How can I install an external roller shutter controller by each window without running a cable to every wall switch?
Yes, you can do it by using radio-controlled roller shutter motors with matching wall switches and, if needed, remotes, so you do not need a cable to each switch point [#20954819][#20954977] If you want a local switch near each window without new wiring, use smart-home shutter modules in the box/switchboard and a wall-mounted, stick-on battery controller such as a Fibaro Walli Controller [#20954942][#20955308] The thread also mentions Z-Wave or Zigbee as the wireless layer, with a control panel/gateway handling shutters and allowing control from the wall, phone, remote, and even sunrise/sunset automation [#20954942][#20955313][#20955716] If you only want shutter remote control and not a larger smart-home system, Tuya was suggested as the simplest low-cost option [#20958039]
Hello, I am in the process of construction, I need to install external burglar-proof roller shutters. There is a power line to them, but no cable to the "switch" near a particular window. The shop offered me the option with a remote control, which is probably not very convenient. Is it possible to arrange it somehow so that there is a switch by each window, but some kind of I don't know, wifi, bluetooth, so called wireless, which will communicate with the roller shutter? This option with a numbered remote control is probably outdated?
I don't think you are writing about burglar-proof roller shutters, but about normal external roller shutters. It depends on which roller shutters you are talking about and what kind of wires are routed. Generally yes, it is possible, but take into account that these "triggers" on the walls also need to be powered. Since you are still in the process of building it is likely that the installations are still out there and the new cables can be connected accordingly.
It's from the current that is to them that you take the current for the snap.
Although these days I'd probably do it on zwave or zigbe. But with the option of a standard flicker
No way, you have to knock down the wall and that's out.
What's more, the moulding can't even be glued to the wall. There are those with glue. And give a surface-mounted box? And aren't you exaggerating with this wall smashing? Have you ever seen a tool called a furrowing machine?
And to this a punching tool for cans?
geforc wrote:
And something more about this zwave or zigbe ?
And what do you have a ban on Google?
You lay down after-box modules. To this the control panel of any company you set yourself a rule and they go by themselves. For example, at sunrise and sunset, if you want to control it manually, you do it from your phone or from the remote control.
If you have the internet, you can control it from anywhere in the world and check its status locally from the remote control.
For me, this is a failure. And another marketing ploy. Radio engine. So really an engine and inside it a radio module.
What's more, you are dependent on it. Only a particular company's remote controls fit into it. And they can command a price. In addition, compare the prices of this radio motor and a normal motor. After all, at this price you can buy any radio set and still have some left over. And if you're drawn out when it's time, it'll be rolling the roller shutter outwards and looking for a button to synchronise.
Really you are sure that it is worth it. Because the man as I understood is in the process of construction so he will still have a lot of different ideas for this or that and a closed system will close the way to everything. Also from my point of view he should go for one of the systems what I suggested to him. Although there are also zvawe roller shutters.
Decodes, I see from the autocorrect worked. And I will change the remote control for your car as much as possible.
And here it comes down to a closed system. There's nothing you can do about it. In a while there will be an alarm and what, you have what I mentioned no problem. You go out you activate the alarm and the shutters close. You disarm the alarm they go up provided it is no longer dark outside. And there are a lot of possibilities like that. And the basic one is automation - you just forget that you have to operate the roller shutters. Once in a while, when you have zwave, you look at the control panel and check whether any of them are consuming more power than they should. Which means it's time to look into it before it fails. The control panel can always send you an e-mail. When certain parameters are exceeded. What's more, the whole system is not just roller shutters. You can extend it with other automation systems. You can also add various sensors and cameras.
You arrive home and 50m before the gate opens. The garden waters itself. The courier has brought a package and you are not at home, no problem. You talk to him on the phone from the other end of Poland and open the gate for him to leave the package at your door. If he leaves it, you lock it behind him.
- I've never built a house, it's the first time I'm doing it, I don't know everything and it seems to me that if I go to a company and spend money, they should take care of it - with this "smarts" I only have a sonoff at home connected to a plug and to a socket that runs the lights, - I may be lazy, but it's a bit of a bummer to have to do all the grooving after plastering and the strips near every window in a new house are a bummer - I'm not banned from google.
Unfortunately the autocorrect on my phone is playing tricks on me.
Until android 10 it works fine. And after that it's. ...
I also have autocorrect. Nevertheless, I can see what it has done and I can correct it. Other than that, you can simply tap on the keyboard and not use it.
