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  • #1
    rafles.pl
    Level 2  
    Hello.

    I have a question. In connection with the future implementation of terrestrial television in the DVB-T2 standard, I have a question, has anyone seen the CI + module for older DVB-T TV with DVB-T decoding H.265 image from DVB-T2? Something like CI + Freenet TV modules used in Germany?
    Or is it too early for this question? :)
    Greetings.
  • #2
    irekr
    Moderator
    Way too early.
    To date, there is no decision on the details of the DVB-T2 encoding itself. Most likely it will be DVB-T2HD HEVC / E-AC3 - 64 or (rather) 256QAM and 32k mode. And the receiver should rather be able to decode H256. The German Freenet is something else, however.
    By the end of this year, everything should be clear regarding the transmission parameters.

    The last regulation states the following:
    "For DVB-T2, the basic parameters of the digital receiver defined in ETSI TS 101 154 [15] for level 4.1 HDTV: 50 Hz HEVC HDTV 8-bit (resolutions 1920 x 1080 p50, 1280 x 720 p50) MPEG-2 Audio Layer 2 and E-AC-3 audio. "
    See: Regulation of the Minister of Digitization of October 7, 2019 on technical and operational requirements for digital receivers.
  • #3
    sigwa18
    Level 39  
    I reheat the chop if there is a CI or CI + card extending to the dvb-t2 reflection. It's a pity to scrap my Panasonic tx-p42g20e for scrap.

    Unfortunately, if the TV head is not prepared for DVBT-2, such a card does not exist. It would have to have a head and a connection to the antenna. Some TV sets have a built-in DVBT-2 decoder (when it detects channels and there is only sound). Then it is usually enough to change the region to Germany (not the language, but the region / country).
  • #4
    irekr
    Moderator
    If you are from Krakow, you can test DVB-T2 - they have been broadcasting from Chor±gwica on k.27 for several days.
    I have not heard of such a card and I have a similar problem with the Panasonic 46-inch plasma that is difficult to part with ....
    Friends, Germans near Berlin, put an additional decoder for a similar plasma at home.
  • #6
    CodeBoy
    Level 28  
    I join the question of whether there is a C + module.
    In the Tri-City they have already tested Polsat News in this encoding and Samsung from 2014/15 and unfortunately only sounds, there is no picture.
    it's a bit of a poor generation of the next electro-waste.
  • #7
    sigwa18
    Level 39  
    Unfortunately, I have not found a module that would be able to add DVB T2 functions. From what I knew, the head requires changes because there is a different modulation.
  • #8
    CodeBoy
    Level 28  
    Thanks for the info, that is, you need to buy a converter, the 2015 TV massacre and such a flaw
  • #9
    kolys
    Level 20  
    If there is no picture but it plays sound and EPG, it means that the TV set has a newer T2 head but the processor or software cannot decode HEVC video. For some of these TVs, the manufacturer has created software updates that add support for HEVC decoding, so it's worth checking and updating. If there is no image on the latest software, it remains to buy a decoder or replace the TV. The solution could also be a CI module that converts HEVC video to MPEG4. Unfortunately, it seems that nobody came up with the idea to produce such modules and put them on sale. In the past, you could buy a CI module that converts MPEG4 video to MPEG2 because many TV sets only supported MPEG2 and in Poland only MPEG4 worked.
  • #10
    CodeBoy
    Level 28  
    kolys wrote:
    If there is no picture but it plays sound and EPG, it means that the TV set has a newer T2 head but the processor or software cannot decode HEVC video. For some of these TVs, the manufacturer has created software updates that add support for HEVC decoding, so it's worth checking and updating. If there is no image on the latest software, it remains to buy a decoder or replace the TV. The solution could also be a CI module that converts HEVC video to MPEG4. Unfortunately, it seems that nobody came up with the idea to produce such modules and put them on sale. In the past, you could buy a CI module that converts MPEG4 video to MPEG2 because many TV sets only supported MPEG2 and in Poland only MPEG4 worked.


    I have a Samsung connected to the Internet, but I don't know if it can update itself or if you need to download it from the net, Sony can do it by itself, but it's an older model and it doesn't even have sound, but I have no problem there because I have Canal + from the set-top box.

