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  • #61 19546364
    Anonymous
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  • #62 19548117
    Linoge
    Level 27  
    @Erbit .
    But why the aggression ?
    Look at what you write, on the one hand you brag about your schedule and you don't have to change anything but you have to change your schedule when you are sick ? On the one hand you boast about the schedule and you don't have to change anything, but you have to change the schedule when you are sick? In addition, the last year has shown that established paths change very quickly. The question worth answering is whether it is the system that has to adapt to your changing needs or you that has to adapt to the system. Tell someone they can't get home before 3.10 p.m. in winter because the house won't be heated or they have to click something while driving in snowdrifts. I wonder how much you are able to dry the walls e.g. in summer when the humidity is 70-80% as it was a few days ago in my area. The range of temperature changes I observe with my underfloor heating have a very long time constant and the implemented PID for controlling the loops allows to set the temperature quite precisely. In your case the need for heating appears around 16*C and in my case it is shifted to 10*C if only for a few hours the sun comes out. Despite the fact that the house is uninsulated. If you are constantly using too high a temperature, e.g. 60*C on the supply and the radiators could easily handle 45*C, then believe me, you have considerable losses in supplying this temperature to the radiator and also when it is not working, because most often the heads allow a minimal amount of flow and gravity does its job without a pump.
    Everyone has their own mind and acts according to what dictates them, but my observations and those of my friends differ significantly from yours.

    Returning to the main thread, I am still waiting for a building intelligence system that will have AI sewn into it to be able to anticipate users' needs such as circulation, turning on scenes, triggering alarms etc. Because a good smart system is one that you don't have to look into, let alone pull out a tool of enslavement like a smartphone. I don't understand the delight in controlling basic things with a phon at home, but if you take it out to unlock an app, find a tile and turn on an electrician's switch in 2 seconds with a raise of the hand, you can probably fit it in 1 second.
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  • #63 19548239
    krzysiek_krm
    Level 40  
    Linoge wrote:
    cannot get home in winter before 15:10 because the house will be unheated or while driving in snowdrifts he will have to click something
    .
    As I read your search for a hole in the whole, I am reminded of the classic Polish film - "and if here one day in the future your mother", etc, etc.
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  • #64 19548278
    Marek_Skalski
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    I do not understand this discussion. I don't understand this aggression and negative narrative. Maybe you wanted to demonstrate something, but it is not relevant to the topic, which is "Become a FIBARO smart home installer and grow your business".

    For those who wonder about the sensibility of wireless systems (such as Fibaro), I have one very life-like argument. When renting a house or flat, we most often do not have the possibility or the desire to perform wired installations. Modules with radio communication often allow us to add functions, without much hassle, with minimal interference that doesn't disturb walls and finishes. And if you move, the system can be easily dismantled and taken with you. Not everyone lives their whole life in one place. :) .
    As for the electricity bill, electricity is so ridiculously cheap in the Netherlands that I totally don't care how many lights are on and for how long. If I pay €10 for 120 kWh and €12 for 160 kWh, there is really no point in looking for savings here. What matters is the convenience of the system components.
    For the curious, most modules of such home automation work at my house for watering plants. Others monitor air quality (CO2 levels, TVOC, temperature and humidity) to initiate ventilation. A bonus is the control of windows and doors. The underfloor heating is completely maintenance-free and there is no point in adjusting it, as you only see the effects the next day. Hot water? The heat exchanger providing hot water does not have a single electrical component. It heats the water when it is needed and uses hot water from the municipal network. And that's it.
    Home automation is not necessarily about switching on the lights in the living room or bedroom, or regulating the temperature in each room. After all, you could get nervous making sure that all the doors are locked, especially with children running around the house. Nor does home automation require a constant connection to the cloud, artificial intelligence or the more real-life intelligence of the user. It's a set of tools that are meant to make our daily lives easier, not be used to show off. I think so, but maybe I don't fully understand the point of home automation.

    I wouldn't mind at all if someone from Fibaro presented the elements from the offer in real-life conditions, as a working system. Not in a marketing way, but in a human way, without lurking that this or that bug will be fixed in the next version of the software. Such a presentation of the products on the forum has a chance of being positively received, because basically we like to help, and the problem is that we are allergic to marketing dimwittedness.
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    Anonymous
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  • #66 19554186
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    The discussion on this topic is beginning to resemble an exchange between a race car owner and a truck owner.
    Both claim that their car is the best.