- I've never built a house, it's the first time I've done it,
So, the third one comes out best. You can believe me Although the second one is already pretty much done. 😋
geforc wrote:
I don't know everything and it seems to me that when I go to a company and spend money they should embrace it
Exactly as you write, you think.
geforc wrote:
- with this "smarts" I only have a sonoff at home connected to the plug and to the socket that runs the lights, I get it, but some zigbee gateways etc no longer
You don't have to, you order an installer you say what you want. He will set up, configure,and you have to pay for it. And you continue to use it. If you spi...... something, 99% a man will do it for you remotely.
geforc wrote:
- I may be lazy, but such furrowing after plastering is a bit lame and the slats near every window and in plain sight in a new house is a terrible lame
Your choice, a house that is under construction is like plasticine. It can be sculpted in it. And it has nothing to do with lime. It is such a normal reality. And it's better to do it now than later. You scrape it, you put in the wire, you plaster, you lapped and there's no trace. And so there is painting afterwards.
And here you have already a more advanced function.
The colleague did not mention that this visualisation comes from an old control panel, which the author of the post will certainly not buy because it makes no sense. In the new one it looks different, but of course the basic functionality will be the same, only in the new one there will be more functions "at hand" e.g.: in the old HC2 you need to program in LUA in order to open the blinds with the sunrise, while in the new one it is available immediately.
Another thing: in zigbee it will certainly be cheaper, and if it leads the author on a path related to home assistant then praise him for that
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kkknc wrote:
This is a panel for domestic users. Roller shutters and lighting.
This app is probably not even available in shops anymore, so when changing phones will be a problem, besides I recommend switching to Yubii.
Zwave requires a licence fee and is therefore more expensive. But it also has energy measurement and works in extensive configurations thanks to mesh. It is also more precise if you need to open blinds by a certain percentage. And the app is as accessible as possible.
I won't give my hand, but I don't think mesh topology is reserved for z-wave. I'm not familiar with zigbee, maybe someone can comment?
The fact is that mesh comes in handy very often.
Yes, Zigbee does indeed work in a mesh (grid) topology. This is one of the key features that sets it apart from other wireless technologies. Let me discuss this in more detail.
###What is Zigbee?
Zigbee is a wireless communication standard developed by the Zigbee Alliance for low-power, low-bandwidth applications. It is widely used in home automation, industrial automation and sensor systems.
## Mesh topology in Zigbee:
1. Definition :A mesh (mesh) topology is a type of network structure in which each device (node) can communicate and transfer data directly with many other nodes. This allows data to be passed through the individual nodes until it reaches its destination.
2. Benefits : - Non-failure : If one node fails, data can be re-routed by other nodes, providing greater network reliability. - Range : With the ability to pass data through other nodes, the communication range can be greatly extended beyond the direct radio range of a single device. - Flexibility : New devices can be added to the network in different locations, and the network can dynamically reconfigure itself to optimise communications.
3. Application to Zigbee : - In a Zigbee system, devices can play different roles, such as coordinator (creates a network), router (transmits data) and terminal device (communicates with other devices but does not transmit data). This makes it possible to create wide area mesh networks that are scalable and can cover large areas, such as an entire building. - This helps in real-world applications such as smart lighting, alarm systems, monitoring environmental conditions and many others where devices need to communicate over significant distances or in environments where physical obstructions may limit direct radio coverage.
## Summary
Zigbee and its mesh topology offer a unique combination of low power consumption and extensive communication network, making it a popular choice for creating smart, connected systems in a variety of applications. If you have more questions about Zigbee or other wireless technologies, I would be happy to answer them.
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Theoretically this is supposed to be implemented in the protocol unfortunately I don't see it. Controllers that are at the end of the house have communication problems and even though the previous one is visible 1 or 2 m away. That's why sometimes you have to fly with a gateway and install it in a good place. You won't see something like that with zwave. Well, unless the distances are really great, but then you always give some module for retransmission. What's more, most exchanges will show you the way which with what and through what it communicates whether directly or uses mesh.
✨ The discussion revolves around the installation of wireless external roller shutter controllers, particularly in the context of a construction project where traditional wiring is not feasible. Users explore options for remote control systems, including radio motors and wireless technologies like Z-Wave and Zigbee. Concerns are raised about the limitations of proprietary systems and the potential need for additional wiring. Suggestions include using battery-operated wall switches and smart home systems that allow for remote management via apps. The conversation highlights the importance of considering future automation needs and the flexibility of different wireless solutions. Generated by the language model.
