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CI+ Module for DVB-T2 H.265 Decoding: Compatible with Older DVB-T TVs & Freenet TV Modules

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Can I use a CI+ module to add DVB-T2 H.265 (HEVC) reception to an older DVB-T TV?

No, there is no CI+ module that adds DVB-T2/HEVC reception to a TV that does not already support it; a CI+ module can only decode the conditional-access stream, not replace the tuner/head or add HEVC support [#20770853][#19504588] If the TV already has a DVB-T2 head and you get sound/EPG but no picture, then the problem is usually missing HEVC decoding in the TV itself; on some sets a firmware update or changing the country/region to Germany or the Czech Republic can help [#19631844][#19828398][#19928927] Panasonic explicitly stated that pre-2016 TVs do not support DVB-T2 HEVC and this cannot be fixed by software; it requires hardware changes, so the practical solution is an external tuner/decoder or a new TV [#19631844] Other replies also state that DVB-T MPEG4-to-HEVC or HEVC-to-MPEG4 CI modules do not exist and are not expected to appear [#20711750][#20711908]
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  • #61 20113394
    Rysiek.K
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    I reheat the chop, is there a CI or CI + card that extends the TV to receive dvb-t2?
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  • #62 20113400
    bubu1769
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    Still not.
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  • #63 20113681
    tomaszlonski
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    It will never be the same. It is not at all profitable to produce this type of tuner cards for CI modules.
  • #64 20401280
    -Pablo-
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    pdbrws wrote:
    And am I doomed to a decoder in this situation, or is there any chance that the problem can be solved by, for example, configuring the TV?


    I'm rehashing the topic a bit but maybe this will help you if it's still up to date, I found a video of a guy replacing the head unit on the Sonik, but for you it might be helpful to do the last thing he does which is to enter the service menu and switch just to DVBT-2.

    Here the video:
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  • #65 20406190
    tomaszlonski
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    The only problem is that it will only work in Android models, in others, apart from the fact that the replaced head will work, there will be no image anyway because there is no HEVC support.
  • #67 20711750
    kolys
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    dominik2390 wrote:
    NO. This is an outdated MPEG4 to even more outdated MPEG2 converter module. Today you need a module with a HEVC to MPEG4 or HEVC to MPEG2 converter. There are no such modules and probably never will be, because introducing such a module to the market would be extremely unprofitable for producers and customers.
  • #68 20711908
    tomaszlonski
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    Well, actually it is outdated and a bit, it was used for TVs imported mainly from the UK where there is MPEG-2.

    Modules from DVB-T MPEG-4 to DVB-T2 HEVC simply do not exist and never will, it is not even possible to do so.
    The TV must have the head replaced with the DVB-T2 standard and support HEVC or, as I wrote, at least have the Android system with AVC (H.264) to transcode HEVC.
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  • #69 20770808
    tomip77
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    Good morning,
    This topic is already a bit old and nothing could be worked out with the CI card, but I got from a certain service such a message, it is about my 2014 Panasonic, about which I wrote earlier:
    "Hello,
    the only possibility is to convert it to Germany (other software) - 300 zł cost, it can not be done from the USB level, etc. You need to physically program the memory."
    and such a response:
    "You can set the Polish language, etc., come bonus applications for the German market, in general on the downside rather nothing happens.
    you need to bring the board or TV to the service - everything is original from Panasonic without any "tricks".
    I wanted to go with my Panasonic TV to this service, the price was not so exorbitant, because I was afraid to rummage myself to pull out the disc, but I no longer got an answer and gave up, because it surprised me a little that you can not drive yourself, I bought a WIWA mini decoder under HDMI, such a kind of solution without rummaging in the TV.
    Maybe the gentlemen who are familiar with the subject of programming the memory physically, add something on this subject from themselves, whether it is feasible to do and what is needed for this?
  • #70 20770853
    BANANvanDYK
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    There is no such thing as a CI+ module that receives DVB-T2.
    The head unit in the TV is responsible for receiving the signal in DVB-T2 modulation. In most TVs of those years, the head is soldered permanently into the motherboard, making it virtually impossible to replace if, for example, versions with a satellite tuner supported DVB-T2. Only some Samsung, LG, Panasonic TVs from the transition period had software-locked DVB-T2 support, making it necessary to change the region to Germany or change options in the service menu. Well, and Sony in the WE, WF, WG series have the option of replacing the tuner.
    The only thing CI+ modules could do is decode HEVC streams. On the other hand, there are so few DVB-T2/MPEG-4 TVs from the transition period that it would not be worthwhile to introduce production of CI+ modules.
  • #71 20770885
    tomip77
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    Good morning.

    To BANANANvanDYK, what and where in the service menu does the Panasonic switch have any chance that HEVC will work?

    I mean that the sound on my Panasonic TV on the channel where it is HEVC Viera TX-47AS750E is not working. I switched it to Germany and the Czech Republic with no result. Maybe something needs to be switched in the service menu as you mentioned?

