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Wireless anti-flooding system - alternatives to FIBARO?

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  • #1 18455262
    Miras_Ch
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    Hello all.
    I am tentatively looking for a wireless anti-flooding system for my house.
    Looking at the market for this type of device, most of these systems can perform other functions besides shutting off the water, e.g. alarm and so-called smart home functions. FIBARO, for example, has something like this.
    But maybe someone will suggest how it could be implemented differently, maybe cheaper, maybe better.
    The house is already practically finished, so I wouldn't necessarily want to pull the wiring.
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  • #2 18459114
    weryfany
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    Anti-flooding system for the home.....
    1. do you have 'Fibaro' or just a desire for a flood sensor.
    Cheaper and better.... The sea is wide and deep.

    2 Have you thought about a Satel Integra 64/128/256 alarm system, the number of devices available is huge and you can add wireless (ABAX) and wireless sensors,
    Not to mention that roller shutters and gates are a small thing in this system, adding ETHM and connecting to the network you have full control over everything from your phone.
    Satel Integra is an alarm system, but you can implement most ideas. There have already been keypads (such a tablet even with a size of 7") for several years. Configuration for an experienced technician is a piece of cake.
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  • #3 18459223
    Miras_Ch
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    I specified Fibaro in order to define fairly quickly what I had in mind.
    Of course I am also considering Satel's Integra 64, however I don't know what the differences are between the different boards (Integra 32,64,128) and what would need to go into the kit.
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    sosarek

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    They differ in the number of inputs, outputs, power supplies....
    As for Fibaro - it will not replace the alarm system, besides the required purchase of Home enter, I am leaving aside the price issue of Flood detectors, relay switches etc.
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  • #5 18459292
    weryfany
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    Integra 14/32/64/128/256
    As a colleague mentioned the number of inputs and outputs
    In a control panel, say for a house, it's a minimum of Integra 32 (on board 8 inputs and expand with another 8 inputs/outputs with expanders (for clarity there are input and output expanders).

    So you need say 12 inputs (each motion detector takes one line) to secure your house with motion detectors only, but you have an entry gate with operator and a garage also with operator (for remote controls).
    So you need outputs in the control panel to control the entrance gate and the garage door.... and I'll mention that let's say you fancy anti-burglary roller shutters also controlled remotely (button/pilot).
    And you can do dependencies e.g. if you arm the alarm all the roller shutters close. You can add sprinklers on the property so that the grass is watered regularly at certain times (or even just when it's hot). The more inputs/outputs you have the more you can come up with different relationships. It's like programming only in a bigger way. Even exterior house lights can be controlled at set times. Power sockets, different switches. I don't think there is a limit to the number of inputs and outputs.

    I think the Satel integra 64 or 128 is a bit too much, but it is an investment for years and the possibilities ... are great.
    I would like to suggest that there is also Integra 128 WRL, but you should read what and how on the manufacturer's website SATEL
    Of course, Integra 32 has 8 inputs/Integra 64 has 16 inputs/Integra 128 has 16 inputs/Integra WRL has 8 inputs (it does not have a dialer which is usually used by a security company to notify about events from the alarm system), but you add further inputs via expanders up to the number of inputs supported by the selected control panel.

    There are also wireless cable flood detectors, smoke detectors, external and internal motion detectors, reed switches, breakage detectors, vibration detectors, two-way communication remote controls, etc..... you could go on and on. Why Satel is simple for the user. And the support they have is very good.

    Of course there are other companies .... But I won't comment on that.
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    Miras_Ch
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    I see that the more I dig into the subject, the less I know.
    So I probably need to think about what I want, what I need for "now" and then I can figure out what elements of the system I will need.
    I just don't know what the limitations are.
    For example, roller shutters with electric control are planned, but nothing apart from electricity to the switch is routed. There are likely to be wireless components with additional boxes, but my boxes have a standard depth (6 cm, I think) and I don't know if they will fit.
    And so with everything.
    The cottage is being painted, so running cables is out of the question. All wireless. The only place where I can put some cables if I need to is in the boiler room.
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    weryfany
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    Satel has an ASW-210
    It requires phase and zero and the boxes I think may be too small (shallow)
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  • #10 18461436
    Miras_Ch
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    I've seen this proxima system on the net too, but I don't know who to hit on this topic. Also no prices, no distributors in my area, no opinions on it.
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    Miras_Ch
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    In fact there are prices. And I was blind not to see.... Everything was displayed as in 'offer' and you still had to click. And me reading about the product before, I didn't click anymore.
    Ok thanks.
    I will contact the man. :) .
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    Miras_Ch
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    Well, good....
    Let's assume that the control panel will be INTEGRA 64 and to it an ABAX2 wireless device controller.
    How do these devices connect to each other? By cable or already wireless?
    What I'm getting at is that since I want to connect most of the devices wirelessly, do I need an Integra 64 or is an Integra 24 sufficient, which is about 2x cheaper than the 64.
  • #14 18481840
    weryfany
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    Integra 24 does not have 8 inputs, but only 4, and the rest can be extended with expanders.
    ABAX2 is a wireless communication with dedicated devices.

