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Remote differential switching - how to do it? Methods and equipment.

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  • #1 20668714
    palmus
    Level 34  
    Hello
    I had this situation happen to me. Just before going on holiday the differential fell down. Luckily not 3 hours later.There are strategic appliances hanging on it: 2 fridges and a central heating boiler.
    It is difficult to say what the reason was, it happened maybe 2 times in 4 years. I thought of a way to inform remotely about the situation, but more importantly to switch it on again but not with the finger of the absentees.
    Anybody has any idea how to solve this?
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  • #2 20668734
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    Re-engagement can be done with a phone call to a family member or neighbour with the keys to our house :)
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  • #4 20668783
    Adam-T
    Level 41  
    78db78 wrote:
    I used to stock such a vending machine
    And interestingly there are these machines for sale on a regular basis (a colleague gave a link to an archive auction) ;)
  • #5 20668878
    palmus
    Level 34  
    Not a bad idea, but I would have to change the switchgear because it's already cramped and this one is probably 2-3 modular.
    In the meantime, I found something like this ( Tuya). The question is whether it has enough power...

    Remote differential switching - how to do it? Methods and equipment. .
  • #6 20669145
    78db78
    Level 43  
    >>20668783
    this was an example of a device
  • #7 20669157
    palmus
    Level 34  
    Yes yes, I am still looking for something like that.
  • #8 20669684
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    Now get an electrician to take measurements and find out what is causing the switch to malfunction !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • #9 20669716
    palmus
    Level 34  
    This is not what I asked. Diagnosis takes time.
    An attachment to the differentiator costs over 1000zl.I probably won't give that much.
  • #10 20669813
    Baskhaal
    Level 19  
    Somehow, my pineal gland was pricked and a thought occurred to me - since the differential has tripped is it a good idea to switch it back on without supervision/control/presence? All in all, it's a safety apparatus for a reason
    Apparently nothing but .... somehow a slight uneasiness sets in.
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  • #11 20669818
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    That is why, in post #2, I suggested a cheap and safe temporary solution to the problem :)
  • #12 20669874
    palmus
    Level 34  
    But I need to know that the differentiator worked.
    I see that the Chinese have electronic.To short-circuit in Tuya Zigbee.
    I will just check their reliability.
  • #13 20669982
    Ktoś_tam
    Level 39  
    palmus wrote:
    But I need to know that the differential worked.
    palmus wrote:
    But I need to know that the differential worked.
    I'll just check their reliability.
    I still make myself an overcurrent circuit breaker so that it automatically turns on by itself. The differential will not always disconnect the circuit, sometimes an overcurrent circuit breaker will. But why complicate matters? If the RCD is supposed to switch on as it goes off regardless of the reason for the switch off then maybe bypass it, so do the same with the overcurrent circuit breaker, especially as they can't always be lifted? Of course this is such a joke
    Seriously your idea is of the silly kind. You can't always turn it back on if there's a leak or short circuit and then what? Your plan will go...
    Let me guess, you have 1 RCD for the whole thing? Even if you don't, it's much more sensible to protect sensitive circuits with separate RCDs, then flooding a circuit outdoors/field won't cause the fridge to switch off. It's so simple, reliable and functional, but no, it's better to put in a prosthesis which may not work anyway.
    Fuses very rarely switch off without reason.
  • #14 20670008
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    palmus wrote:
    But I need to know that the differential tripped.


    SMS notification implemented on Arduino + GSM module via relay which will let off as the power goes out in the socket with the fridge.
  • #15 20670019
    Adam-T
    Level 41  
    hindoos wrote:
    through a relay which will let go when the power goes out

    And if the power goes out from the utility will there be a notification too? ;)
    Instead of a relay, add an auxiliary contact to the differential or fuse, depending on what is to be monitored.
    palmus wrote:
    To be wired in Tuya Zigbee.

    Is this a differential only for the kitchen or for the whole flat? Because if the whole flat then I'm guessing the internet will be gone too....
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  • #16 20670025
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    Adam-T wrote:
    And if the power supply disappears will there be a notification too?

    Powering the Arduino from the battery, it's quite obvious :) in principle it could simply switch on after a power outage and immediately after logging on to the GSM network send an SMS notification, the problem with the module hanging up would be eliminated.
  • #17 20670029
    Adam-T
    Level 41  
    You misunderstood me, I meant the notification (redundant) after a mains power failure. ;) .
  • #18 20670038
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    In my opinion, even if the entire power grid is down, this information is as sensible and useful as possible :) all the more so if the power goes down for a longer period of time and thaws (and then re-freezes in our absence) our food - a potentially health-threatening situation. You could say it's such an extra feature ;) .
  • #19 20670391
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    The whole topic going in the direction of powdering the syph, heading for the bin.... This is not what we do. If the RCD is working, there is a cause and it must be found and eliminated....
  • #20 20671038
    pikarel
    Level 38  
    Strumien swiadomosci swia wrote:
    The whole subject going to powder syph, heading for the bin.... This is not how we do things. If the RCD is working then there is a cause and it must be found and eliminated....

    .... including the possibility that the RCD itself may be allowed to fail, just like any other product containing electronics inside.
    Unless I am unaware of something, that e.g. the EU and other sentient beings have recognised the RCD as perpetually working - then there is no need.
  • #21 20671049
    palmus
    Level 34  
    Let's not go in the direction of absurdity.The differential protects only the kitchen and the cellar.And there are 3 important appliances.A boiler and 2 fridges.I described it at the beginning.And it's the only thing I'm concerned about.If the power supply fails,so be it.I can't do anything.If something causes a short circuit,so be it (hasn't happened for years). It's only supposed to work when you're away for a long time and in case of a " strange" tripping of it.There's nothing to expand other theories.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the need for remote differential switching to manage critical appliances like fridges and a central heating boiler. The original poster experienced a differential switch failure and seeks solutions to remotely monitor and reset it without physical presence. Suggestions include using a GSM module with Arduino for SMS notifications, employing smart devices like Tuya for remote control, and considering automatic reset devices. Concerns about safety and the reliability of such solutions are raised, emphasizing the importance of diagnosing the underlying issues causing the differential to trip. The conversation highlights the balance between convenience and safety in managing electrical systems remotely.
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