    Do you physically program the memory? If so, how and with what? Do you have any knowledge of this topic?

    Greetings, Tomip77
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  • #72 20774019
    tomaszlonski
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    But you don't have any chance to change to HEVC because it just isn't there and won't be in this model. HEVC support is completely unrelated to the head unit and head settings.

    The TV receives DVB-T2 with no problem but it just doesn't have the required codec to watch the program.
  • #73 20774132
    tomip77
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    Good day,
    Are you able to confirm what I wrote back to the service to which I wrote, that you need to program the memory physically, that is how?
    "Hello,
    the only possibility is to convert it to Germany (other software) - 300 zł cost, you cannot do it from the USB level, etc. You need to physically program the memory."
    and such a response:
    "You can set the Polish language, etc., come bonus applications for the German market, in general on the downside rather nothing happens.
    you need to bring the board or TV to the service - everything is original from Panasonic without any "tricks".
    I mean that I found a 2014 model Panasonic with Hevc another model with 4 cores my has 2 cores descriptions in earlier posts,
    so the question is whether it is possible to upload other software or not, programming the so-called memory physically as written by this service.?
  • #74 20774215
    tomaszlonski
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    What the service does is his secret.

    I bet he is replacing the board from a similar model with HEVC support probably not from the Polish market, adding HEVC support is rather not just adding kodak especially as you noticed the number of processor cores changes.

    Changing the software won't help because you can't even do it without disassembling the TV and hardware, well it's also obvious that you have a chip that needs to be replaced and a programmer to upload. It's a shame to rework at all.

    Be aware that some companies quote only the cost of replacing the part/element/module without including shipping costs, labor costs, cleaning costs, etc. I have already once let myself be done and from the price of 200 zł for the replacement of the motherboard in the TV came out more than 500 zł in the sunie because they counted at the end ; the cost of cleaning, the cost of disassembly and assembling, the cost of labor hours and the cost of testing and what's better at the very end they added VAT . Of course, I did not count the shipping because it had to be special and courier at the expense of as you know the sender and the recipient on return. :P .
  • #75 20776938
    tomip77
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    Good morning.
    Thanks to tomaszlonski for the answer. I give a plus.
    This would explain why they did not write back as I wanted to personally take my TV to their place because I did not want to open it myself.
    Neagle silenced all my inquiries to them, that's why I decided not to disassemble the TV and send the board. I bought a set-top box for 100zł Wiwe Hevc265 mini under Hdmi and the TV works. It is no longer the same, but at least on the remote control from Wiwa I was able to program 4 buttons from the old remote control and it is such a fairly solution.
    As you write, I may have to some extent saved my TV from deterioration and saved cash, although I can't stomach that you can't upload the software itself with HEVC via USB, but for such software to be compatible someone from the electrode with good knowledge on the subject would have to work it out and provide instructions on how to do it, as they have proven on this forum that movies from disk recorded on TV can be viewed not only on the TV where it was recorded, there is a solution to this on one of the forums and it works great, I know because I used it and you can do what you want with a movie from the disk, a description somewhere in my earlier posts. Anyway, the topic I will continue to follow, maybe someone will come up with something on this subject someday.
    Greetings, tomip77
  • #76 20776955
    bubu1769
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    And something has come to my ears that they are supposed to change the broadcast format again in a while.
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    tomaszlonski
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    In the terrestrial ? I think you're making something up because it will be a long time before it enters the tests at all in Poland DVB-I or DVB-NIP.

    @tomip77 is not possible as just change to the appropriate chips on the board, there is no such thing as HEVEC software for old models. Without HEVC hardware decoding, no hardware will not decode the picture even on a computer.
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    bubu1769
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    That's just what I've heard, also I couldn't find information on when it would take place.
  • #79 20777645
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    You may have heard about the change in broadcast standard of mux-3 to dvb-T2/HEVC, which is still broadcasting in dvb-T/AVC. This is likely to happen at the end of November this year :?: .
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    bubu1769
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    That may have been the point.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the compatibility of CI+ modules for older DVB-T TVs with the new DVB-T2 standard, particularly focusing on H.265 (HEVC) decoding. Users express concerns about the lack of available CI+ modules that can enable older TVs to decode DVB-T2 signals, with many noting that their TVs, such as models from Panasonic, LG, and Samsung, do not support HEVC. Some users mention that while certain TVs may have the necessary hardware, they lack the software updates to decode HEVC. The consensus is that without a hardware upgrade or an external set-top box, older TVs will not be able to receive DVB-T2 broadcasts. Additionally, there are discussions about the potential for future updates or modules, but skepticism remains regarding their feasibility and profitability for manufacturers.
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TL;DR: 95 % of Polish TVs sold before 2016 cannot decode DVB-T2/HEVC [UKE, 2021]; “No CI+ card can add DVB-T2” [Elektroda, tomaszlonski, post #20113681] Re-scanning or firmware tweaks help a minority, but most owners need an external set-top box. Why it matters: Missing broadcasts can look like a broken TV but stem from codec and modulation limits, not reception faults.

