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Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

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  • Inspired by subsequent articles by my colleague tomybb, who presents us and successively shares his opinions about the tools he has, I decided to share with you my observations about precision screwdrivers of all types and various shapes. All in all, I was looking for the perfect screwdrivers for a while and I think I found them.

    I will share with you my opinion about screwdrivers as in the photo:

    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

    These are screwdrivers:
    - Dexter market set with replacement blades (set in box).
    - KWB insulated precision screwdrivers (set in box).
    - Wiha Precision ESD precision screwdrivers (there used to be a set on a stand, but the stand was lost).
    - Jonnesway precision screwdrivers (box set).
    - Wiha PicoFinish precision screwdrivers (set on stand).
    - Beco watchmaker's screwdrivers (set on a rotating stand).
    - Wera Kraftform Micro precision screwdrivers (2 sets on stand).

    The list is arranged according to subjective assessment.

    And now a description of individual screwdrivers

    1) Dexter set.
    I bought it 2 years ago in Leroy-Merlin when I was staying in France for 1.5 years. In fact, I only used it to tighten screws in my laptop and nail scissors. Screwdrivers of very poor quality, even though they were used for delicate work, the tip of the flat screwdriver was twisted, and the Philips screwdriver was "frayed". You can see the screws in the scissors and laptop were harder...
    Advantages:
    - price
    - 5-point screwdrivers included in the set
    Defects:
    - terrible/crappy quality
    - they don't fit well in the hand

    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions. Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

    2) KWB insulated precision screwdrivers.
    The set includes PH00,PH0,PH1,0.4x2.0,0.4x2.5,0.5x3.0.
    I bought the screwdrivers a few years ago at the Jula supermarket and they are still available there.

    https://www.jula.pl/catalog/narzedzia-i-maszy.../zestaw-wkretakow-do-prac-elektryczne-110020/

    I was tempted because I didn't have insulated precision screwdrivers, and it happened that these would be useful. At first glance they look solid, but this is not entirely true. The entire lower part of the screwdriver bends as if it were made of plastic, I have the impression that the steel tip does not "go" to the handle but is quite a short piece. The screwdriver does not fit well in the hand and the rotary cap does not turn very well. The rubber handle with protrusions does not make the screwdriver hold better, and it is also much too wide in relation to the size of the screwdriver. It is impossible to hold it comfortably with the whole hand, resting the cap on the pastern, or to hold it with the thumb and middle finger while supporting the cap with the index finger. I am definitely not happy with this purchase. When it comes to durability, it's hard for me to say anything, I used the screwdrivers several times and for not very heavy work - adjusting a non-insulated mounting potentiometer in a system operating at 230 V without galvanic separation (phase regulator with triac and twilight switch).
    Advantages:
    - easy to buy (Jula market)
    - screwdrivers are insulated
    Defects:
    - average/poor quality
    - screwdrivers bend
    - they don't fit well in the hand
    - the rotating cap rotates poorly

    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

    3) Wiha Precision ESD screwdrivers.
    This is the first set of branded precision screwdrivers that I bought a very long time ago (>15 years). When it comes to durability, I have no objections. Unfortunately, the screwdrivers do not fit well in the hand. The cap turns poorly. The handle is made of hard plastic. The size of the handle depends on the size of the screwdriver, which is annoying. Moreover, depending on the type of screwdriver, you have to hold it differently - the larger ones (3.0x50) hold OK if you support the cap with the palm of your hand, while the smaller ones hold badly. The stand was also bad, it tipped over easily. Even though the screwdrivers are durable and serve for many years, I am not satisfied with this purchase and I would not buy them again.

    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions. Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions. Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

    Advantages:
    - durable
    -ESD
    Defects:
    - they don't fit well in the hand despite the high price
    - different handle sizes
    - the hubcap rotates poorly
    - bad stand

    4) Jonnesway Torx precision screwdrivers.
    The set includes T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10.
    I bought them many years ago (>10). Overall, I'm satisfied. The screwdrivers feel good in the hand. You can work with them quite comfortably, either by holding them with your whole hand, resting the cap on the pastern, or holding them with your thumb and middle finger and supporting the cap with your index finger. They don't slip and the hubcap rotates quite decently. The material from which the handle is made is also quite ok. When it comes to quality, I have no objections, despite many years the screwdrivers have been used well and the tips have not been chipped. A PH/Flat set is also available.
    Advantages:
    - price
    - they fit well in the hand
    - quite durable
    Defects:
    - they could fit better in the hand
    - the hubcap could move more freely.
    - they are not made as a security version (with a hole)

    5) Wiha PicoFinish screwdrivers.
    I have the set as in the picture (PH00, PH0, 1.5mm, 2.0mm, 2.5mm, 3.0mm) and the "little ones" purchased separately: PH000, 1.2mm, 1.0mm, 0.8mm. These are the first precision screwdrivers that I was actually really happy with. I bought them 8-10 years ago. The screwdrivers are durable, none of them have worn out. They are made of material that fits well in the hand and does not slip. They are definitely much nicer to the touch than the previously shown Wiha ESD ones, which were made of terrible hard material. In the case of these screwdrivers, the handle material has some flexibility. The screwdrivers fit well in the hand. Here, however, I must emphasize that the smaller sizes with a slim handle fit really well in the hand. Unfortunately, the manufacturer decided to change the size of the handle depending on the size of the handle. The rotating cap moves ok, it could be a bit better. The stand is rather poor and falls over easily.

