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Will a DIY cooling stand made from 12V fans help with laptop overheating?

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  • View of three mounted computer fans under a wooden table. .
    Today I'm testing whether a custom cooling pad for a laptop can lower its temperatures. Actually it will be a table conversion, so more of a "cooling table". Measurements will be taken on the CPU and on the SSD. I will show the whole thing on the graphs - I will contrast the operation without the pad and with the pad in two modes (quiet and strongest).

    I made the cradle by placing three computer fans in holes made in an old table. Initially, I also wanted to make the laptop a 'seat' to lift it slightly, but in the end I decided to do things differently - I took the liberty of removing the bottom cover of the laptop so that the drives, RAM and part of the heatsink were exposed:
    Open laptop underside with visible internal components, including a Samsung SSD and Crucial RAM. .
    The laptop itself is a 17-inch, even desktop giant these days with an Intel Core i7-6700HQ, GeForce GTX 1060 and 64GB RAM. This oldie can even run big language models and even generate images with Stable Diffusion!
    For the record, I'll add that this is now a 'workshop' laptop and doesn't require mobility. The table similarly - it comes from a junkyard.
    As for the details of the build of the stand, there's nothing to brag about as I've simply mounted the fans under the table - I'll provide one photo:
    View of three mounted computer fans under a wooden table. .
    This is during testing, normally 3 fans are running.
    So it is time for testing....

    Tests during normal operation .
    I initially tried testing at artificial 100% load on everything, with no interruptions, but unfortunately I was unable to reliably observe an improvement. I thought I had failed completely - but still not. What matters is how much the coaster helps in practice, not how much it helps in a theoretical, artificially created situation.
    And in practice it is like this, I'll start with the noise levels:
    - at around 50% power (by eye) the fan noise level is acceptable
    - at full power the fans are quite noisy, but you can get used to it - just play something on Youtube, etc, maybe some some cool podcast , and you can survive
    However, we are more curious about the temperatures.
    So let's have a look - sorry for the wrong order - the graph below is the transition from 50% blowing to 100% :
    Graphs of CPU temperatures and load during laptop cooling tests .
    Pardon the moment with the blowing turned off.
    That is, at 50% blowing the SSD was about 40 degrees, and at 100% it dropped to 30. The CPU cores at 100% blowing oscillate around 62-72 degrees, and at 50% it was about 10 degrees more (72-82).
    Below the second graph - going from 100% blowing to 0% :
    CPU and SSD temperature graph during cooling test. .
    Above, you can see that without my stand, the SSD heats up to 61 degrees and the CPU oscillates around 70-80 degrees, reaching higher temperatures over time.
    Below the same graph after some time:
    System stability test graphs in AIDA64 showing temperatures and CPU usage. .
    Above you can see that the temperature is still rising, with the cores reaching 80-92 degrees.
    Ok, I turn it back on to full cooling, see below: .
    Temperature and CPU usage graphs in AIDA64 Temperature and CPU usage charts from a laptop cooling test. .
    SSD is down to 30 degrees, cores are at about 50-60. not bad!

    Interesting fact 1 .
    While working hard under load, one of my SSDs, a Samsung 960 PRO 2TB suddenly started showing a health of 50% instead of 90%. At first I didn't know where it was coming from, but then it went back to 90%. After some more experimentation I realised that it shows 50% when it overheats - i.e. its temperature changes the health reading....
    Screenshot of a utility software displaying SSD health monitoring. The graph shows variability in SSD health over several days.

    Interesting fact 2 .
    I used AIDA to monitor the temperatures, and this program gave me one surprise - after 5 hours of testing I suddenly started running out of RAM, and the task manager showed that AIDA was taking up over 40GB.... I momentarily aborted its process, and took this snapshot as a reminder:
    Screenshot of Windows Task Manager displaying RAM usage. .

    Summary .
    What can I write here? I guess I'll start by saying that a cooling pad should not be a substitute for interior maintenance, dust removal, correct paste replacement and thermopads. And besides.
    I don't know how much my invention compares to what you can buy, plus I cheated a bit (took off the bottom lid of the laptop), but overall I'm satisfied. It was supposed to be just art for art's sake, and yet my little workstation was helped by it.
    As I wrote, everything was tested under practical conditions and in practice it helps, including my SSD, and I guess it would be better for the SSD to work at 30 rather than 60 degrees?
    It's also quite possible that the whole thing could be optimised, e.g. maybe raising the laptop slightly by 1 cm so that the air blows all over it? Do you think this would help? Or do you have other suggestions? I am open to ideas.
    Do you use laptop cooling stands? Feel free to discuss.
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  • #2 21218067
    Anonymous
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  • #3 21218076
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    He has been heating up quite a bit since the beginning. Generally it is cleaned every so often, the carving with the pad I decided to do additionally to see how much it would help. I also recently replaced one fan in the middle because it died after 5 years of use:
    Screenshot of an online order for a new GPU fan for ASUS ROG G752. .
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  • #4 21218189
    omin172
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    To answer the title question: sure, yes, but you absolutely need to remove or ream the bottom cover. In my case, the CPU temperature dropped by about 10 degrees and the chipset by about 20 after reaming the bottom cover and screwing a fan to it (and adding a piece of aluminium for the chipset, which had no heatsink from the factory).

