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  • Shattered fuse with scattered glass material on a white background.
    When I posted a short piece on fusible links, I got a hint from @398216 Usunięty that it was worth raising the subject of the risk of a fuse exploding when the short circuit current is too high . I have collected several fuses from various places 3.15A of various types. In the material you will see the moment they burn out during a short circuit in the mains installation. In the glass case, you can see the moment when the wire burns through, the tube breaks and then the glass shards explode. It is advisable to use eye protection when repairing various types of equipment.



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  • #2 21026600
    rosomak19
    Level 23  
    I once had an explosion of a capacitor straight in the face : / Not to mention the pyrotechnic effects that occurred afterwards, I was setting the rest current in my DIY power amplifier, powered by 1.5 kVA taf, and the meter probe slipped out and went to the best place, that is between the leads of the power transistor. I've never experienced such a thing, and out of all this instead of pressing the power switch, I tore the plug out of the socket, the resistors were blown out like candles on a cake because they lit up XD . Well we had to do the board from scratch because it blew out , and order parts . I had to ventilate the room for a few hours, and I could still smell burning for a few days.
  • #3 21026610
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    There happened to be an uncontrolled shorting of a set of 0.17F capacitors charged to 120V. The bang and flash is quite impressive, I smoked a cigarette with very trembling hands. Metal droplets from a screwdriver what fell between the rails melted into the safety goggles. It is therefore always good practice to wear goggles and gloves when working with considerable energies.
  • #4 21026715
    Grzegorz_madera
    Level 38  
    There is such a parameter of a fuse as the breaking capacity. It tells you the maximum current it can disconnect without melting or exploding the case. Littelfuse makes fuses with a breaking capacity of between 35A and 1500A, some have this specified at 4-10xIn. This also depends on the interrupting voltage of the current. The Littelfuse mentioned in one model, for example, specifies 10000A at 125V, while at 250V it is only 40A.
  • #5 21026775
    123104
    Level 12  
    Something like this happened to me. I accidentally applied 220V to the TG2 transistor (green) (I touched the wrong place with the wire). It banged like a shot from a KBKS and a hole a few mm deep appeared in the ceiling. The green cap flew like a bullet, fortunately not at me but upwards.
  • #6 21026776
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    Thanks for the feedback, at high energies indeed many components can explode, not only the fuse, diode or transistor but also mechanical switching elements can wreak considerable havoc.

    I am puzzled by the mechanism of destruction of the glass fuse,
    first you can see the flash of the burnt wire,
    after a while you can see the formation of cracks on the entire surface of the tube,
    at the end fragments of glass fly throughout the frame.

    Is it a heat wave that reaches the glass, causes stress and then the heated gas bursts the tube?

    I think you can also see the deposition of metal vapour on the tube.
    Sometimes I came across fuses that were not burst but were covered on the inside with a layer of metal.
  • #7 21026802
    m2606
    Level 31  
    TechEkspert wrote:
    Sometimes I have come across fuses that were not blown but were covered on the inside with a layer of metal.
    I in the army accidentally put a buzzer from razor blades on the interphase. The water disappeared together with the cup and the razor blades.The shells looked from the inside just like the inside of the fuse.It was probably the biggest "burn".
    Well, except maybe the key 17 of which was left only "stick",fortunately I had gloves.
    Frequently I removed the 5w bulbs from cars. They were working, but it was almost impossible to see that they were lit.
  • #8 21026812
    Grzegorz_madera
    Level 38  
    TechEkspert wrote:
    I think you can also see the metal vapour deposition on the tube.
    When a large current is switched off, the metal from the wire vaporises and deposits on the glass, and this causes a voltage breakdown and current flow over the glass. This is likely to cause heating and cracking of the glass. This situation does not occur with a sand-filled fuse.
  • #9 21026920
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    Let me add one more comment to the last words of the Author's statement in the video - There is a reason why silica sand fuses are used in some PU equipment power supplies. When replacing it with an ordinary one, not only do you risk getting injured by glass fragments, but you may also contribute to more damage than you would by using a fuse with silica sand that extinguishes (and therefore shortens the duration of supply to the - perhaps not yet fully damaged - circuit). A longer duration of supply is more likely to cause further damage.
  • #10 21027027
    TechEkspert
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    What is PU equipment?