    I will check the model carefully tomorrow and read, thank you for the suggestions :)
  • #11
    Prof. SpecMiernik
    Level 27  
    CodeBoy wrote:
    I have Samsung connected to the Internet, but I do not know if it can update itself or if you need to download it from the net

    Most TVs with eth socket can update soft "by themselves". It only needs to be "commissioned" by a pilot.
    And even if it were not, what is the problem to download soft to the pen?
    It will not hurt to try, but I doubt that HEVC is only "turned off" programmatically and update will "turn it on".
  • #12
    CodeBoy
    Level 28  
    CI + module for DVB-T2 decoding - DVB-T2 module Unfortunately, the last update is from 2017, he made himself, it was selected to do it automatically. and I do not think that Samsung suddenly added support after 6 years. attached my TV model
  • #13
    kolys
    Level 20  
    The manufacturer's website has the latest update from November 2019. "Uprgrade file (USB type)" Version 2900.0
    https://www.samsung.com/pl/support/model/UE40H6400AWXXH/#downloads

    In the user manual there is information about the supported formats and it is on the HEVC list, but this information is related to the video file player. It is not known whether it also applies to terrestrial TV.

    Prof. SpecMiernik wrote:
    I doubt that HEVC is only "turned off" programmatically and updating it will "turn it on".
    It's not like it was turned off because that wouldn't make sense. The point is, it isn't there at all, or it's in an outdated, underdeveloped version that may not work properly. This codec was created in 2013 and was updated / improved every few years. A few years ago, the use of HEVC throughout the union was not forced as it is today, so the producers of some older TV models (but already with the T2 head) did not pay special attention to the shortages or errors in the software related to HEVC and now the software is improved. I also doubt that the update will enable the reception of HEVC, because older TV sets that meet these conditions are a few percent, but it is worth updating and checking that later, for example, not to regret.
  • #15
    misiek1111
    Level 29  
    CodeBoy wrote:
    generating more electro-waste.

    You can always buy an external set-top box.
    On the downside - a different remote.
    On the plus side - there are set-top boxes with two heads, you can record on HDD and copy material from HDD.
  • #16
    CodeBoy
    Level 28  
    kolys wrote:
    The manufacturer's website has the latest update from November 2019. "Uprgrade file (USB type)" Version 2900.0
    https://www.samsung.com/pl/support/model/UE40H6400AWXXH/#downloads

    In the user manual there is information about the supported formats and it is on the HEVC list, but this information is related to the video file player. It is not known whether it also applies to terrestrial TV.


    Well, unfortunately I have this version of the 2900 and it has not changed, the sound is there, the image is not. But thanks for your support.
  • #17
    tomip77
    Level 11  
    Good morning
    I also asked Panasonic about the CI decoding card, I have not received the answer yet, I only received info on the previous question about HEVC, whether there will be a software update for TVs from 2014, the content of the question:

    "Good morning"
    Will the LED TV VIERA TX-47AS750E 2014 and others receive the system update to the DVB-T2 / HEVC codec, which is to be the terrestrial broadcasting standard?
    Yours sincerely, Tomasz P.

    here is the answer
    :
    Dear Mr. Tomasz,
    Thank you for contacting Panasonic Polska Customer Service.
    TV models before 2016 only support the DVB-T2 standard with the MPEG4 (H.264) codec.
    TV models from before 2016 do not support the DVB-T2 standard broadcasted by the HEVC (H.265) codec.
    Only from 2017, when all the requirements of the DVB-T2 standard were finally described for the EU, our receivers began to support this standard.
    With the currently applicable terrestrial TV standards, this model does not support DVB-T2 HEVC, and it is not possible to correct it by software (with the new TV firmware).
    The implementation of this standard (DVB-T2 HEVC) requires hardware changes in the device.
    We recommend using an external tuner.
    For the compatibility of tuners, we recommend contacting the dealer or one of the Panasonic service centers.