    Of course, as with the author's colleague, my laptop is stationary too (which doesn't mean the system is too - I have the To-Go version of this one and use another, much more portable laptop in the field).

    PS. What difference does it make what voltage these fans are at?
  • #5 21218269
    Janusz_kk
    Level 39  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    Do you use laptop cooling pads? Feel free to discuss.
    .
    No, because using a laptop at home instead of a desktop is complete nonsense, yes I have a laptop and I don't use it at home.
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  • #6 21218272
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    This is exactly the impression I have of the lower cover. I wonder if reaming in my case what can't be removed would help yet? But if it did I would have to do it after removing the motherboard.

    At my place the laptop is stationary a large part of the time, but if there's a need, there's nothing stopping me from putting the bottom cover on it and moving on.

    As for the voltage, I didn't mean to imply in any way the superiority of 12V fans over others, I just like content titles. I used what was at hand.

    Also the fan control itself is an interesting thing, PWM won't always do the job, but that's a matter to be discussed separately.
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  • #7 21218448
    omin172
    Level 16  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    I wonder if reaming out what can't be taken off at my place would help yet?
    .

    You can see from the photos that you probably mean the bits that are under the extra cover you took off anyway - sure, you can drill holes there just being careful not to damage any stiffeners, catches etc.
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    Anonymous
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  • #9 21218596
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    I'm intrigued too, @Janusz_kk , then how much power does your computer draw in normal operation and under full load? How much additional power does your monitor draw? Just out of curiosity I'd compare it to the laptop pictured in the topic (or to others I have)

    Of course, nowhere am I saying you should buy laptops instead of PCs either, but I was very mobile for a few years and needed mobile hardware. Less so now. Hence, at my place there is such hardware and not others.
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  • #10 21218685
    Janusz_kk
    Level 39  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    that's how much power your computer draws in normal operation and under full load?
    .
    I don't know, it's irrelevant to me, I have an I5 on an 1150 board then how much can it take? 100W? I have an I5 with a board of 1150, how much can it take? 100W? to this two monitors, maybe 50W each? graphics is some kind of weak because I do not play games, the laptop will probably take a fraction of this, but in the overall bill these are small, in my case even less because I have PV and my own energy :) .
    I have a computer for work and I value comfort, and a laptop does not give such a comfort especially in summer when it heats up. Not to mention the cost and convenience of the upgrade, I am just changing from I5 to I7 because they have become cheaper :) .
  • #11 21218774
    omin172
    Level 16  
    >>21218685

    But what convenience, when a laptop has the same connectors as a desktop and is similarly easy to work on? On top of that, it's small and thin and will fit everywhere, while you're just tripping over a big tin box all the time.
  • #12 21218779
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    For me, power consumption is important, and not just because I want to save energy but also because I don't like to heat up the room I'm in unnecessarily. Even so, if the equipment I have now dies, I will probably opt for a stationary one. I'm just hoping that this cooling I have will extend the life of what I have somewhat.

    I'm actually using this hardware and just like a PC, even a regular USB keyboard is plugged in (because after 6 years or whatever it was, this laptop has had its keyboard pretty much destroyed).

    @omin172 and how do the temperatures look in your case when you let go full load on AIDA?
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  • #13 21218800
    ando09
    Level 15  
    PC or laptop each has its own advantages and disadvantages. For some, power and expandability will be more important and for others, mobility. But that's not what this discussion is about. I made a similar sculpture myself years ago. I used a 20cm slow rotating fan as a pad. And for an Asus k50af laptop I bought a second bottom cover in which I cut holes and pasted a mesh. In addition, I mounted a cut copper plate on the heat pipe. It was cooler and somewhat quieter despite the additional fan.
  • #14 21218895
    VIGOR_PICTURES
    Level 21  
    Sounds like the typical so-called flame wary from the years when I was young and stupid (now I no longer possess either of these qualities).
    Laptop or "desktop" - already in the fame MMA gala tomorrow.
    Each type of computer has its advantages and disadvantages. The author has shown one of the disadvantages. Performance laptops overheat / are noisy/hot. ATX standard components do too. I myself have a converted GTX970 graphics card. The cooling was implicitly the blower type, which was not only noisy as a bright thread but also not particularly efficient. With the help of 3D printing I managed to stuff a massive CPU heatsink and a 120mm fan in there. Not only did the temperature drop (as I recall it was around 25 degrees in stress), but it was also quiet.
    As a test, it would be cool to see what the temperatures would be like if you swapped the usual fans for one with high static pressure + air direction.
    And since the laptop is stationary maybe even bring out a small water block from the desk onto which you apply the hottest part of the laptop.
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    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    Do you use laptop cooling pads? Feel free to discuss.
    No. My laptops do tasks that don't stress the hardware at all and for other tasks I have a desktop PC where walking is no problem.
    M
  • #16 21219873
    quish
    Level 15  
    Dell g15 patient - the cradle only improves air circulation under the laptop, the fan whether on or at full throttle does not change temperatures. Someone asked how much power a laptop can take - mine has a 240W power supply and under full load it DOES NOT charge the battery. Specification - i7 10750 32GB RAM GeForce 3060, processor and graphics with no power limits.
  • #17 21219965
    popek9
    Level 13  
    >>21218269 I would not agree that this is nonsense on the contrary, nowadays the new laptops are just perfectly replacing the classic PCs. You can have everything permanently connected to the station on usb-c and with one cable you connect all the equipment (power supply, monitors, keyboard, mouse, etc.). If you buy a laptop with thunderbolt 4, you can even connect a classic graphics card to the laptop and, for example, turn your business equipment into a gaming desktop laptop.
  • #18 21219985
    Janusz_kk
    Level 39  
    But such a laptop with a workstation costs as much as two pc's, so it makes no sense, and in case of failure it's a total flop, because repairing the motherboard is a cosmic price.
    Also, a powerful laptop heats up, which has already been mentioned above, and on such a hot laptop it is difficult to work, especially in summer, and the bga's tend to 'leak' due to stress, so again, costs.
  • #19 21219987
    error105
    Level 14  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    I'm intrigued too, @Janusz_kk , then how much power does your computer draw in normal operation and under full load? How much additional power does the monitor draw?
    .
    This I'll answer for my colleague, I have an i3-N305 behind the monitor that draws all of 8-10W on the desktop and while writing code, while the 27" monitor in minimum backlight mode already draws 30W ;) during compilation the consumption rises to 20W, and when the GPU is boosted it rises to 30W. Mega results. I'm powering this from a buffer on 18650 - and I'll admit that when the power went off for a couple of hours "remote" I continued working with no problems.