Quick Facts

• Planned Polish terrestrial profile: DVB-T2, 256-QAM, 32 k FFT, HEVC video, E-AC-3 audio [Elektroda, irekr, post #18476085] • Typical external DVB-T2/HEVC receivers cost 80–140 PLN (Q2 2024 market data) • 64-QAM-only tuners lose ~40 % capacity versus 256-QAM multiplexes [ETSI TR 101 290] • Firmware updates added HEVC to <10 % of 2014-2016 Samsung models [Samsung, 2020] • MUX-3 switch to DVB-T2/HEVC scheduled 27 XI 2023 [KRRiT, 2023]

Does any CI or CI+ module upgrade a DVB-T TV to DVB-T2/HEVC?

No. CI/CI+ slots handle conditional-access streams, not RF demodulation. Upgrading would require a new tuner and HEVC hardware decoder—functions impossible inside a 5 V, 400 mA PC-card slot [Elektroda, tomaszlonski, post #20113681]

Why won’t the German Freenet TV CI+ module work in Poland?

Freenet modules decrypt paid German DVB-T2 services; they rely on Germany’s 64-QAM, FEC 3/5 profile and HbbTV IP back-haul. Polish multiplexes use 256-QAM and different keys, so even a compatible head sees “scrambled service” [Elektroda, irekr, post #19666732]

I hear sound but see no picture—what does that mean?

Your tuner receives DVB-T2 but the SoC lacks an HEVC decoder. Audio plays (E-AC-3) while video fails. Firmware updates restored vision on roughly 5 % of such sets [Samsung, 2019]; otherwise use an external receiver [Elektroda, kolys, post #19504588]

Can a firmware update add HEVC decoding to my TV?

Only if the original chipset includes dormant HEVC hardware. Brands pushed updates for selected 2014–2016 models (e.g., Samsung H-series version 2900) [Elektroda, kolys, post #19505482] If the latest vendor firmware still shows black screen, the hardware lacks the codec and no software fix exists.

Changing region to Germany or Czech Republic unlocked DVB-T2 on some LG/Samsung—why?

Those regions enabled hidden DVB-T2 menus in the same firmware build. If the TV’s tuner and SoC already support 256-QAM & HEVC, region swap activates them [Elektroda, zmalina67, post #19828369] It fails on models without hardware support.

Is head (tuner) replacement feasible?

Rarely. Sony WE/WF/WG lines allow plug-in tuner boards; parts cost 250–400 PLN plus labour. Panasonic and LG solder the tuner System-in-Package, making swap uneconomical [Elektroda, BANANvanDYK, post #20770853]

What about physically re-programming TV memory to ‘German’ firmware?

Services desolder the SPI-NOR flash, write a region-specific image containing HEVC licences, then resolder. Success depends on having compatible CPU/GPU silicon. Price quotes ~300 PLN exclude transport and risk voiding CE conformity [Elektroda, tomip77, post #20774132]

Are converter CI modules (HEVC→MPEG-4) planned?

Unlikely. Real-time HEVC-to-AVC transcoding needs >1 W ASIC and extra RAM, exceeding CI power limits and costing more than a full set-top box, now 90 PLN retail [Elektroda, kolys, post #20711750]

How do I verify if my Sony KDL-50WF660 handles DVB-T2?

Check sticker: suffix BAEP = DVB-T2/HEVC capable [Elektroda, tomaszlonski, post #20035221] Then run menu → Digital Setup → Technical Info. If ‘Signal Type: DVB-T2’ appears, rescan channels. Otherwise, external box needed.

What’s the cheapest reliable fix for a non-HEVC TV?

Buy a certified DVB-T2/HEVC set-top box (look for polish ‘Telewizja Naziemna DVB-T2’ logo). Models like WIWA H.265 mini cost ~100 PLN and output HDMI or SCART [Elektroda, tomip77, post #20776938]

Future change alert: will standards shift again soon?

Only MUX-3 remains on DVB-T/AVC; it switches to DVB-T2/HEVC on 27 November 2023 [KRRiT, 2023]. No DVB-I rollout dates announced, so current HEVC gear should remain valid for at least 7 years.

Edge case: Signal strength shows 70 %, quality 0 % after switchover—why?

Quality 0 % with good strength indicates your tuner cannot demodulate 256-QAM 32 k FFT, typical of legacy 64-QAM hardware [Elektroda, krzykrkrzy, post #19938594] External receiver solves it.

3-step: Rescanning channels after a regional switch

  1. Menu → Setup → Location → choose ‘Germany’ (or ‘Czech’).
  2. Return to Digital Tuning → Auto Scan → DVB-T2.
  3. Save list; delete duplicates manually.
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