    That's it for Panasonic.
    I'm a bit embittered, I'm not an electronics technician, let the experts say something, but this forum has already helped me with, for example, watching movies recorded on a hard drive connected to a TV, and it seems that nothing can be done, and yet one of the men on the forum found a way, and it is possible, not directly from the disk, but it is possible, and it pisses me off that you pay for the equipment, and as my colleague mentioned earlier, you have to buy something new again. CI, as for HEVC, some channel found is the sound of the image silent. I also give you the content of my inquiry regarding CI, but please do not laugh, because I am not a specialist, I do not need to know everything:


    'I have already given a question once and of course the answer is simple, you can't, you have to buy new or extra set-top boxes and other things that will be unnecessarily stuck on the shelf and 100 remotes for this. It's like with older generation phones, you can't, because the manufacturer does not support and stuff, and yet it is possible, because I did something myself, as if you can not upload new software to the old phone, and yet I uploaded somehow and the phone works even better than on the original, it is enough for someone to provide the manual and the software and many problems disappear.Example Lenovo Vibe K5, which has AN 5 by company, and I have uploaded AN 9, which I liked best, and there is even AN 10, or an old laptop IBM T43 single-core, like scrap, who would be there for before this era was not working, and yet the e-mail that I am writing from it works great, newer laptops crashed and it still works, it was enough for him to upload Linux. This is how companies care about ecology, as long as they buy new ones, and older equipment is electro-scrap. processor them st a little weaker does not mean that it will not pull the h265 codec, the voice somehow pulled in this HEVC, just update the codec add h265, it does not have to be in 4K but FULL HD, as much as it supports the TV, after all, a company such as Panasonic has technical facilities to try , or maybe for the CI (Common Interface) connector, release the card on older TVs,instead of pay-TV set-top box with HEVC codec, it would also be a solution if we are talking about buying something separate for the TV. The point is that it should not be integrated with the TV separately, because separately, you can always buy something else. Is it possible to produce something like that, or is it please let me know if it is possible to buy a card with the HEVC codec for the CI (Common Interface) connector. I know that there was an option like DVBT and there was a problem with the codec MPEG is what, through the CI was such a solution.
    Yours sincerely, Tomasz P.
    That's it, greetings forum electrode

    I add the following content on 03/10/2021, I still haven't received a response from Panasonic regarding CI and I don't think I will receive it. , new TV, I scanned the channels and found a few channels in HEVC, I add links to photos. What puzzles me is that none of them broadcasts in 4K, only in FD and even in SD, and I am of the opinion that older TV sets like my AS750E Viera after adding a codec would also rather support it, but this remains with the manufacturer, who will probably not release an update anymore and I will have to buy an external decoder.
    Greetings to the forum and forum members of the electrode. If any of the gentlemen would have any info about the CI card with HEVC, please let me know in this topic.

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  • #18
    tomip77
    Level 11  
    Good morning

    I read an interesting article on forum.emitel.pl, if it is not possible to post, please the admin for a correction

    New technical requirements for the NTC receiver in Poland (DVB-T2 / HEVC / AC-4) from 1.12.2019, and HbbTV 2.0.1 from 1.1.2021

    one of the gentlemen writes about the requirements for the processor and graphics

    Soft sound will pull every processor, but HEVC must be a graphics card. For this, Intel 6th generation or GTX 7xx (and newer of course) will suffice.

    page 13

    the other gentleman linked page 30 to the sample in HEVC. I downloaded it out of curiosity and played it on my T43 IBM 1.86 processor single-core 32 bit old flap, in VLC media player on Linux and surprisingly the sample was played normally, you can see this sample normally, my Panasonic TV from 2014, unfortunately, did not play it anymore. I found a channel on it with HEVC and there is only sound and EPG. So the question if such an old flap is able to reproduce the HEVC codec, then the TV from 2014 can't, weird ?. I put photos from my playback on the T43 laptop and info to the sample in HEVC from that forum.

    https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/4202045900_1634378090.jpg
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    https://filmy.elektroda.pl/95_1634378227.mp4




    Post by DanielK >>January 25, 2020 at 12:02 pm
    Current link to TS samples from DVB-T2 H.265 HEVC
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Efc80HUQCk1_6sctNsBr7oDaGSfqIJvW

    as I am on this page what these samples are, it takes me to such a link copied from the browser
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Efc80HUQCk1_6sctNsBr7oDaGSfqIJvW?usp=drive_open

    link to this page
    https://forum.emitel.pl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6453&start=580

    possibly I give a zip of what I downloaded


    I would be grateful if one of the experts from the ELEKTRODA Forum came up with something in this direction, but to somehow push the codec into the TV, because you can't count on the producer. If a Pole can do something, nobody can do something. in which section it was, it referred to playing movies from HDD from TV and, however, the way was found, you have to download it from the disk via the network in the Buble application or something like that and you can watch the movie on the phone or change it later on your laptop and, however, you can, You do not need to use the Tv remote Panasonic application and it worked, so maybe some professionals will come up with something in this direction.
  • #20
    Kleofas123
    Level 4  
    tomip77 wrote:
    The point is, it should be integrated

