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Can the generator transmit? - VLF electromechanical transmitter

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  • The piece focuses on the SAQ Grimeton electromechanical VLF transmitter, built around an Alexanderson alternator instead of tubes or transistors.
  • It shows why a 50 Hz generator cannot realistically serve as a radio transmitter and how the alternator's many pole pairs plus a gear-driven motor make higher-frequency operation possible.
  • Grimeton's transmitter runs at 17.2 kHz and reached 200 kW, feeding a 1.9 km antenna suspended on six 127 m steel masts.
  • The station still comes alive on Christmas Eve and Alexanderson's Day, but building an electromechanical receiver is presented as a hobby rather than a practical project.
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From the electronics archive - Electromechanical VLF transmitter

Can the generator transmit? The antenna can transmit by radiating RF energy delivered by the transmitter in the form of electromagnetic waves. The transmitter output signal can be modulated both in amplitude and frequency, which allows information to be transmitted via radio.

Can a generator be a transmitter? An alternator can supply energy in the form of alternating current. It is easy to imagine a device delivering 50 Hz alternating current, a frequency much lower than the radio frequencies known today. It would be quite difficult to build an antenna system that works effectively at 50Hz (although ELF (Extreme Low Frequency) 3-30Hz and SLF (Super Low Frequency) 30-300Hz were used for communication with submarines, which required MW power).



VLF (Very Low Frequency) range 3-30kHz
You will not find the VLF band in a typical radio receiver, but in the past this band was used, for example, for telegraph communication. Today, there is still a transmitter that uses an electromechanical generator that uses an Alexanderson alternator. In Poland, there was the Transatlantic Radiotelegraphic Center in Warsaw, which also based its operation on a generator in the form of a high-frequency generator.

SAQ Grimeton station near Varberg in Sweden - 17.2 kHz
It is easy to calculate that a 50Hz 3000 rpm generator would have to rotate 344 times faster, which is rather difficult to achieve. Alexanderson's alternator had an appropriate design allowing for operation at a higher frequency and at a lower rotational speed (a large number of pole pairs). Alexanderson's generator was powered by an electric motor equipped with a gear increasing the speed of rotation. The transmitter in Grimeton reached a power of 200 kW, it used a 1.9 km long antenna suspended on six 127 m steel masts. The station was one of eighteen transmitters making up the global communication network.



The "RF" energy was modulated with a magnetic amplifier controlled by a relay and a telegraph key. The transmitter is activated on Christmas Eve and usually on Alexanderson's Day (last Sunday in June or first Sunday in July, whichever is closer to July 2).
You can get a QSL card for confirmation of transmission receipt.
Interestingly - you can also build a receiver using an electromechanical oscillator:
http://www.wireless.org.uk/mechrx.htm
However, this is more of a hobby than a practical project.

We are witnessing the rapid development of technology, it is already hard to believe that there used to be 200kW radio transmitters that did not use lamps or transistors in the transmitter's RF circuit.

SAQ transmitter generator frequency tuning:




The next additional broadcast on February 13, 2015. at 15:00 UTC
http://alexander.n.se/evenemang/world-radio-day-transmission/

Will you try to receive the SAQ transmission?

Sources:
http://alexander.n.se/in-english/
http://www.grimetonradio.se/index.php/english
http://www.vlf.it
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternator_Alexandersona
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiostacja_Varberg_w_Grimeton

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Comments

maxxim 01 Mar 2015 23:14

Do you know when the next broadcast in this band will be? [Read more]

TechEkspert 02 Mar 2015 17:37

Perhaps there will be some additional transmissions, while the official broadcasts include those on Christmas Eve and Alexanderson's Day. http://alexander.n.se/in-english/saq-transmission/ [Read more]

TechEkspert 17 Oct 2015 21:58

Next week on Saturday, October 24, 2015. the "SAQ" station will broadcast at 10: 00UTC (12:00). The tuning will start at 09:30 UTC (11:30). http://alexander.n.se/in-english/saq-transmission/ This time... [Read more]

maxxim 21 Oct 2015 00:38

I'm going to pick up the broadcast. I am not sure if my set, i.e. active antenna and sound card + SAQrx, will work ;) . It's the first time I'm going so low !! [Read more]

KaW 22 Oct 2015 22:40

Why does the author use the words "w.cz". There is no RF energy here. There is an electromagnetic wave - it has a low frequency and high power. Requires large transmit antennas and large receive ante... [Read more]