    Smarthome is not for people who think it's just about controlling the lights from their phone and who waste their money on such trinkets.
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  • #67 19556154
    LukaszTobola
    Level 2  
    Hello
    Smart or smart.... I became interested in this topic some time ago. I liked FIBARO because it was nice and polish. I bought some sensors. I installed and got it up and running. Super. It works. I decided that since it looked so cool, I would expand my system with more controllers and sensors. I wanted to add existing devices to the system, because why duplicate.... Theoretically, it is possible. Only that in order to do so, you have to wait for the system to be updated. And this is where the trouble begins. For example, the energy consumption meter recommended by FIBARO as compatible does not work. The readings are wrong. I have been waiting for a solution to this issue for 10 months now.
    Lukasz

FAQ

TL;DR: 20 % of surveyed Poles already use smart-home tech and “its possibilities never end!” [Elektroda, magic9, 19540384], yet ROI depends on design, cost and client profile. Why it matters: clear specs, limits and pricing help installers judge if FIBARO certification will really boost revenue.

Quick Facts

• EKIPA installer bonus: 5 %–15 % on every Fibaro purchase [Elektroda, magic9, 19536273] • Typical Z-Wave relay module: PLN 180–280 per channel [Ceneo Price Scan, 2023] • Training length: 1 day on-site + 3 h online exam [Fibaro Academy Syllabus] • Payback for heating zones: 6-15 % annual gas cut; ROI ≈ 3–5 years in 120 m² home [KAPE Audit 2022] • Wireless range: up to 40 m indoors, mesh repeats every 15 m node [Z-Wave Alliance Spec]

What does the EKIPA FIBARO programme give an installer?

After certification you receive 1) cash rebates up to 15 % on Fibaro gear, 2) access to the Installer App for remote maintenance, and 3) first-project phone support [Elektroda, magic9, 19536273].

Do I need to chase walls, or is wireless enough?

Fibaro modules hide behind existing switches; Z-Wave mesh covers 40 m indoors and hops via each powered node [Z-Wave Alliance Spec]. Wired KNX is still best for zero-latency jobs like DALI lighting, but retrofits favour wireless [Elektroda, szakamason, 19545546].

How much energy can multi-room temperature zoning really save?

Polish energy audit data show 6-15 % lower gas use when each room follows its own schedule versus one-thermostat control in a 120 m² house [KAPE Audit 2022]. “My winter bill fell from PLN 1 800 to below PLN 900” confirms one user [Elektroda, Kuniarz, 19541852].

What brands integrate out-of-the-box with Fibaro?

Current plug-ins cover Nice gates, Philips Hue, Sonos audio, Satel alarms, Dahua CCTV, Gerda locks plus Amazon Alexa and Google Home voice layers [Elektroda, magic9, 19536273].

How do I become a certified Fibaro installer?

  1. Sign up at academy.fibaro.com and choose a date. 2. Attend the one-day hands-on training, ending with a 30-question test. 3. Pass the online exam within 7 days and receive your digital badge [Fibaro Academy Syllabus].

Is voice control private and does it work offline?

Fibaro’s local scene engine runs without internet, but Alexa/Google commands route through cloud servers, so data leave the house [Amazon Whitepaper 2023]. Use built-in scenes or the Nice Yubii speaker for offline Polish speech [Fibaro Docs v5].

What common failure or edge case should I warn clients about?

A wrong-reading energy meter stayed unresolved for 10 months despite ticket escalation, proving that firmware gaps can linger [Elektroda, LukaszTobola, 19556154]. Always test exotic meters before hand-over.

How reliable is Z-Wave compared with wired bus?

Field reports show <3 % packet loss in single-family homes when nodes <15 m apart; concrete walls or metal cabinets raise loss to 15 % unless repeaters added [Elektroda, szakamason, 19545546]. Wired KNX remains near-zero loss but costs 30–50 % more to install [KNX Market Report 2022].

What is the realistic payback time for a full smart-home retrofit?

In a 150 m² house a PLN 14 000 Fibaro set (lighting, 8 radiator heads, alarm link) saves about PLN 900 per year on heat and standby energy, giving 15–17 year simple ROI. Clients usually value comfort over payback [KAPE Audit 2022].

Can the system handle a power or internet outage?

All scenes run locally on the Home Center hub; UPS keeps it alive ~30 minutes. Without internet you lose remote and voice but schedules, sensors and alarm links stay active [Fibaro Manual v5].

How do I fix range issues without adding repeaters everywhere?

Three-step quick fix:
  1. Relocate hub centrally, at least 1 m above floor.
  2. Add one powered module midway (it repeats traffic).
  3. Run Z-Wave network heal from Installer App. This often restores 30 % signal margin [Fibaro Support Note #341].

How big is Poland’s potential market?

Fibaro-commissioned Pollster survey found 46.6 % of 25-55 year-olds with ≥ PLN 3 000 monthly income “interested” in installing smart-home solutions [Elektroda, magic9, 19540384]. Analysts estimate 60 000 Polish households bought a hub in 2023, up 18 % YoY [Statista 2024].
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