    Sometimes I have also come across ultrafast (aR) fuses, but how their design differed from fast ones I have not been able to check.
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  • #11 21027038
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    TechEkspert wrote:
    What is PU equipment?
    Equipment P common U use -. means domestic... ;) (I didn't make that up).
  • #12 21027306
    prosiak_wej
    Level 39  
    Eye protection when running anything with higher power is an absolute must. Plus a dedicated circuit in the workshop with its own differential and a B16 overcurrent, so that in the event of a malfunction, only this circuit is switched off and not the whole room as in the case of famous jutubers ;) .
  • #13 21027394
    ArturAVS
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    @TechEkspert What if you did a similar demonstration but for DC? And compared? This would show experimentally the differences between AC and DC and what the problem with DC arc extinguishing is. By the way, the biggest fuses I've been able to "plant" were the 630A BMs in the plant switchgear. A 19 gauge spanner fell out of my overalls pocket and short-circuited the drain rails, the bang in the RG room was like a practice grenade at least. Even the typical solid construction of the BM along with the sand filling did not save it from being blown apart. It was a good thing that I was standing on the scaffolding at this point because fragments of torn ceramics are sometimes sharper than glass.
  • #14 21027405
    barondary
    Level 20  
    I had a neon light explode because I didn't give a resistor and connected directly to 230V. It just exploded! The glass shattered into tiny pieces and it's a miracle it didn't hit my eye. Now I wear corrective glasses anyway so I feel safer.
  • #15 21027447
    TechEkspert
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    I was thinking of DC testing however I don't have a suitable capacitor bank, DC is quite a dangerous game, you would also need a switch that can withstand a few of these switching on and to check what voltage is left on the capacitors.

    Here from the 8th minute of the test with DC and fuses, the author has built a varistor tester and also checks other components how they react to short-circuit tests on DC:



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  • #16 21027468
    ArturAVS
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    I was thinking of a simple circuit; Bridge->capacitor->two series connected kettles in the role of current limiter (and forcing it)->serial tested patient (fuse).
  • #17 21027503
    TechEkspert
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    The kettle would have to limit the capacitor charging current?
    If the bridge were to participate in the short-circuit current then it would have to be powerful.

    I see that the GDTs stand up well to DC testing:


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  • #18 21027510
    ArturAVS
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    TechEkspert wrote:
    The kettle would limit the charging current of the capacitors?
    No, although it can be done that way. I was referring to forcing the current to flow but so that it would not be a short circuit.
  • #19 21027802
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    ArturAVS wrote:
    the largest fuses I was able to "plant" were BMy 630A in the company switchboard
    a colleague was replacing a live switchboard (because the ZE was only due to arrive in a week's time to disconnect the transformer substation) and a pair of pliers slipped out of his hand while he was putting in a new one (still on the resotex ). They fell on the phase-to-phase terminals and evaporated. Admittedly, the colleague covered himself with his hand at the last moment, but still half his face was burnt. He was laid off for a month and had to grow a beard to hide the scars.
  • #20 21028045
    ArturAVS
    Moderator  
    I wasn't doing any electrical work in this case, I was setting up scaffolding for painting and installing cable trays for the new RG lighting installation. There was a mains socket in one cell in the distribution board and I had an extension cord plugged in there for the drill, so the door was open too. The spanner fell and bounced off the scaffolding and by some miracle hit the gap in the Plexiglas cover on the drain rails (less than a centimetre). Apart from the balls of steel embedded in the casing, its larger components I could not find.
  • #21 21032218
    TechEkspert
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    I wonder how it is possible that a large ceramic BM can explode like a fragmentation grenade,
    I understand a small glass fuse, but the BM insert has a housing of considerable thickness, the whole is covered with sand.

    Is it also works on the principle: the larger the insert -> the greater the short circuit current and as a result the small glass one will explode at 100A and such a BM at 100kA.