    Despite the fact that all devices are wireless, they occupy inputs in the control panel virtually, let's say these 20 inputs from Integra 24 where in 64 you can expand to over 50 (physical inputs in the control panel remain, but I once called them and they told me that even the physical ones are not a problem, so in this respect I will not go out of my way because I have not yet had such a number of devices to check it practically). The technical support is very helpful although I have healed them a few times already ... years of practice and experience do their job.
    I would also add that there are fewer outputs in the 24 as there are only 2 low current outputs where in the Integra 64 there are 12, while in the Integra 32 there are 6,
    Another difference is that the keypad rails are one, but there is only one expander rail in 24 and 32, while in 64 there are two rails. It is a question of how many devices you anticipate to use, not many outputs and inputs can be used virtually, such as a logical sum, etc... It's like a smart home. (e.g. when you activate the alarm, the roller blinds close and the electricity is switched off, at night the lights around the house come on at certain times.... night would be too late to exhaust the subject.
    Regards

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around finding alternatives to the FIBARO wireless anti-flooding system for home use. Users explore various options, including the Satel Integra alarm system, which offers extensive functionality with wireless sensors and devices. The Integra series (models 24, 32, 64, 128, and 256) is highlighted for its scalability in terms of inputs and outputs, allowing for integration with other smart home features like roller shutters and motion detectors. The Proxima anti-flooding system is also mentioned as a viable option, although users express concerns about availability and pricing. The conversation emphasizes the importance of assessing specific needs and the limitations of each system, particularly regarding wireless capabilities and installation constraints.
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FAQ

TL;DR: For wireless anti-flooding without rewiring, use an alarm panel with wireless modules; one user runs 160 sensors, and "Fibaro will not replace an alarm system." [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18460195]

Why it matters: Homeowners with finished houses need reliable flood shutoff and smart control without opening walls.

Quick Facts

Whats a solid alternative to FIBARO for wireless anti-flood protection?

A common alternative is Satel Integra with ABAX/ABAX2 wireless. You get an alarm-grade platform that also handles automation. Add ETHM for network connectivity and phone control. This approach lets you mix flood sensing with other functions like gates or shutters later. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18459114]

How do Satel Integra 32/64/128 differ for home setups?

They differ mainly in base inputs/outputs and expansion capacity. Integra 32 has 8 inputs, 64 has 16, and 128 has 16 on board. WRL has 8 inputs and built-in wireless features. You expand all of them with input/output modules up to panel-supported limits. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18459292]

Do I need Integra 64 if most devices will be wireless via ABAX2?

Possibly. Wireless devices still consume panel inputs virtually. Integra 24 offers 4 inputs and 2 low-current outputs. Integra 64 expands to over 50 inputs and provides 12 outputs. Choose based on zones and automations you plan, not just wiring type. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18481840]

How does ABAX2 integrate with Integra  wired or wireless?

ABAX2 provides wireless communication with dedicated sensors. The panel treats these as zones using its expansion capability. Plan capacity as if they were wired zones, because they occupy inputs logically within the panel. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18481840]

Can Integra also handle gates, shutters, lighting, and irrigation?

Yes. You can map outputs to control gates, garage doors, or anti-burglary shutters. Create dependencies, like closing shutters when arming the alarm. You can also schedule exterior lighting or sprinklers on time or condition triggers. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18459292]

How do I control the system from my phone?

Add the ETHM network module to the Integra panel and connect it to your LAN. Then you can manage the system from your smartphone. This supports arming, outputs, and status, depending on configuration. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18459114]

Is FIBARO a replacement for an alarm system?

No. As one expert put it, "Fibaro will not replace an alarm system." Use Fibaro-like hubs for smart home tasks and an alarm panel for security-grade functions. Separation improves reliability and compliance. [Elektroda, sosarek, post #18459229]

Can an alarm panel replace a Smart Home controller?

Not fully. "An alarm system will not replace a SmartHome control panel." Alarm panels excel at security and basic automation, while dedicated hubs scale broader smart functions. Use each where it’s strongest. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #18460195]

What should I know about in-wall modules for shutters if boxes are shallow?

Satel’s ASW-210 requires both phase and neutral at the box. Standard shallow boxes can be too small to fit the module safely. Consider deeper boxes or alternative mounting to avoid overheating or cramped wiring. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18459486]

Which flood sensors work with Integra or ABAX?

You can use both wired and wireless flood detectors in Satel ecosystems. Options include cable-type probes and compact sensors. Pair them with the panel’s inputs and configure responses in the logic. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18459292]

What is the Proxima Water system and where can I get it?

Proxima Water is a dedicated anti-flood solution with controller and sensors. You can buy it directly from the manufacturer’s site, which also hosts manuals and videos. This eases selection and installation. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18461619]

How do I plan a wireless flood-protection setup in a finished house?

Focus on wireless to avoid new runs. 1. Choose a central spot you can cable, like the boiler room. 2. Place leak sensors under sinks, near appliances, and at low points. 3. Add a motorized main water shutoff and test trigger-response. [Elektroda, Miras_Ch, post #18459371]

How many inputs and outputs should I plan for?

List your zones and automations. Integra 24 has 4 inputs and two outputs; Integra 64 offers 12 outputs and two expander buses. ABAX2 sensors still fill zones virtually. Leave headroom for future devices and scenes. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18481840]

Where can I get help with Proxima Water?

Check Proxima’s product page for pricing, instructions, and videos. There’s also an official Proxima specialist active on the Elektroda forum for guidance and questions. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18461619]

How responsive is Satel technical support?

A user reports Satel’s technical support as very helpful. Experienced installers also find Integra configuration straightforward once familiar. Good support reduces commissioning time and troubleshooting. [Elektroda, weryfany, post #18481840]
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