    The point is, you get a new TV. Only this and so much ...
  • #21
    tomip77
    Level 11  
    Good morning
    You're right when I asked Panasonic so silence in the air. Now I'm fighting TCL, my father bought a TV after 20 years to get rid of the set-top box, TV cool 4k, so I started scanning, in HD HEVC programs receive, but he found in SD HEVC 576p TVP ENTERTAINMENT, I took pictures earlier from SHARPA and this channel on SHARP works fine, and on TCL there is no image, only sound, so I wrote to TCL what is wrong, here is the answer:

    '' Your TV set supports the HEVC format and will receive channels in this standard without any problems and without the need to use a set-top box.
    However, at the moment the channels in this technology in Poland are broadcast for testing, so we cannot guarantee their correct reception. ''

    So I replied that if it does not receive the broadcast in this format, I give it a complaint, justifying that it does not meet the requirements that these TV sets should meet from 2017, and I keep the e-mails as evidence in this case. We will see what will come of it.

    I am giving the channel image from SHARPA and TCL
    From TCL, the same channel on the left SD 576p HEVC SHARP on the right

    I will continue to look for solutions until I buy a new TV or a decoder, I will not give up, I spent so much money on PANASON that I do not need another one, it has everything I need, and it should work for 20 years, I would just replace it, but I see it in black.
    Regards forum.
  • #22
    Kleofas123
    Level 4  
    tomip77 wrote:
    my father bought a TV after 20 years to get rid of the decoder

    And the use of a set-top box is so annoying that you have to buy a TV?
  • #23
    tomip77
    Level 11  
    Good morning
    The moderator drew my attention so I am correcting, if something is wrong, please let me know.
    I will not write here because it is not a matter of topic, there are pros and cons, you can read everything on the forum that I gave earlier, that's where they talk about using TV and a TV decoder, I am of the opinion what one of the gentlemen says, that's all about the topic My Panasonic has a dual PIP PAP PAT decoder and many other useful functions, and the use of one remote control is crucial for me, now they do not produce such anymore, and if the price is such that the car can be bought, at the price I bought from Panasonic, I cannot I will find another one with these functions that I have. I will only add that I also bought this TV after several decades because of these functions. what I needed and even more.
    I am adding a photo from PANASONICA with the processor model, if someone from the forum could give you a link to the description of what processor, because I can't find it, I will of course continue to look for the power and general data of this processor, the point is that if my old IBM T43 laptop pulled this codec, it could be some form of producer hooking on software update.
    I found such a CI card Irdeto MASCOM SKYLINK READY CI + module
    https://www.mall.cz/ca-moduly-karty/irdeto-mascom-skylink-ready-ci-modul?tab=description
    description in Czech, probably something like that in the card specification
    Podporované types of datových toků: HEVC, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, SD and HD
    Regards tomip77
  • #24
    irekr
    Moderator
    Request from the moderator:
    @ tomip77 - correct the spelling of this post ... mostly punctuation.
    Please...
  • #26
    irekr
    Moderator
    The descriptions state that it is used to receive the Skylink platform in satellite broadcasting and requires a built-in DVB-S / S2 decoder in the receiver.
    I haven't found anything about DVB-T / T2.
  • #27
    tomip77
    Level 11  
    Good morning
    To irekr Moderator, I do not want to return the guitar, generally speaking, that is only the satellite from what comes out, and this one, I can not find a detailed description

    https://pricing.co.uk/freenet-tv-ci-modu-dvb-t2-89997-a2166484.html

    freenet TV for antenna (DVB-T2 HD)

    freenet TV 89997
    freenet TV HD Modul incl. 1 Monat freenet TV für Antenne (DVB-T2 HD)

    Type CI +
    Card reader 0
    HEVC compression
    Special features of freenetTV including the card

    Or something like that to be soldered to the board, maybe it could do the trick:

    https://isdb-t.com/pl/product/dvb-t2-tv-modul...5-germany-2-tuner-diversity-mpeg4-high-speed/