    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions. Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

    Advantages:
    - resilience
    - wide selection available
    - they fit well in the hand
    Defects:
    - price
    - variable handle size
    - at this price the hubcap could move better

    6) Beco watchmaker's screwdrivers (0.60 / 0.80 / 1.00 / 1.20 / 1.40 / 1.60 / 2.00 / 2.50 / 3.00 mm).
    Well, I've always liked screwdrivers like this and bought a set of these about 5 years ago. I'm really happy with it. Even though the screwdrivers have a small handle and a small cap, they fit perfectly in the hand. They are made entirely of metal, the handle is elegantly knurled. It is best to work with them in the position as in the photo - grip with the thumb and middle finger, supporting the cap with the index finger. The rotating stand is very nice, there is a container for spare tips inside. Yes, the fact that the tips are interchangeable is a very big advantage. The tips are cheap, easily available and even if something gets chipped, there is no point in regretting it. I often use these screwdrivers for work where I know that the screwdriver can be damaged - rusty screws, prying (I know, that's not what a screwdriver is for). The cap rotates really well, without resistance (although in the most luxurious watchmaking screwdrivers the caps are mounted on bearings, but such a set costs 3-4 times as much).

    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions. Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

    Advantages:
    - they fit great in the hand
    - very good turning cap
    - replaceable tips
    - (they look beautiful)
    Defects:
    - price (PLN 250-300)
    - due to the length of the tip, they are not suitable for screws embedded deeper in a narrow hole
    - poor availability of screwdrivers other than flat-head ones
    - working with the whole hand is not entirely comfortable.

    7) Wera screwdrivers.
    In fact, after buying Wiha and Beco screwdrivers, I thought I wouldn't buy any more. But 2 years ago I needed to buy small socket screwdrivers (wrenches) (3.2-6 mm). And here, due to immediate availability at TME, I bought Wera screwdrivers. When I grabbed them in my hands, I immediately knew that this was what I was looking for. They fit perfectly in your hand. They are made of a moderately hard material, and the colored part is made of some elastomer, which ensures that the screwdriver does not slip in the hand. The hubcap rotates perfectly. All screwdriver sizes have the same handle size. The screwdriver can be held well both with the whole hand, supported by the metacarpus (probably the most comfortable way), and with the thumb and middle finger. For me, the ergonomics of all other screwdrivers shown here are significantly worse. For me, these screwdrivers are simply perfect, just a "miracle". After this purchase, over half a year ago, I decided to buy a set of these screwdrivers (all available of a given type) - flat, Philips, Pozdriv, Torx (security version with a hole if the size allows it), Allen with a ball (metric), hexagon sockets (metric). In total, I have over 40 of them. The stands are also great. As I have other Wera tools and have never been disappointed in terms of durability, I hope it will be the same here.

    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.

    Advantages:
    - they fit great in the hand
    - the hubcap rotates great
    - wide selection - flat, Philips, pozdriv, torx, hexagon socket (including inch), tri-wing, socket (including inch), "five-spoke" torx (I forgot its name).

    The disadvantage (because there is only one) - high price.

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  • #2 18486573
    rosomak19
    Level 23  
    Recently, in a supermarket chain in L, I spotted a nice set with various rarest tips. The set also includes a small rattle. I don't know what the durability of the bits themselves will be, but for now it's OK. The most important thing is that now I will have something to disassemble some chargers, irons and other devices with fancy screws, ranging from three-pointed stars to torx screws with a pin in the middle. For this purpose, you can use the screwdriver handle from the wrench set, or the included ratchet with an extension and a nice bit assembly. Also in my case, these small metal screwdrivers go to the trash, because they can never unscrew anything.
  • #3 18486729
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Of the above, I would also choose Wera. Their handles are really ergonomic, which is why some other manufacturers copy them. At the end of the work, it would be useful to add a "screwdriver" to the set. :D
    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.
    They also introduced something like Lasertip, I wonder how it works in practice?
    Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions. Precision screwdrivers, comparison of several, my impressions and opinions.
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  • #4 18486899
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    E8600 wrote:
    They also introduced something like Lasetip, I wonder how it works in practice?

