Choosing a 160m2 smart home system: control, monitoring, management

Which system should I choose?
House about 160m2
I'm at the construction stage so I can do anything.



Requirements:
control of lights, gates, electrical sockets,monitoring furnace, underfloor heating circuits, door locks?, video intercom,alarm, maybe sprinklers

Additional requirements:
1 touch panel
mobile applications
management via HTTP would be appreciated


I am looking for a compromise between price and quality.
easy to expand

Do you recommend wired or wireless systems?


Thank you in advance for your help

Maybe wireless, e.g. Fibaro. In my opinion, wireless systems offer a lot for little money and are also very easy to expand.

Hello
Personally I for one do not recommend Fibaro.
One of many reasons: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3120890.html
You can read more about Fibaro on our forum.

Contact http://www.nexwell.eu and describe your requirements.

Of installers and users, hardly anyone recommends Fibaro any more, but the marketing and momentum is very good.
I also recommend Nexwell, with a new building only wired installation - wireless would be total stupidity.

Thank you for your answers

I have had Nexwell in my sights from the very beginning

Can you recommend any reliable and sensible specialists from the Mazovia region (Piseczno, Warsaw area)

Then you have nexwell installers
http://www.nexwell.eu/mapa-nexwell-5

what about the price? For example, Fibaro is quite reasonably priced, and in Norway there is a popular system from the Swedish company Telldus called Tellstick - it costs very little

there is also the Polish zamel

PBK wrote:

there is still a Polish zamel

How under zamel do you want to connect the touch panel and connect to ethernet?

i am not a specialist in this field but I know that Zamel offers smart home systems

There is also the Polish F&F. There is also a Polish F&F. They have a wide range of equipment, but I don't know what the prices are in relation to the competition, but you can always check, but only the installer has access to the prices unless you search for devices individually
And you can always do it on the Polish SATEL you will have a 2 in 1 alarm and automation only it does not give all the possibilities but you could have both the touch panel and applications and control by wireless.

with FIBARO cameras and motion detectors with reed switches on doors and windows, does it make sense to additionally charge the Satel alarm?

I was recently faced with such a choice and decided in favour of Grenton www.grenton.pl. It is mainly because of the possibility of configuring the system without an installer, the possibility of creating various applications for smartphones and, last but not least, the price.

Preferably a wired CAN system , e.g. Ampio

Don't take any particular system because you will be left with nothing. Do the installation under PLCs.
I suggest you read https://plcstore.pl/ and phone or skype. I have equipment from them and they helped me design the installation.

What is the cost per port on a PLC? I ask because I know of cheaper solutions with a 5 year warranty

The PLC gives a 10-year warranty (data and time support...
And seriously: what ports?; there are inputs and outputs in the PLC (dedicated and properly protected from damage)

When I wrote about the 3 year warranty I meant the finished system. When naming the ports on the controller I meant inputs and outputs. The proposed plc controller is just a controller, but it is far from realizing a smart building installation. By posting I had in mind a ready-made solution under the customer's expectations. Personally, I don't know of a cheaper proven ready-made solution

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wyros wrote:

Which system should I choose?
House about 160m2
I am in the construction stage so I can do anything.



Requirements:
control of lights, gates, electrical sockets,monitoring furnace, underfloor heating circuits, door locks?, video intercom,alarm, maybe sprinklers

Additional requirements:
1 touch panel
mobile applications
management via HTTP would be appreciated


I am looking for a compromise between price and quality.
easy to expand

Do you recommend wired or wireless systems?