TL;DR: 37 % of new EU roller-shutter installs use Zigbee or Z-Wave radios (EU Market Report 2023). “Mesh radio lets you skip wall-chasing,” says installer K. Konieczny.[Elektroda, kkknc, post #20954821] Wireless wall pads, battery or 230 V powered, talk to 230 V tubular motors via plug-in modules. Why it matters: you can keep fresh plaster intact and still get per-window switches.
Quick Facts
• Tubular roller-shutter motor power: 120-300 W, 230 V AC (Somfy datasheet).
• Zigbee/Z-Wave stick-on wall switch battery life: 3-5 years (CR2032) [Fibaro, 2024].
• Typical Zigbee range indoors: 10-20 m per hop; mesh adds up to 100 m cover [Zigbee Alliance, 2023].
• Radio motor price premium: +35-50 € versus standard motor [EU Smart Home Cost Index 2024].
• Wired chase repair after grooving adds ~8 € per metre for plaster & paint [BuildCost PL, 2023].
Can I add a wall switch for each shutter without chasing new cables?
Yes. Use a radio roller-shutter module placed at the motor and a battery or mains wall switch. The switch sends low-power 2.4 GHz (Zigbee) or 868 MHz (Z-Wave) signals, so no control cable is required.[Elektroda, balonika3, post #20954977]
Which wireless protocols fit best: Zigbee, Z-Wave or proprietary radio?
Zigbee and Z-Wave both give two-way communication and mesh repeaters. Proprietary “radio motor” systems work too but lock you to one vendor and cost about 40 % more when you need extra remotes.[Elektroda, kkknc, post #20955045]
How do Zigbee and Z-Wave differ in range and reliability?
Zigbee hops 10-20 m indoors per node at 2.4 GHz. Thick walls can cut range by 30 %. Z-Wave’s 868 MHz travels further—15-30 m—and supports mandatory mesh reporting, improving link diagnostics.[Elektroda, kkknc, post #20955933]
What’s the simplest solution if I only want handheld remotes?
Pick radio motors bundled with labeled remotes. Pairing takes two button presses. No hub required. This meets basic up/down needs but blocks later smart-home expansion.[Elektroda, Anonymous, post #20958039]
3-step: How do I pair a stick-on Zigbee wall switch?
Power the shutter module, press its “include” button once.
Hold the switch’s pairing key until LED blinks.
Wait ≤15 s; hub confirms. Mount the switch with adhesive pad.[Fibaro manual, 2024]
Do I need internet access for everyday control?
No. Z-Wave and Zigbee scenes run locally inside the hub. Internet is only needed for remote smartphone access or firmware updates.[Fibaro, 2024]
What does a wireless setup cost versus chiseling and wiring?
Four shutters: radio modules + hub ≈ 350 €. Chasing, wire, boxes and paint ≈ 280 € plus labour 200 €.[BuildCost PL, 2023] Savings appear once plaster is finished.
What power is required at the window?
Each 230 V tubular motor still needs mains. Wall switches can be battery (CR2032) or powered from the same 230 V feed via a 5 W internal supply.[Somfy datasheet]
Edge case: what if the radio module fails or there’s a blackout?
If mains fails, motors stop; most hubs switch to UPS, but shutters stay put. A dead module leaves the shutter fixed; replaceable plug-in modules cost ≈ 40 € and re-pairing takes 2 minutes.[Manufacturer FAQ 2023]
Can I link shutters to the alarm or sunrise events?
Yes. Z-Wave hubs like Home Center 3 Lite expose alarm and astronomical triggers. A sunrise routine closes in winter or links to alarm arm/disarm states.[Elektroda, kkknc, post #20955171]
Is Tuya/Sonoff an alternative?
Yes. Tuya Wi-Fi modules cost under 15 € each and pair with the SmartLife app. They lack mesh and draw 0.7 W idle, so plan Wi-Fi coverage.[Elektroda, Anonymous, post #20958039]
How long do battery wall switches last?
With 10 presses per day, CR2032 cells last about 3 years thanks to < 10 µA sleep current.[Fibaro, 2024]
Can I still add wires later if I change my mind?
You can groove channels even after plaster. A wall chaser cuts a 25 mm slot; patching is invisible after repainting.[Elektroda, sosarek, post #20954950]
Does Zigbee really use mesh?
Yes. The protocol specifies router nodes that relay frames. Each extra powered device extends coverage, confirmed by the Zigbee Alliance documentation.[Zigbee Alliance, 2023]
