Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

SZYMON BYDGOSZCZ wrote:

cichy koksik wrote:

they put up an item for PLN 50 and a shipment for PLN 100 (example) in order not to pay a commission.

I have submitted such auctions dozens of times and maybe they have removed them from 5 auctions.

Check this out:

https://allegro.pl/oferta/monitor-wyswietlacz-ekran-megane-iii-259156554r-9320337393

https://allegro.pl/uzytkownik/Telefon66424422...ct-cl-eyesa2-engag-glob_base_5_4-uni-1-2-0522

Perhaps it is high time to tell them that you will come directly for the goods and pay on delivery.
Maybe it will teach them.

Some costs of sending (delivery) are up to 1000 PLN. I think that for some reason they will not agree to pickup in person. It is only less than 50 km from me. Pickup in person would not be a problem for me. The cost of shipping some of his items is PLN 15-20 (most of them with a parcel valued PLN 200). The larger ones are not PLN 1000 100 - 200 PLN. Maybe someone try to arrange a pickup in person. It probably won't be possible.

The topic has long been discussed on the electrode.
Then the majority of votes appeared that "if you don't suit you, you don't have to buy" etc.
Apparently, allegro sellers contacted.

In my humble opinion, if someone sells an item for PLN 20, the cost of the shipment is PLN 50, we get a package, and there the shipping cost of PLN 15 (not 50) is an ordinary swagger who cheated both me and Allegro.
And I bet this falls under a paragraph ...

Justyniunia wrote:

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In my humble opinion, if someone sells an item for PLN 20, the cost of the shipment is PLN 50, we get a package, and there the shipping cost of PLN 15 (not 50) is an ordinary swagger who cheated both me and Allegro.
And I bet this falls under a paragraph ...

After all, the cost of shipping is not only the payment for the carrier, but also packaging + packaging and sometimes delivery to the pickup point. What the carrier took are not the costs to be returned by the buyer. It is reasonable to take into account the costs of preparing the package when evaluating the shipping costs. Of course, without overdoing it, as it is in the auctions linked above.

Justyniunia wrote:

In my humble opinion, if someone sells an item for PLN 20, the cost of the shipment is PLN 50, we get a package, and there the shipping cost of PLN 15 (not 50) is an ordinary swagger who cheated both me and Allegro.

But what's the problem? Does not fit? I'm not buying.

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek wrote:

Justyniunia wrote:

In my humble opinion, if someone sells an item for PLN 20, the cost of the shipment is PLN 50, we get a package, and there the shipping cost of PLN 15 (not 50) is an ordinary swagger who cheated both me and Allegro.

But what's the problem? Does not fit? I'm not buying.

Of course. Comparing the shipping costs paid with the courier's costs upon delivery and a claim for this is dilettant. The more so if it was possible to collect it in person for PLN 0.

Justyniunia wrote:

And I bet this falls under a paragraph ...

Bet accepted. How much are we betting?

You still don't understand what I mean.
Yes, something does not suit me, I do not buy.

Now, when selling something, enter 50 PLN in the price column and delete me 15, then it will be ok?

Even the greedy AVT can honestly write "packing and shipping cost". Then everything is fine and there is nothing to complain about. But when I see the shipping cost of PLN 50 and then on the address label, 11.50, it hits me.

Justyniunia wrote:

... But when I see the shipping cost of PLN 50 and then on the address label, 11.50, it hits me.

The shipping cost, I repeat, consists of many components including the cost of packaging and materials for it, not just the shipping company fee. If you still do not understand, report under the paragraph. As proof, volunteer (without payment) to pack packages with your materials. Then the shipper will only charge the shipping company fee.
PS.
It happened to me that when paying for the repair, the customer asked (a) with surprise: Is that how much the parts cost? Think similar to yours when shipping items.

So write honestly. I understand that the box, bubble wrap, etc. costs. But within reason, and here we're talking about something else, right?

Once I bought a locomotive for the Piko cable car. I knew that the package costs (then) 9.5. The guest posted PLN 12 shipping, sent an e-mail that the few PLN more are for a box, parking lot under the UP etc. I don't see a problem. Sure thing. It is not clear here, but if you are ok, let it be ok.