    I also heard about the fuses on the DC buses in the old switchboards (I don't remember if Strowger or Pentaconta) and a lot of caution when replacing them because with the capacity of the DC power plant and the short-circuit current of the batteries, sometimes such a fuse would explode when a short circuit occurred again.
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  • #22 21037568
    jarekgol
    Level 39  
    It may have already been there, but it's cool



    I've also seen quite a few glass ones with the metal vaporised on the inside.
    And as for BMs I think bigger fuse, bigger problems ;) After all, the idea of any fuse is that it's supposed to melt, and just melting as we know doesn't immediately break the circuit. Then the arc burns there, and in "thicker" circuits it will also be thicker.
    Fused balls of metal in the eyes I have unfortunately also processed, but with electrics, not electronics.
    Well, in some devices they put rubber condoms on these 5x20 PCB mounts. This reduces the risk of touching and limits shrapnel.
    My dad repairs flashes and studio lights and there various things like to explode and arc across the board.
  • #23 21037640
    ArturAVS
    Moderator  
    Here a nice attempt at blowing a 5000A fuse;




    Fine capacitor bank :D .
  • #24 21037643
    398216 Usunięty
    Level 43  
    However, a flashlight or a strobe is a slightly different kind of circuit - admittedly, the voltage is high (I'm talking about the power supply of the burner - the voltage of its triggering/ionisation is several kV at least), but the current is relatively small. The fact is that it is actually very simple to burn a path on the laminate - backwards the thickness of the path is only a few tens of MIKROMETERS.
    Every audio service technician has probably at least once encountered damage to the paths in a power amplifier - the voltages there are in most cases several tens of volts and the current (fuse protection) rarely exceeds 5A (at least in home audio).
  • #25 21038506
    jarekgol
    Level 39  
    398216 Usunięty wrote:
    the thickness of the path is only a few tens of MIKROMETERS.
    It's fun to bump this up with electricians and wire cross-section selection :) Another interesting thing is the reported current of the mosfets and the thickness of their feet (I mean THT)
  • #26 21038554
    prosiak_wej
    Level 39  
    And the thickness of the wires that, inside the transistor housing, connect its legs to the structure?
  • #27 21053746
    web69
    Level 33  
    Many years ago I was replacing a DC 2500A 48V powerhouse, at the same time the rooms were being renovated. The rails from the battery room were going under the ceiling, a painter on a ladder decided to put a bucket of paint down just on these rails. When I said that this was a bad idea and there was 48V here, the farmer replied that he was doing it by force and nothing happened. The bang was so powerful that it rang in my ears for a week, the painter on the floor with the rest of the bucket in his hand and everything in the paint. The telephone exchange didn't even register the fault, the fuses on the 2x1200A battery didn't let go
  • #28 21054210
    TechEkspert
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    He must have been surprised when the bucket disappeared, such a bucket should allow current to flow triggering the fuse but perhaps the contact was insecure and the amount of heat generated at the contact between bucket and rail and as current flowed through the bucket disconnected the circuit faster than the fuse?

    Maybe the electromagnetic field made it easier to push the bucket out? (similar to the railgun).
  • #29 21054522
    web69
    Level 33  
    A bucket of about 5-7L of thinset, a 24x opzs 2500Ah battery, what's that 500 or 700A current.... bucket gone, a peasant in paint lying on the ground and 20 people roaring with laughter. In such facilities the work was most often on a living organism and I was no longer laughing when connecting a 230V guaranteed inverter where I mistook the - for earth and as telecoms equipment has a + on earth, the ring ends of the 25mm cable evaporated in my hands. Gloves saved my fingers, goggles shielded my eyes and there was no problem with defecation either (pun intended)
  • #30 21054574
    m2606
    Level 31  
    Let the peasant be happy that the paint was not flammable.
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    Topic summary

    The discussion centers around the risks associated with fuse explosions during short circuits, highlighting the importance of safety measures such as wearing eye protection. Users share personal experiences of component failures, including capacitors and transistors, leading to explosive incidents. The breaking capacity of fuses is emphasized, with Littelfuse mentioned as a manufacturer providing fuses with varying breaking capacities. The mechanism of glass fuse destruction is explored, noting that metal vaporization can lead to voltage breakdown and glass cracking. The advantages of sand-filled fuses over glass fuses in preventing injuries and minimizing damage during failures are also discussed. Additionally, the conversation touches on the dangers of working with DC circuits and the need for proper equipment and precautions.
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