:

Daro1003 · Accepted Answer

There are boxes with pockets and you can pack a lot in there, but I pull everything into the switchboard so that I have room to manoeuvre.

Mavannkas wrote:
For Satel, do you think it makes sense to consult them?

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eee rather none as far as integration is concerned of course as the plugin for Domoticz was written by a user of this forum @szczukot - respect and appreciation.

Satel also have and controllers with 10A INT-IORS relays myself I am considering whether to use them for lighting but to make it work as the logic wants it takes a lot of inputs and outputs in satel probably 12 or 14 for one point controlled from a detector and switch.

What I use from satel, however, is INT-SCR door locks with a bell - the bell is realised by the satel output.

Satel has many useful modules.

lopr_pol · Answer

Why have ESP32 everywhere at once when you can get most of the coverage with ESP01. You need to have good wifi in the house, in esp the power is high but the receiver on the original antenna is weak, sometimes two brick walls and the signal on reception ~-90dB and on the router ~-75dB.

Mavannkas · Answer

>>21440299 . Exactly my aim is not to use WIFI for automation, just zigbee/matter. And as for home WIFI, I want to have 2 APs fairly centrally on the ceiling

lopr_pol · Answer

Ok, now I have checked that these C6's supposedly have Zigbee but a bit expensive for my taste.

Mavannkas · Answer

>>21440307 .
Well I am looking for a reasonably reasonable cost/time solution. These esp32s seemingly cost a bit, but further a fraction of the price of the finished stuff, for me it's acceptable, especially as it doesn't have to be bought all at once. But I'll look for it, smaller tiles. But all in all, isn't it worth paying the extra few zloty for flexibility?

sosarek · Answer

Install a normal alarm system and the rest will be opted out on Domoticz and integrate both systems.

Mavannkas · Answer

>>21440328 . What does normal mean? Something from somfy, for example? And in general why Domoticz instead of HA? Any personal experience?

sosarek · Answer

Normal - Satel, Genovo, DSC.... As for Domiticz - invite to the topic he has an idea about it and will probably explain everything to you

Mavannkas · Answer

I'm generally worried about the power supply for this, I care about cost efficiency, hence the 12/24 V line, but I'm wondering if it's pointless, if it's not better to add a bit more and make a classic star with PoE + PoE splitters or PoE devices. Of course, switches cost a bit, but probably under automation I don't need an unknown powerful one.

Added after 1 [minute]: .

@Daro1003 They asked to call you out

sosarek · Answer

@Mavannkas We'll still ask

Mavannkas · Answer

>>21441416 .Hello, my schedule is constantly changing After a ton of searching, I decided thatI'll use Domoticz as the main tool for Zigbee integration and automation, and HA for dashboards and remote control (I'm reading that this can be nicely integrated, and HA has a flexible UI).Physically I'll pull the infrastructure though, CAT 6a with PoE probably everywhere, plus to start I'll just use PoE injectors and splitters, because much more stable network though, one more powerful UPS instead of several always in props.Some of the simple automation, such as lights, power consumption etc. I would use switches like they are cheap (I will buy a few in reserve and probably replace them with more stable ones over time if they do not work). For roller blinds and other things I'll probably be looking for such wonders (definitely only mains powered ones, I can't imagine flying around with a battery). And if I can't find one, I'll be making the ESP32-C6 myself.For the Zigbee coordinator, I've chosen the SMLIGHT SLZB-06M.I was also thinking of tablets as the main controllers in the house, phone of course, as I want remote access though, only over VPN of course, plus some git firewall I'll embrace. I don't want someone to be able to hack into my network without a problem.Regarding alarms, you convince me strongly to this Satel however, it is probably better here not to rely on cheap modules from Ali. But the question of what exactly I want to have etc. I haven't thought through yet. Definitely window opening/window breaking sensors, probably motion detectors as a basis.

Mavannkas · Answer

>>21441844 .

As for that main switchgear, I've given up on that idea, and at most I'll just charge more for Cat 6a. Unfortunately we don't have a good place for the extra switchgear. So I'll buy deep boxes and somehow live with it. I'm thinking that a combo of off-the-shelf modules + ESP32 + strung twisted pair cable in the plenum with room to spare will give me quite a bit of flexibility. However, can I bounce back from something?

Regarding Satel, do you think it makes sense to consult them? Or is it better to get the knowledge on my own?

Generally from Satel would you take mainly alarm systems? And used Dimicz/HA as a command centre? Because I see that in general Satel has everything.