Justyniunia wrote:

Once I bought locomotives for the Piko cable car ... The guest posted PLN 12 per shipment, sent an e-mail saying that 2.5 is for the envelope, parking lot under the UP etc. I don't see a problem. Sure thing...

If you know what the shipping costs are in advance, that's OK.
PS.
He didn't have to explain to you how much each wheel costs this locomotive whatever it was (that locomotive)? How much do the individual other items cost? It wasn't a problem that he only gave the total price without breaking down into individual components? I am a bit surprised that you did not wish for such a list

Don't make me an accountant or a pharmacist ? I'm not that scary A locomotive. (corrected)
But seriously, I think the situation should be clear and laid out on a plate. As someone writes that the price of the item is, for example, 1 PLN and the shipping of 50 is pounding on bamboo and with me and the Allegro

Justyniunia wrote:

Don't make me an accountant or a pharmacist ? I'm not that scary ...

It would be worthwhile to apply your measure equally to different topics, not just some. Shipping Cost ? Shipping fee for the shipping company, and this is (at least should be) clear to everyone.

I write about it all the time, just let it be clear.
I understand that the box and foil and parking are also expensive.

Justyniunia wrote:

I write about it all the time, just let it be clear.
I understand that the box and foil and parking are also expensive.

The valuation of these shipping costs is the responsibility of the sender and there is no obligation to calculate analytically how much it costs. The price is contractual and literally without the need to prove. Of course, overestimating shipping costs and lowering the price of goods is, first of all, to avoid part of the commission for Allegro (you are on average interested in this). Secondly, in the event of the buyer withdrawing from the contract, only the (underestimated) value of the goods is returned. This must be taken into account when buying. You can see it all clearly.

Well, we finally got along.

As for the shipment, one man has upset me recently, you can see that he is just starting his activity on A. I bought the item, shipping PLN 8.99 inpost, kind of great, but the shipment of the equipment is about + 20 PLN. foils (not bubble), broken casing etc. So what, cheap, I would love to pay him more, but there was no such option. I did not suspect that I would pack it so sloppy. The complaint will not give me anything because the Vintage equipment will not write that it is unique, but difficult to get, maybe in a few months it will be the same model, for now I am trying to straighten this housing with home methods.

DiZMar wrote:

Justyniunia wrote:
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In my humble opinion, if someone sells an item for PLN 20, the cost of the shipment is PLN 50, we get a package, and there the shipping cost of PLN 15 (not 50) is an ordinary swagger who cheated both me and Allegro.
And I bet this falls under a paragraph ...

After all, the cost of shipping is not only the payment for the carrier, but also packaging + packaging and sometimes delivery to the pickup point. What the carrier took are not the costs to be returned by the buyer. It is reasonable to take into account the costs of preparing the package when evaluating the shipping costs. Of course, without overdoing it, as it is in the auctions linked above.

Seriously, the buyer has to pay for the box, time and labor in packing and shipping? Kinda funny.
It is enough to enter the correct amount that the seller wants for the product and not to artificially increase the shipping cost.
When going to the store and buying, for example, butter, which is insanely cheap and at the checkout, it turns out that, in addition to butter, I have to pay 23% VAT, for printing a receipt, for customer service. As a result, you find out that the price of the butter on the shelf is 2x less than what you are supposed to pay at the checkout.
The same situation is the undercutting prices on the Allegro. The seller should provide the correct amount. It would save the buyer's time. Because he probably would not have entered the auction if he thought that, for example, for the road. Moreover, if he was looking for the cheapest offer, the given auction would not be displayed because the price would be, for example, too high.
Thanks to the correct price, it would be much nicer to look for items at the auction.

jou300 wrote:

... When going to the store and buying, for example, butter, which is insanely cheap and at the checkout, it turns out that, in addition to butter, I have to pay 23% VAT, for printing a receipt, for customer service. As a result, you find out that the price of the butter on the shelf is 2x less than what you are supposed to pay at the checkout.
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Well, how can you manipulate so senselessly? If Allegro had a different price without specifying shipping costs, your example would be comparable. After all, the price of the goods and the cost of possible delivery are clearly stated at the auction (on a store shelf). When you buy butter in an online home delivery store, do you not pay for delivery? If you pay for delivery, do you require the cost of delivery to be exactly the same as the supplier will charge the store? In both cases (Allegro and in the online store) there are offers with free delivery. If there is a paid delivery, you have nothing to do with the cost of the delivery to the store (with butter or the seller on Allegro). You have specified the delivery (shipping) cost that you are to pay and you buy or not. Oh how deep a commune is there in some
I remind you

DiZMar wrote:

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It happened to me that when paying for the repair, the customer asked (a) with surprise: Is that how much the parts cost? Think similar to yours when shipping items.

DiZMar wrote:

Secondly, in the event of the buyer withdrawing from the contract, only the (underestimated) value of the goods is returned

The value of the item is returned together with the cost of shipping - even if it would be PLN 1000.
What's more,

DiZMar wrote:

Valuation of these elements of shipping costs belongs to the sender and there is no obligation to calculate analytically how much it costs

Provided that the seller does not go too far with these costs.
Besides, it is actually funny when someone has a serious business and complains that he has to pay someone to pack the parcel
It's best to avoid such smarts ...

After all, this matter can be clearly regulated by the regulations. Well, what's on the receipt? What's the name of the position? Shipment or packaging and shipment? If the shipment is the cost of a third party service, the costs of storage and packaging should be included in the price of the goods. It is as if the lady in the store charged you additionally for putting your purchases in the bag, or even better, adding a transport and storage fee (for delivering and storing goods on shelves). These things are normally included in the price of the goods. When you buy 5 kg of potatoes on the stall, the seller charges you for the bag and loading these potatoes into the bag?

The price of the goods on the shelf (at the auction) does not have to include shipping costs, i.e. additional packaging, including materials, delivery to the carrier and carrier fees. Some or all of these costs may or may not be included in the price of the goods, because they are additional costs at the buyer's request. When buying in the store, we pay the price from the shelf, but if we request additional packaging (e.g. decorative) or delivery to the address indicated, the store may charge (but does not have to) an additional fee. The aforementioned butter with home delivery is unlikely to be sold without a surcharge, despite the fact that only the price of butter was displayed on the shelf. At the auction, in addition to the price of the goods, shipping costs are specified and the buyer has nothing to do with the method of pricing these costs. The method of pricing and the amount of shipping costs are the sole responsibility of the seller. This does not mean that after negotiating with a specific buyer, he cannot change (reduce) them.

New is coming!
commission on shipping costs?
We will not give up:

(quote from the description of the item of one of the sellers)

"From June 2020, Allegro charges a commission on shipping costs, which was included in the delivery price lists, to avoid this we choose electronic delivery PLN 0.00 and then pay to a separate account via the PayU system, the real shipping costs, according to the Polish Post price list, or we send e-mail -email your own Envelo label, InPost ect. "

And what is only Poczta Polska, the only carrier in Poland? And why according to the price list? Some total nonsense.

Erbit wrote:

The entire cost (whatever it is) is borne by the consumer, not the seller. The taxes are also paid by the consumer, the seller only transfers them to the Tax Office ...

Of course, the entire cost is borne by the consumer. It cannot be otherwise. It doesn't matter what the individual ingredients are. It is important to know this before buying. On Ali, apparently, something else during shopping and something else in the summary in the basket. This is just a scandal, because you may not notice it. That's why I don't buy quinola. Let the honest ones blame the scammers programming something else at the auction and something else in the basket. If I buy at any auction, the price for me is the one with the shipment, regardless of how the seller shared it. The complaints that the goods are cheap and the shipment expensive is idiocy for me
Just add up and it's the real price. Is it so hard? It can be reduced individually by purchasing multiple items for the same shipping price. I do that often. As mentioned earlier, avoiding the Allegro commission is of average interest to me. As you can see, Allegro has already found a way. What is it all about? When returning the goods, the seller is said to also refund the shipping costs, but I have not checked it in the regulations and I doubt that it results directly from the regulations. I might be wrong.