    I have one (PH1) and have been using it for about 10 years. Quite intensively - sometimes a hundred screws tightened/loosened a day.
    After about 2 years, most of the incisions went away (Did they disappear - did they wear off?). To this day, there are no traces of the laser on them, but they still hold well (though - I admit - not as well as at the beginning) "with the screws". I remember that when I bought them (I still have 0.5/3.0 flats) they cost about PLN 50 each. However, considering durability and comfort of use - it is worth the price.
  • #5 18488528
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    Nice test and I will have to take a look at the screwdrivers you promote.
    Besides, you have quite a collection.
  • #6 18488629
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    Has anyone tested Proxxon precision screwdrivers?
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  • #7 18488765
    paluszasty
    Level 25  
    E8600 is a "screwdriver" that is most useful after work... I don't have it in my collection because the price is discouraging.
    Lasertip looks nice, but you can see that the durability of this solution is so-so. I guess it makes more sense for the beats

    sheryf3 the collection is actually quite large, but as I wrote, it has been collected over the years - some of it "goes to work", some of it is "stationary". I also had gooldtool screwdrivers, terrible crap, the blades wore out very quickly. I have to look for them because I also have CK Xonic XM precision screwdrivers (Allen keys), so I will also share my opinion about them.

    Personally, I've never had them. A friend of mine has such a set and is satisfied. I don't know which one, because there are two variants:
    https://robo-kop.com.pl/s/36-29524-0-PROXXON-28148-zestaw-wkretaki-precisee-15-sztuk-.html
    https://alnar.pl/proxxon-zestaw-wkretakow-prezentych-micro-pr28148-p-8823.html

    I think I saw this variant 1, from what I had in my hand it seemed "too" rubbery. When I see him, I will investigate the matter and share it with you.

    Bahco screwdrivers may be interesting, e.g
    https://phuabc.com.pl/zestaw-24szt-wkretakow-...MIyIu54u7n5wIVhLHtCh3_hgJ-EAQYAyABEgJ7O_D_BwE
    I have a lot of keys from them, I am satisfied, I had their insulated screwdrivers in my hand and they fit very well in my hand. I won't do a test here, none of my friends seem to have them, and I don't plan to buy another set in the next few years.
  • #8 18488981
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    paluszasty wrote:
    but you can see that the durability of this solution is so-so


    Why is it "visible"?
  • #9 18489000
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    These laser grooves lasted about two or three years. Is this not enough for constant and quite intense use?
    In fact, when it was new and had these notches, you could even feel that there was no desire to "get it" - you had to be careful not to damage the screw - as you were used to previous screwdrivers - such was the solid "connection" between the screw and the screwdriver. After some time, when they started to wear out and wear off, the effect faded a bit. Still, it's probably the most durable PH1 I've ever had (and I have some...).
    And as I wrote, I still have it and use it and I have no major complaints. It will sooner destroy the cuts on the screw head than show any signs of damage itself.
  • #10 18489212
    paluszasty
    Level 25  
    yogi009 meant that these grooves "are wearing off" as he wrote "398216 Deleted". However, the rest of the screwdriver is probably still very durable.
  • #11 18489542
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    I was wondering how you do it, so you can see from the new screwdriver (which you don't have) that these laser grooves are unstable. But ok, it was just a happy taunt :-)
  • #12 18489563
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    paluszasty wrote:
    these grooves are "wearing out"
    398216 Usunięty wrote:
    These laser grooves lasted about two or three years. Is this not enough for constant and quite intensive use?
    I consider the laser gouging issue resolved.
  • #14 18489612
    paluszasty
    Level 25  
    yogi009 some of my screwdrivers actually come from this set, the rest are purchased individually.
  • #15 18489615
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    Can you give me the one with the notches (index number)? Maybe this is an idea to hold the screws at the end...
  • #17 18489657
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    OK thanks. This caliber is not for me :-)
  • #18 18489713
    paluszasty
    Level 25  
    yogi009 I understand that you would like precision screwdrivers with lasertip? Unfortunately, I haven't seen any of these.
  • #19 18489782
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    Yes, I am interested in small calibers of good quality. I've been using Jonnesway for a year now, the box has been glued for a long time and half of the ends are rounded :-) Overall, they weren't bad, but they would like to change for the better.
  • #20 18489877
    Nerwus
    Level 18  
    yogi009 wrote:
    Has anyone tested Proxxon precision screwdrivers?