Mavannkas · Answer

>>21441897 .
The issue of security system design and implementation you recommend on your own too? I don't have any experience with that, hah. And yet automation of blinds/lights is a slightly different matter than security or fire sensors etc.

Added after 17 [minutes]:

I'm thinking of getting myself such a training https://system-alarmowy.online/product/satel-integra-krok-po-kroku/# by the way I'll figure out how to do it `good`

All in all, with the alarm/security systems from satel. So I can buy this as standard with a keypad for arming etc. and then I can integrate it with a dimic and e.g. with its help make remote control and dashboards? Or do I have to do it differently if I want to have non-Satel equipment? Like integrating something else with satel? Can these things exist side by side?

Daro1003 · Answer

. . As for the design of the security system, I don't know if Satel provides a service to carry out such a design. If as you write yourself . then it probably suits to have someone do such a project. You can always get advice from colleagues on the forum. When I was building a house and I had no idea how to make a recuperation system, a company that sells equipment offered to make a project for about 200PLN and they made a project of installation with the selection of all elements. If you want to get into the subject yourself and do installations and installation of the alarm system, then the course I can recommend to actually learn how to do it is the course at www.montersi.pl I think that I am not the only one who can recommend courses at montersi.pl on the forum. Added after 4 [minutes]: As for Satel integration it still integrates with Fibaro even there were courses on www.montersi.pl on how to do it unfortunately I didn't manage to attend them.

Mavannkas · Answer

With integration, I was referring to how it works with this Domoticz. If I can use the detector states from Satel in it, then I'm set, because the rest of the integrations I want I'll have already figured out on my own.

sosarek · Answer

. Let it go, it's not worth it. Now it's Nice and for me - they've broken some things.

Mavannkas · Answer

And why is it not worth it? Simple, that it's a waste of money etc., or some other reason?

Daro1003 · Answer

It's normal to see the statuses of the detectors and all other inputs and outputs. You can control the outputs, i.e. switch something on in the satellites from Domoticz.

Satel will not tell you anything about integration with Domoticz because the author of the plugin for integration Satel - Domoticz is colleague @szczukot and you should ask him.

I was supposed to buy a Fibaro control panel once, but I've already read unflattering reviews @sosarek you mentioned about it working poorly. So probably not worth buying.

sosarek · Answer

. Because this user was brought down to earth a bit by most experienced people at one time after those publications and videos of his on YT.... Also, Take a listen to him from 4:30 Here it flows from the beginning @Daro1003 At the moment until there is a new HomeCenter I wouldn't buy.

roman106 · Answer

. Sonoff 4ch Pro - 5V to 24V power supply.

Daro1003 · Answer

@roman106 I'm letting go of the sonoff 4ch due to lack of inputs for local connectors. Unless there is a version what has such inputs.

Mavannkas · Answer

. Hmm... I don't plan to ever become an installer and I wonder if this won't be a git source of know-how though. Because when installing, however, a guide like this might come in handy. On fitters, unfortunately I don't see an option to have an entry to their materials without a company. Do you associate maybe something else worth looking at? Right now I'm thinking I'll pretty much embrace someone for the design and equipment list, and implement it myself and learn on the fly.... I guess that'll have to do, hah. Alternatively, the question is, is there any point in doing something like this myself? Maybe I'm pointlessly planning something I shouldn't/can't do? I've seen that insurance companies give slight discounts on insurance, but imo they are insignificant

sosarek · Answer

Give yourself such a source, really. The Monters have a channel on YT, so does Satel, plus some pretty good documentation....

Daro1003 · Answer

Good training is always useful when it comes to home automation: if you change something all the time, if you do it yourself, it will be financially worthwhile. If you call an alarm system fitter for every change, you will have to pay for each visit.

As far as the alarm system is concerned, you need to learn a bit about the subject, but it will certainly come in handy.

The forum will also help you with the topic, but it is good to have some basics.

tesla97 · Answer

. Domoticz in 2025? Seriously? Maybe still use PLCs with ladder programming which was developed for electricians who didn't really know how to program but knew how to draw connectors like on walls. Fibaro, Grenton, Tuya, KNX, HA, Openhab,

Daro1003 · Answer

. Well, seriously: E.g. such a radio on a 14 inch touchscreen: . can it be easily integrated into Domoticz and raspberry ? Added after 2 [minutes]: Do you need a full-time programmer to slap together the code ?

michal.zd · Answer

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