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How to design a smart home? Choosing systems and devices

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  • #1 17551552
    mix_net
    Level 2  
    Welcome.

    Such a topic. I'm in front of a general refurbishment of my flat. I have always wanted to create some sort of substitute for a smart flat. Unfortunately, I am a complete layman when it comes to systems, possibilities, even nomenclature. I know that there are different protocols (z-wave, zigbee) wireless and wired systems. Some "talk" to each other better, others worse.

    I've been thinking about how I'd like it to look, what has always bothered me in my flat, what I'd like to improve, what 'trinkets' to go for.

    First issue. A central control in the house somewhere on the wall. I can't imagine reaching for my phone every time, firing up the app to, for example, turn on the lights, then firing up a second app to set the temperature on the radiator. I found something like this
    called Zipato Zipatile. It looks great. Elegant and on paper having everything. Works with various systems. For example, Philips Hue, which I would also like to operate (Philips switches are not the prettiest). Unfortunately, I have found practically no information about it on Polish websites, and there are complaints about this control panel on e.g. Amazon. I tried to find something similar, but either there is none or I searched poorly.

    What I would like to do.

    1. a control panel something like the above, which would be the heart of the whole system, and which would not restrict me too much when it comes to systems. Plus, of course, remote control/control from anywhere in the world.
    2 I have come up with this bit of trivia. I live in Silesia and we have always had a problem with dust. Plus I have a cat. Practically the flat can be vacuumed twice a day. The air is average. I'd like some kind of sensor that tests the air quality, humidity, dustiness. If it exceeds any of those standards, an irobot automatically starts up in my flat, cleans, and then starts up my air purifier/humidifier/ioniser. Sounds like science fiction, but it's probably a piece of cake.
    3. Hue lighting.
    4. a flood sensor.
    5. thermostats for radiators.
    6. Some sort of simple alarm + camera. I know it's quite complicated here. A decent alarm means securing all windows, doors, rather a wired system. I'm more concerned with something much simpler.


    This is just for starters. It's important for me to be able to intervene in the system on an ongoing basis, so that if I want to add to it at a later date, it won't be a problem. If the costs are high, I could then do it in stages.

    Initially. I would like to implement point 1, point 2 would make my life a lot more comfortable, point 6 would have to be given a lot of thought, as I will only be digging into the walls once. The rest is probably already done wirelessly (flood sensor, smoke, gas, thermostats) and would be implemented at later times. I am open to any suggestions. The budget is deliberately not given. It's all about the basics for now.
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  • #3 17554117
    mix_net
    Level 2  
    yanes wrote:
    There was an interesting discussion on this topic https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2050795.html


    I have read the whole thing. The topic has been blown way out of proportion.
    Let me ask it another way.

    Zipato Zipatile control panel as a base and linking into one system + operation/remote viewing. Requirements.

    1. All sockets in the house under control from anywhere in the world.
    2. Alarm considering that I only want to secure the front door.
    3. cat tracking camera ;) .
    4. electrically operated windows and possibly roller shutters.
    5. In addition flood, smoke, gas, air quality sensor.

    This in terms of automation.

    As far as the scenes are concerned, however, this is a start.

    1. the air sensor tests my air quality. If it exceeds the set values, the air purifier is switched on and then the cleaning robot is started (or vice versa, or all at once :) ).
    2. the room temperature sensor tests the current temperature. If it goes beyond the added values, it turns up/down the temperature on the radiators and opens/closes the windows.

    I think that in the later phase, when the installation has been set up in this way, such trifles as switching on the coffee machine at the same time as the alarm clock or including the oven remotely at a preset time will be no big deal.
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  • #4 17645373
    omnixcrs
    Level 11  
    I've just finished building my IoT system in my flat in the block..... and I'll just tell you this: given your requirements and scenes it only sounds so simple, believe me. The realisation of what you have written involves kilometres of hardware and software cables.
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  • #5 17646176
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    There are other trivial questions.
    1. Who will service it ? .
    2 What happens if a component breaks down and the manufacturer no longer makes one ?
    After 10-15 years of operation.
  • #6 17656663
    renesans
    Level 2  
    @mix_net I don't know if everything you wrote in the requirements can be implemented ( everything can be done just keep in mind the cost ) . As far as the central control of such a smart flat is concerned, you should invest in an iPad ( mounted in a frame built into the wall or on top of it ) - this would be your window to operate with the flat system ( of course a dedicated app for your phone is as much as possible available -- Android , iOS -- you can supervise your flat from anywhere in the world provided you have the appropriate option purchased from your internet provider.
    The entire installation is "wired" .
    Let's say you have a 4-wire installation to the sockets (controllable, non-controllable sockets - what and how should be considered at the design stage as it affects what will be put into the "cabinet".
    Lighting? Classic chandeliers? LED strips? Single-colour? RGB+W? Dimmable? The number of wires and the choice of 230V, 24V power supply depends on this.
    A control bus to the switches.
    Accessories / automatics: control of roller blinds, control of valves on radiators, control of exhaust fans, temperature sensors, heating of mirrors in bathrooms ....
    Alarm installation / automatics -- motion detectors, contractrons, flood detectors, chad detectors, sleeping gas detectors ....

    What with what? Such an example of speculation. Let's say there is a motion detector from the alarm in the bathroom. While the alarm is inactive, when you enter the bathroom, the overhead light comes on (e.g. from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m., and from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m., LED strips at 10 % power instead of the ceiling lamp). There is a "button" by the entrance door and inside by the mirror which we can use to force any source of light with the possibility to adjust the level of LEDs.

    There are temperature sensors in the switch boxes which tell the system to open or close the electro-valves on the radiators, the windows can also be controlled, although I only had contact with controlled windows mounted in the roof.
    Roller shutters can be controlled manually from a button by the window as well as coupled to an alarm or a "scene" which requires the shutters to close. The roller shutters can be controlled manually from a button at the window or coupled to an alarm or a "scene" which requires the shutters to close or open.

    This could be a problem with a cat.
    IT installation? TV installation? Some kind of music server?
    An air quality sensor? I have been in contact with a "weather station". -- dry / wet; dark / light.

    And here comes the need for a space where cabinets with this "intelligence" can be mounted.
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