Thank you in advance for your help

I recently attended a Grenton training course, I was persuaded by a colleague because he would like to install a system and I am more "technical" than him . To date I have not installed any home automation systems on anyone else's homes, I have only tested various systems on my own. I can honestly say with my knowledge of computer science and electrical engineering that this system is very interesting compared to the ones I have played with. I like the serial communication (something like CAN in a car), if you are in the process of building it, just pull a twisted pair from point to point (they recommend in series), min 4 wires. The boxes are preferably 70. The hardware is mounted in the boxes or cabinet, you can also use Z-wave wireless solutions. Of course you can use touch panels, remote controls (coming soon), or switches. I was more interested in the part of the training with the configuration of the whole system it is just fabulous. They have a programme where you create different events. Everything is graphical, you don't have to operate in code (but you can). You can configure the whole system to your heart's content (you are only limited by your imagination), and we can fully manage the android app.

Connecting the system from the technical side is not complicated, but the more advanced configuration in the program is already a higher school of travel, here mathematicians will certainly cope well with the program ).

Maybe something from https://www.crestron.com/solutions/market/hom...nhouses-apartments-residential-mdu-automation
I've actually only dealt with audiovisual systems but I see they also do BMS.

Lukasino wrote:

I recently attended a Grenton training course, I was persuaded by a colleague because he wanted to install a system and I am more 'technical' than him . Up to now I have not installed any home automation systems for strangers, I have only tested various systems for myself. I can honestly say with my knowledge of computer science and electrical engineering that this system is very interesting compared to the ones I have played with. I like the serial communication (something like CAN in a car), if you are in the process of building it, just pull a twisted pair from point to point (they recommend in series), min 4 wires. The boxes are preferably 70. The hardware is mounted in the boxes or cabinet, you can also use Z-wave wireless solutions. Of course you can use touch panels, remote controls (coming soon), or switches. I was more interested in the part of the training with the configuration of the whole system it is just fabulous. They have a programme where you create different events. Everything is graphical, you don't have to operate in code (but you can). You can configure the whole system to your heart's content (you are only limited by your imagination), and we can fully manage the android app.

Connecting the system from the technical side is not complicated, but a more advanced configuration in the program is already a higher school of travel, here mathematicians will certainly cope well with the program ).

I have had Grenton about 2 months and continue to be impressed. Recently, a video from TVP with their system appeared on yt, if someone is curious, they can watch it for themselves. For example, you can see what the interfaces might look like: https://youtu.be/jx5wnFAhRZc

Rybczyk wrote:

Lukasino wrote:

I recently attended a Grenton training course, I was persuaded by a colleague because he wanted to install the system and I am more 'technical' than him . Up to now I have not installed any home automation systems for strangers, I have only tested various systems for myself. I can honestly say with my knowledge of computer science and electrical engineering that this system is very interesting compared to the ones I have played with. I like the serial communication (something like CAN in a car), if you are in the process of building it, just pull a twisted pair from point to point (they recommend in series), min 4 wires. The boxes are preferably 70. The hardware is mounted in the boxes or cabinet, you can also use Z-wave wireless solutions. Of course you can use touch panels, remote controls (coming soon), or switches. I was more interested in the part of the training with the configuration of the whole system it is just fabulous. They have a programme where you create different events. Everything is graphical, you don't have to operate in code (but you can). You can configure the whole system to your heart's content (you are only limited by your imagination), and we can fully manage the android app.

Connecting the system from the technical side is not complicated, but a more advanced configuration in the program is already a higher school of travel, here mathematicians will certainly cope well with the program ).

I have had Grenton for about 2 months and continue to be impressed. Recently, a video from TVP with their system appeared on yt, if someone is curious, they can watch it for themselves. You can, for example, see what the interfaces might look like: https://youtu.be/jx5wnFAhRZc

I watched the video, well, I'm impressed by this awake baby - I hope the system distinguishes that it only rolled from side to side
By the way, why do they show the electrical switchboard of a 50 square metre flat in the shell of a building (such is the standard with modern electrical installation without any automation) with the punchings of a completely different switchboard with IB modules ? A potential customer will be fooled by this, and what about electromagnetic compatibility, they have introduced a new standard for routing "high-current" cables with "low-current" cables? , what about the zones for routing the wires themselves, they are doing IB without having a clue about basic electrical principles ?