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Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

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  • Today I would like to present a brief comparison of the two NEO-6M GPS modules. The difference between these modules is the use of a different PCB and a different antenna.
    The described modules in the pictures below.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    Older version on the left, newer on the right.
    I described the first of them some time ago. You can find this description at this link:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3472049.html

    Looking at today's prices, I can say that the module in China has increased a bit more, while on Allegro the price has changed significantly.
    Today, for such a module on Aliexpress, together with the shipment, we have to spend about $ 3.73 with the antenna and on Allegro, the cheapest module with shipment costs PLN 56. The module is available with two different solder mask colors - red and black.
    The cost of the second version of the module is about $ 8.5 including shipping.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    As of today, I do not see any offers for sale of this version on Allegro.
    How are the modules different from each other?
    At first glance, as I mentioned above, a PCB.
    The new module is slightly larger, its dimensions are 37x26x8mm, the dimensions of the old receiver are 36x24x12mm, the dimensions of the antenna are 21x6x7mm.
    The new module has a soldered antenna into the PCB, it is much larger compared to the older version. It has the shape of a rectangle with a side length of 25mm. Another difference is the built-in Micro-B USB socket, of course we still have a 5-pin goldpin socket for communication and power as in the previous version of the receiver.
    On the surface, that's it, the heart of the receiver was the same, i.e. the NEO-6M-0-001 from Ublox.
    What does an additional USB socket give us? Well, here it makes our work with this receiver much easier. Thanks to the USB socket, we can power our module and communicate with it without additional devices as in the previous version, where a UART converter was needed, eg FT232. You only need a USB cable to start working with the receiver. There is no UART converter on the PCB, just look at the documentation of the NEO-6M system to see that this system has a UART interface that is led out to pins 5 and 6, which are here connected directly to the USB socket. Nothing prevents you from adding or soldering a USB cable to a module that does not have a USB socket, eliminating the need to use a UART converter.
    After connecting the cable to the socket and installing the drivers, we only need to find in the device manager under which virtual COM port our module is.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    In the case of Windows 7 we do not need drivers, the system already has the appropriate drivers. In the case of Windows XP you will need the appropriate drivers, I do not know how it will be with newer operating systems. To do this, just install the U-center program from the U-blox website and the system will find the drivers itself after connecting the receiver to the computer. In the attachment at the bottom you will find the package with the program, the program can also be downloaded from the manufacturer's website at this link:
    https://www.u-blox.com/en
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    In the program we have a visualization of the data that our module receives, here we can see how many satellites it sees, how strong the signal is, etc.

    When we have the drivers installed and the receiver correctly detected by the system, just use the program, e.g.. HyperTerminal, set the port number shown in the manager and give the same settings as with the older version of the module.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    Our new receiver uses exactly the same NMEA protocol as the old receiver.
    The only difference that can be noticed is the data frame marked with the $ GPTXT tags.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    Current consumption with USB power is about 50mA before catching a FIX and about 40mA after catching a FIX. As a reminder, let me mention that the older version uses 60 and 50mA respectively.
    I did not notice a difference in determining the accuracy of the position - after entering the coordinates into GooglMaps from both receivers, the position on the map is identical. The same goes for e.g. movement speed.
    Cold start time. For the old module, it is usually a dozen or so minutes, although there were cases that after about one and a half minutes I could enjoy the blinking LED, i.e. catching the FIX.
    According to the documentation, a cold start is about 27 seconds, my new copy catches the FIX in a cold start in about 30-35 seconds in a cloudless sky.
    A cold start for a receiver that cannot see the sky, e.g. in an apartment about 2 meters from the window, takes several minutes.
    I did a few more tries to see the difference for a warm start. Here it turns out that, for example, the old receiver finds its position after about 6 seconds, when we give it power again after a 2-minute break. The new one again takes more than 30 seconds to catch the position. I tried several times and it does not matter if the receiver was previously powered for 30 minutes or for example 2 minutes. It turns out that, apparently, the battery in my newer version is damaged.
    For example, after an hour of operation of the receiver and disconnecting it from the power supply, the battery is only 1.5V and after a few seconds it drops to zero. Of course, the rechargeable battery has power when working from the USB socket because during operation we have over 3V there. The older version is better but also does not last as much as a few months ago. As of today, it is only a few minutes. Maybe discharging the battery to zero shortens its life.
    Summing up, I think it is worth giving a pair of zlotys more for a larger antenna, which will allow for faster positioning. The USB port makes working with the receiver much easier and relieves the need for a UART converter.

    How to change the baud rate BAUDRATE ?
    We launch the U-center program.
    We connect to our receiver.
    We select in the tab VIEV MESAGES VIEW or just hit F9.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    Then move the slider down.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    We choose from the list UBX
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    Then we choose CFG (CONFIG) and next PRT (PORTS)
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    We open up BAUDRATE and from the list we choose the speed we want to work with.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    After selecting the appropriate speed, press the button SEND in the lower left corner of the window and our receiver resets.
    Comparison of two NEO-6M GPS receivers

    From now on, the communication speed is as we have chosen. Unfortunately, after cutting the power, the settings will return to previously saved. To permanently save the speed selected by us, we must go to CFG (CONFIGURATION) by moving the slider a little higher. Here we have to choose SAVE CURRET CONFIGURATION in the window DEVICES choose 0-BBR and 1-FLASH and once again save this configuration by sending it to the receiver, i.e. by clicking the button SEND at the bottom of the window on the left. From now on, we will be able to work with the receiver at the speed we choose, even after disconnecting the power supply.