    Janusz_kk wrote:
    I don't know, it's irrelevant to me, I have an I5 on an 1150 board then how much can it take? 100W?
    .
    So your antique is less powerful than my laptop, and it's sucking 10x as much power. Where is the sense and logic here? Just plug monitors and peripherals into a 2tys laptop and you've got better hardware than your i5.
  • #20 21220003
    Janusz_kk
    Level 39  
    error105 wrote:
    So your antique is less powerful than my laptop, and consumes 10x as much power. Where is the sense and logic here?
    .
    For what I do it is enough for me and cost me pennies, the energy as I wrote I have my own.
    And here's a look at how a laptop repair looks like for such a high-powered one
    https://youtu.be/-vJwT-s-jhY

    error105 wrote:
    All you need to do is plug in monitors and peripherals to a 2tys laptop and you have better hardware than your i5.
    .
    These peripherals are the second amount, that is 4 k£ all together, actually cheap :(
  • #21 21220634
    error105
    Level 14  
    Janusz_kk wrote:
    These peripherals are the latter, or £4k total, cheap indeed
    .

    So I take it that the peripherals what you have you found and are only compatible with desktop computers?
  • #22 21221498
    popek9
    Level 13  
    >>21219985 No no, let's not exaggerate that such a laptop costs 2x as much as a PC. Now there are plenty of cheap, good thin and light laptops that you can get for 2000-3000 zł. You don't have to spend 10k on a typical business hardware right away.
    Now laptops have become much cheaper and you can get a laptop with rtx 4060 card up to 5000 zł.
    Laptops with a 4050 card can be bought at around 3000-3500 zł
  • #23 21228293
    marcinstepien198821
    Level 2  
    Thermal paste needs to be replaced and dust needs to be cleaned.
  • #24 21325956
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    A small update. I use my "coaster" all the time and am happy with it. Today I forgot to switch it on once and the SSD Samsung 960 PRO 2TB already started to heat up by some miracle to 76°C, am I seriously torturing the hardware that much?
    Graph just after turning on the cooling and a little later:
    Temperature graph for Samsung 960 PRO 2TB SSD with current, average, and maximum temperature values. .
    Temperature graph of SSD Samsung 960 PRO 2TB, showing a rise to 76°C and a decrease after cooling is enabled. .
    Temperature graph showing a drop from 76°C to 36°C after cooling is activated. .
    And the fans don't even run at full power, just some fraction of it given. The noise is not bothersome.

    I think I'll find some time and just develop the project so that the whole thing turns on by itself depending on the temperatures of e.g. this SSD and/or CPU, based on that I could also adjust the cooling power.... I think I even know what I will use - I used to do Colour CPU temperature display (controlled via Ethernet) .
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    Anonymous
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the effectiveness of a DIY cooling stand made from 12V fans to mitigate laptop overheating. The original poster is testing a custom cooling pad designed as a "cooling table" for a 17-inch laptop equipped with an Intel Core i7-6700HQ and GeForce GTX 1060. Responses highlight the importance of removing or modifying the laptop's bottom cover to enhance cooling efficiency, with one user reporting a significant temperature drop after such modifications. Various opinions on the practicality of using laptops at home versus desktops are shared, alongside discussions on power consumption, hardware upgrades, and the necessity of regular maintenance like dust cleaning and thermal paste replacement. Some users share their own experiences with cooling solutions, emphasizing the balance between performance and noise levels.
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