TechEkspert 24 Oct 2015 17:02

@maxxim maybe we will be able to exchange experiences with SAQ reception. A few hours before the broadcast, I had assembled two makeshift amplifiers. One based on the design DL1DBC using an operational... [Read more]

KaW 24 Oct 2015 20:02

The definitions and descriptions of WIKIPEDIA are the same. This lowers the value of this material. Element of basic knowledge of electromagnetic wave is omitted. [Read more]

Marek LUB 25 Aug 2018 11:03

Hello W.cz. at the beginning of the 1920s is not the same as after 100 years. In this link there is much more about our transatlantic station http://www.nadkuje-babice.pl/ This year I am going to receive... [Read more]

TechEkspert 25 Aug 2018 16:00

When will you receive the transmission, what receiver and antenna? The description of the experiments with reception should be included in the articles. [Read more]

Marek LUB 25 Aug 2018 17:30

I refreshed the topic in a survey, not counting on interest, thanks for the response. Have you provided some examples of receivers that you would recommend? There are two pickup dates, birthday and holiday,... [Read more]

TechEkspert 25 Aug 2018 19:05

In an open space, I would lean towards the receiver with the GP antenna reacting to the electrical component. In the housing, you can use an antenna that responds to a magnetic component. [Read more]

FAQ

TL;DR: SAQ Grimeton transmits 200 kW CW on 17.2 kHz twice a year; "200 kW without lamps or transistors" [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14414876] Use compact E-field or magnetic loops, notch 50 Hz hum, and aim 315° from central Poland.

Why it matters: VLF lets hobbyists copy intercontinental signals with parts you can build in a weekend.

Quick Facts

• Frequency: 17.2 kHz continuous-wave Morse (A1A) [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14414876] • Carrier power: 200 kW at the alternator output [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14414876] • Antenna: 1.9 km flattop supported by six 127 m towers [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14414876] • Public broadcasts: Alexanderson Day (≈ 1 July) and Christmas Eve at 08:00–09:00 UTC [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14493257] • DIY active E-field probe parts ≈ US$15 [Mouser, 2023]

What exactly is the SAQ Grimeton transmitter?

SAQ is a 1924 Alexanderson alternator delivering 200 kW to a 17.2 kHz antenna wire 1.9 km long [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14414876] It sends hand-keyed Morse during short commemorative broadcasts.

How often does SAQ go on the air?

Official transmissions occur twice: Alexanderson Day (nearest Sunday to 2 July) and Christmas Eve morning. Extra tests are sometimes announced on alexander.n.se [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14493257]

Where can I find the next broadcast schedule?

Check alexander.n.se’s SAQ Transmission page. It lists confirmed UTC times and any additional dates [alexander.n.se].

Can a mechanical generator really be a radio transmitter?

Yes. An alternator with many pole pairs produces 17.2 kHz directly; the rotating armature replaces modern RF stages [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14414876] Electrical modulation is done with a magnetic amplifier.

Why do some users avoid calling 17 kHz "RF"?

RF often implies ≥30 kHz. At 17 kHz we are in VLF, bordering audio, so some engineers prefer “low-frequency electromagnetic wave” [Elektroda, KaW, post #15089103]

How large must an efficient 17 kHz antenna be?

A half-wave in free space equals 8.7 km. SAQ compromises with a 1.9 km flattop and 200 kW to overcome mismatch losses [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #14414876]

Which receive antenna works best for VLF at home?

City listeners choose active E-field probes (Mini-Whip) or shielded magnetic loops to reject mains hum [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #15092723] Open fields favor a simple grounded vertical GP of 2–3 m [DL1DBC design].

What simple receiver can I build?

Combine an op-amp high-impedance preamp with a sound card and SAQrx software. Parts cost under US$20 [TechLib VLF Whistle; Mouser, 2023].

How do I align a magnetic loop toward Grimeton?

  1. Look up your coordinates.
  2. Use the FCC azimuth tool; note bearing to 57°6′ N 12°27′ E.
  3. Rotate the loop for peak signal nulling local noise [Elektroda, TechEkspert, post #15092723]

Is copying SAQ legal worldwide?

Passive reception is legal in most countries because no transmission occurs. Always obey local spectrum-monitoring laws; some military regions restrict VLF scanners [ITU-RR 2019].

Are there other interesting VLF/ELF beacons?

Yes. Dual-use naval stations transmit RTTY near 18.1 kHz, and the Japanese JJY time signal runs 40 kHz at 50 kW [JJY, 2022].

What report can I send after reception?

Email your audio clip or SINPO report to info@alexander.n.se. They issue printed QSL cards confirming successful copy [alexander.n.se]."
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