    PS. Looking for current prices, I noticed that for the price of about $ 1.2 you can buy a housing for the NEO6M receiver from Asian friends. I remember when about 10 years ago I bought a similar receiver (I do not know what was inside because I did not unscrew it) for the amount of about PLN 200, fearing the accuracy of the indications. I based my concerns on the price comparison of the receiver and ordinary GPS navigation. It turned out that the fears were unnecessary because such a receiver, after connecting to a laptop and starting AutoMapa, led to the destination without fail.

    I think that such a receiver nowadays, with the popularity of smartphones, will probably not be useful to anyone as an extension of the laptop with navigation, but you can use it, for example, to build your own GPS tracker.

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  • #2
    GGK
    Level 12  
    Interesting review. I am trying to build a GPS module for the Nikon d5100. If you manage to use usb and change the baud rate, such a module is enough.
  • #3
    Jarus13
    Level 12  
    It's a pity you didn't compare the newer N8M modules. 6M is quite old, for example, it lacks Glonass, Galileo, etc. I use N8M and N6M and there is a gap between them when it comes to the time of catching a fix or positioning accuracy. N8M caught my fix in the workshop where N6M didn't see any satellite. Chinese N8M is bought below PLN 50, 6M probably around 30, so in my opinion it is better to pay extra.
  • #4
    harkonnen
    Level 17  
    Does the N8N have the ability to receive GPS + Glonass together? Do you have to choose either GPS or Glonass?
  • #5
    grala1
    VAG group specialist
    GGK , I did not think anyone would want to change the baud rate so I did not describe it.
    This can be done, for example, with the U-center program. I added a description to the article.

    Jarus13 , I do not have N8M so I had no way to compare.
    The history of this receiver is such that during its first attempts it was impossible to communicate with it, which I also wrote about in the first article about these receivers. As a result, a second receiver was purchased, but a slightly different version of the PCB was found, hence the idea to compare both, because as you can see, the same system and there is a difference.

    I see that this M8N is going to be bought on Aliexpress at a similar price as the NEO-6M with built-in USB.

    Maybe if there is a lot of interest in M8N on the topic, a third article will be created because I can see that it is a fairly salable module on Aliexpress.
  • #6
    ftdi
    Level 12  
    It would be interesting to compare the M8N and M8P-2 with RTK.
    2.5 cm accuracy with RTK.
  • #7
    krzysiek_krm
    Level 39  
    grala1 wrote:
    I see that this M8N is going to be bought on Aliexpress

    How does the Chinese version of this module compare to the original one?
    ftdi wrote:
    2.5 cm accuracy with RTK.

    I think you need to get RTK support from somewhere.
  • #8
    ftdi
    Level 12  
    You need 2 M8P-2s and pair them with a radio modem.
    In a word, make your own reference station.

    I am using the M8N (rather not the original :) from the Polish auction site and is accurate, but while the vehicle is in motion.
    Stationary, unfortunately, the error exceeds 2.5 m.
  • #9
    Jarus13
    Level 12  
    @ftdi , I do not have such a problem, I used the M8N in the quadrocopter and with the auto landing the error was up to 10cm. When testing on a desk about 3m away from the window, the accuracy was about 1m. My M8N is French made, possibly with the original module.
    I can use it for testing because I don't use it at the moment.
  • #10
    karolen1
    Level 11  
    M8N what is the real accuracy? It is possible that in the open space of about 50 cm. Has anyone tried to fasten 2 of these devices in rtk?
  • #11
    PIOTOM0
    Level 20  
    I did RTK on two M8P-2 with 868 MHz radios, my own reference station and receiver in motion. Drotek ready-made modules. Other elements - what was at hand.

    After establishing the position (fix) of the base station, very precise measurements in motion. The accuracy obtained is a few cm.
  • #12
    karolen1
    Level 11  
    What was the cost of the whole set? What is the real range from the station?
  • #13
    PIOTOM0
    Level 20  
    The cost of 2 pcs NEO M8P-2-11 GPS Tiny RTK https://store-drotek.com/794-DP0501.html with 2 antennas is about 480 euro including VAT, customs and shipping to pl.

    The cost of 2 radio modems - in our case, industrial, about PLN 3,600, purchased for another project a few years ago. You can and even should replace them with others because they have been withdrawn from production.
    I propose to replace with dedicated modems for about 50 euro:
    https://store-drotek.com/642-radio-telemetry-kit-433mhz-500mw.html
    Or do something on LoRa modules.

    The rest are cables, housings, tripods and other small elements (about PLN 300).

    The range from the station depends on the terrain and is the same as the coverage of radio modems and the used antennas - transmitting and receiving.
    In our case, it really did not have to exceed 0.5 kilometer.
    We wanted accuracy in measurements close to the reference station, which we managed to achieve.

    Theoretically, the RTK base gives a centimeter correction within a radius of no more than 10 km - the positioning accuracy drops further.
  • #14
    pabog
    Level 10  
    Hello, I would like to use two Ublox ZED-F9P RTK modules as in the link https://www.u-blox.com/en/product/c099-f9p-application-board

    One as a mobile station, the other as a base station. I am interested in connecting these two stations via a radio modem. I was thinking about the option of using the RDF900 915Mhz.

    Like here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001124194715.html

    But this band is probably reserved with us. Can RFD868 + radio modems as in the link below be used in our location?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-RFD868-PLUS-Long...-Diversity/232095797418?hash=item3609fcd0aa:g :P a4AAOSwLnBX6a7G