    TV module DVB-T2 H265 Germany 2 tuner Diversity MPEG4 High Speed

    SKU: DVB-T2-H265 Categories: DVB-T2, DVB-T2 H265 Germany, Germany car TV, TV module Tags: COFDM transmitter and receiver module, DVB-T TV module, DVB-T2 H265 TV module, DVB- TV module T2

    I am asking for your understanding, I am not a specialist, I am looking for anything that has something to do with HEVC and TV
  • #28
    irekr
    Moderator
    ...
    "Freenet TV connect ist eine HbbTV-Plattform von Media Broadcast. Sie wird via DVB-T2 und DVB-S (Astra 19.2 ° Ost) verbreitet. Via DVB-T2 erfolgt die Verbreitung in einem Multiplex, welcher gemeinsam mit dem ZDF genutzt wird, in den jeweiligen DVB-T2-Inseln.
    ...

    In my free translation:
    "Freenet TV connect" is Media Broadcast's HbbTV platform (such as the German EMITEL).
    It is distributed via DVB-T2 and DVB-S (Astra 19.2 ° E).
    Through DVB-T2, distribution takes place in a multiplex that is shared with ZDF in a DVB-T2 package (Substream 1). "

    From what my colleagues from the vicinity of Berlin say, the main communication channel is broadcast in k.33 with a power of 50 kW (received in almost all of Brandenburg), but in DE the DVB-T2 parameters are quite different: 64QAM (in Poland 256 QAM ), FEC 3/5 GI 19/128. What is broadcast terrestrial serves as a menu only for launching the IP broadcast along with one-time keys through an ordinary computer network, similar to our Hbb TVP. However, the HEVC codec is sometimes used in Internet transmission.
    I have not tested the module, but the preliminary descriptions indicate that it is a specialized module ONLY for receiving the conditional offer. Maybe there is someone who has some experience with it, the module itself has been in production for about 10 years.

    The module given in the second link is actually dedicated to be mounted in the receiver, but there is no mention of HEVC at all.
  • #29
    tomip77
    Level 11  
    irekr wrote:
    ...
    "Freenet TV connect ist eine HbbTV-Plattform von Media Broadcast. Sie wird via DVB-T2 und DVB-S (Astra 19.2 ° Ost) verbreitet. Via DVB-T2 erfolgt die Verbreitung in einem Multiplex, welcher gemeinsam mit dem ZDF genutzt wird, in den jeweiligen DVB-T2-Inseln.
    ...

    In my free translation:
    "Freenet TV connect" is the HbbTV platform by Media Broadcast (such as the German EMITEL).
    It is distributed via DVB-T2 and DVB-S (Astra 19.2 ° E).
    Through DVB-T2, distribution takes place in a multiplex that is shared with ZDF in a DVB-T2 package (Substream 1). "

    From what my colleagues from the vicinity of Berlin say, the main communication channel is broadcast in k.33 with a power of 50 kW (received in almost all of Brandenburg), but in DE the DVB-T2 parameters are quite different: 64QAM (in Poland 256 QAM ), FEC 3/5 GI 19/128. What is broadcast terrestrial serves as a menu only for launching the IP broadcast along with one-time keys through an ordinary computer network, similar to our Hbb TVP. However, the HEVC codec is sometimes used in Internet transmission.
    I have not tested the module, but the initial descriptions indicate that it is a specialized module ONLY for receiving the conditional offer. Maybe there is someone who has some experience with it, the module itself has been in production for about 10 years.

    The module given in the second link is actually dedicated to be mounted in the receiver, but there is no mention of HEVC at all.



    Thank you for explaining this FREENET.

    And H265 is not HEVC or something else needs to be added, I am asking for this card, what could be soldered?
    DVB-T2 H265 TV module

    In general, a bit of a shit, I guess I'll just let it go for now.
    Maybe closer to 2022 something will start to happen on this topic.
    I asked about this PCB, because when we switched from SECAM to PAL, it was enough to buy a PCB, solder 2 or 3 cables to the PCB and the TV and the problem.
    I'm clinging to the topic, because if he took the TV on the old parameters even with a decoding card for 5 years, then you could think about a new, almost new and already old one. They will change something in broadcasting and a meatball.

    The DVBT board could look like this, the picture is only illustrative of course.
    Regards tomip77
  • #30
    Kleofas123
    Level 4  
    tomip77 wrote:
    Maybe closer to 2022 something will start to happen on this topic.

    And so many things start to happen that you will probably buy a new TV.