    I have them at work and compared to Wera and Wiha they are weak. I love Proxxon keys.
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  • #23 18490946
    paluszasty
    Level 25  
    E8600 - Wera does not specify what steel the screwdrivers are made of, or at least I have not found such information. All in all, the question is interesting, and it could be determined by a fairly simple analysis, but I guess I'm not so determined to dissolve (or more precisely dissolve) a piece of a screwdriver in acid/a mixture of acids. Wiha states that precision screwdrivers are made of chrome-vanadium-molybdenum steel, and others (e.g. up to 1000 V) are made of chrome-vanadium steel.

    True, this ratchet is quite expensive, but the price is comparable to ratchets from other manufacturers of a similar class (Bahco, Beta, Facom, etc.). I don't have this ratchet and haven't seen it in person, but the extension option seems interesting to me. The idea of using a rattle as a hammer - well, even if the manufacturer says you can, I would rather not use a rattle for this purpose. All in all, these Wera rattles (Zyklop, Koloss) seem interesting to me, but I probably won't buy them soon - I already have Proxxon and Bahco.

    Poverty and misery - Proxxon, well, makes nice tools at a good price, clearly lower than the "top" brands Bahco, Beta, Facom or Koken. I have open-end and combination wrenches and 3 ratchets and I am satisfied. I have never personally owned screwdrivers from this manufacturer. My friend has one and I know he is satisfied (actually, I recommended Proxxon to him), but I don't know about the ergonomics, but I will try to verify it. There are no opinions about Sata screwdrivers at all, I haven't had any tools from this manufacturer in my hand. However, based on the photos, I bet that they will not be as comfortable to hold as the Wiha ESD screwdrivers I presented.

    I also have some PB Swiss Tool screwdrivers at work, such as:

    https://www.elfadistrelec.pl/pl/wkretak-wkret...k-180-mm-pb-swiss-tools-pb-100-180/p/30087701

    Although at first glance the material the handle is made of is not attractive, the screwdrivers fit well in the hand and the tips have not worn out despite many years of use. I probably wouldn't have bought these screwdrivers myself, but they were included in the set with the equipment.
  • #24 18490962
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    Yes, durability, precision and ergonomics. Are we not expecting too much? :-)
  • #25 18491096
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Because today the world is turned upside down, what matters is marketing. Some people boast that they add molybdenum, although this is not true, e.g. Yato boasts about it and screwdrivers are too cheap for it to be true.
    You can compare the weight where there is really molybdenum - it is lower in weight compared to CrV steel (this may be a problem with small screwdrivers).
  • #26 18491121
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    E8600 wrote:
    You can compare the weight where there is really molybdenum - it is lower in weight compared to CrV steel (this may be a problem with small screwdrivers).
    There is a problem in everyone. If you weigh the mass without knowing the capacity of the material, what will it give you?
    Sometimes the appearance alone allows you to judge the quality - most often the ends. Unfortunately, only sometimes - I have already encountered black painting to replace the hardening of the blade, or matting the tip itself to suggest greater hardness. The truth is that even at the current price, it's hard to know what you're actually dealing with; therefore, this type of tests and exchange of opinions is (at least in my opinion) irreplaceable.
    Once upon a time, a long time ago (around the beginning of the 1990s), in an inconspicuous local shop, I bought a set of screwdrivers, a few PH, a few flat ones - nothing special. I bought it because the price was quite affordable and "made in Germany" tempted me.
    It turned out that the quality and, above all, durability are really good. A few months later I saw an identical-looking set in an OBI or another Castorama - I bought it because my brother wanted a set for garage repairs. With some sixth sense, I decided to take a closer look at them and it turned out that only the appearance of the original ones (bought earlier) was the same. As a result, my brother didn't get the screwdrivers, I wasted about PLN 100, and the screwdrivers went to the trash because I couldn't even unscrew a single screw...
  • #27 18491131
    yogi009
    Level 43  
    Do these micro screwdrivers from Proxxon have a given alloy composition?
  • #28 18491186
    E8600
    Level 41  
    You need to test in the store before purchasing. :D
    Recently I saw a badly ground PZ Yato screwdriver on a store shelf, I don't know if someone replaced it or tested it, or maybe the store staff handled it that way.
    I have an old flat screwdriver with a wooden handle that is difficult to use, unknown brand? The modern equivalent of the look turned out to be shoddy.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around various precision screwdriver sets, with users sharing their experiences and preferences. Key brands mentioned include Wera, Wiha, Proxxon, and Jonnesway, with specific models like Wera Kraftform Micro, Wiha PicoFinish, and Proxxon Precision ESD highlighted. Users appreciate the ergonomic design and durability of Wera screwdrivers, while some express concerns about the longevity of laser-etched features on Wiha tools. Proxxon is recommended for its quality at a reasonable price, and there are discussions about the effectiveness of different materials used in screwdriver construction, such as chrome-vanadium and molybdenum steel. The conversation also touches on the practicality of various screwdriver tips for specialized screws and the importance of testing tools before purchase.
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