Best Solutions for Integrating Underfloor Heating with Home Assistant

Hi,
as I am currently planning a home installation and have already apparently become infected with smart home ( ) I would like to ask you about recommended solutions for controlling underfloor heating that could also be integrated with Home Assistant.

It looks like there will be 2 manifolds for the underfloor, so sections of each would be nice to control.

I was thinking of using some room controllers for the box with the possibility of connecting an additional sensor in the floor.
For example, I found such a controller https://kotlarze.pl/btr230-20-przewodowy-podt...-dobowy-230v-bialy-montaz-do-ramki-55x55.html which
+ visually is nice (props to the wife ),
+ has an input for an additional floor sensor,
+ allows local control in a particular room
- I guess there is no possibility of central control
- controls on/off and rather does not make the measured temperature available

Alternatively it looks quite interesting e.g. https://www.speckable.pl/pl/product/31862,ter...wy-z-wifi-i-wyswietlaczem-led-ip30-ht-08-volt
+ visually ok
+ has an input for an additional floor sensor
+ allows local control in a particular room
+ has control by WiFi, where according to promotional pictures it is also possible to read the temperature
- control by the manufacturer's app, initially I do not see integration with something from the outside
- looking at the number of errors on the manufacturer's website (https://voltpolska.pl/dom-i-ogrod/comfort-ht-08-przewodowy-wi-fi-termostat-do-ogrzewania-podlogowego.html), e.g. power supply from 2300V suddenly a different display under the same designation HT-08 etc..., then I'm getting some doubts

If the temperature controller in question controls the room in which it is located by itself, then I understand that it only needs an electro-valve in the manifold box like e.g. https://kociolkowo.pl/salus-t30nc-elektrozawor-do-ogrzewania-podlogoweg,3,17914,14034 which will let water into the corresponding heating loop.

I've also seen solutions where some master controller sits in the manifold box and I guess that it then only has remote sensors/manipulators.... hmm... Is there any advantage to such a solution?


On the one hand I don't want to overdo it, on the other hand it would be nice to have control over the heating so that I don't unnecessarily heat half the house just to make it warm enough in a certain place and adjust the operation to the day/week cycle....

krisRaba wrote:

smart home

as such, the control functions are taken over by the main controller.
It switches circulating pumps rather than solenoid valves.
A well thought-out sensor network is needed,
especially temperature.

Hmm, I don't know exactly what the best solution is. Being able to read and set locally without running around with a tablet or smartphone is also nice
When there are signals to the solenoid valves, their "OR" can issue a signal to the gas boiler that it needs to heat because there is a demand somewhere.
I've heard somewhere that there are also inventions such that when all the valves close, the boiler detects this and stops pushing on the closed manifolds, but I don't know if this is closer to standard these days or still an exotic feature...

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gbksiazczak wrote:

the control functions are taken over by the main controller.

Generally the IoT in my view is a million actuators, just communicated that such a master controller or Home Assistant can tell anyone what to do, i.e. set a setpoint in the case of heating control. This doesn't necessarily mean that the HA puts its PID to everything
The circulation pump could be one such controlled circuit, although if it can be handled from the simple logic that if something wants to heat, it heats, then there's nothing to make miracles on a stick either I guess.

Standards do not yet exist for the whole, only for individual components.
Almost every installation is a separate "invention".
With a tablet or smartphone you do not have to run,
you can sit comfortably or lie down
and for such a canned display you have to approach.

And the latter option will probably be loved by 80% of the household and most of the guests (those staying for a weekend or something, because the two-hourly ones will probably ask the host )

In confirmation, I will say that my wife preferred the manual blinds.... On the other hand, I found that I was not going to dance around it day in and day out


It is intended that everything should work normally and be operated by laymen (non-technical), even when smarthome is uprooted

And the bits are for the willing and willing to keep this and that in check, automate something, etc. .

krisRaba wrote:

Hmm, I don't know exactly what the best solution is.

Hmmm, I don't know all the more. You can have full manual control with switches
and ball valves, you can have thermostats and solenoid valves, you can and smart home...
Everything costs money though.... This makes the choice easier.

krisRaba wrote:

I would like to ask you about recommended solutions for controlling underfloor heating, which could also be integrated into Home Assistant

Hmm, in the main topic so far no response :-/ Hopefully something will move after the weekend, maybe as a springboard at work or something .

@ElektrodaBot maybe you can suggest some control for underfloor (water) heating that can be integrated into the Home Assistant environment?
You will need 2 manifolds for the underfloor heating as there are 2 floors. There should be an air and floor temperature sensor in each room. A thermostat with the possibility of setting the temperature by the household members in the room or via WiFi connectivity is also welcome. Thanks to the integration with Home Assistant, it should also be possible to adjust after WiFi from a tablet.

gbksiazczak wrote:

Standards do not yet exist for the whole, only for individual components.

I found something like SALUS.
https://salus-controls.en/salus-smart-home/page-glow-sh/

Benefits: Unofficial operation with HA, in case of a net or HA 'failure' it is a locally normal running system.
Disadvantages: "Unofficial" support, runs through their api i.e. via the cloud.

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I ordered this Volt with the black negative display as a trial and quickly sent it back. Somehow it worked strangely, the touch buttons in my opinion worked poorly, not sure if it caught on or not.... In the instructions, for example, the info that you have to hold down two buttons to enter a certain menu.... and here nothing happens :/ And overall feeling rather average...

I also ordered some other thermostat, but did not realise that they have two versions, with and without WiFi.... well guess which one I took by accident, lol


The matter is somewhat simplified by the integration of local Tuya. Devices that officially work with Tuya, and there are some, can then (after taking over the keys) be disconnected from the network and work locally.
This way, there is no longer any need to change firmware etc. to say goodbye to the cloud.