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Commercialisation of a WiFi plug-in on the ESP8266 - what features would be of interest?

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What features should a commercial ESP8266 Wi‑Fi plug offer to appeal to DIY users or mainstream customers?

A DIY-focused version should expose USB/programming access so users can upload their own firmware, or at least offer pre-integration with systems like OpenHab and Domoticz; for that market, the hardware itself is the main draw [#15644221] [#15646153] For a mainstream product, the thread says you need the whole ecosystem, proper safety features, and required certifications such as CE, because once you sell to ordinary users you also take responsibility for security and liability [#15643994] [#15644520] [#15644568] Several replies suggest that the most useful added function is more than simple on/off switching: power/current measurement, at minimum a 0/1 indication that current is actually flowing when the relay is closed, helps detect a plugged-in device whose own switch is off [#15648382] Another proposed direction is to add thermometers and local automation rules, e.g. turning heating on below a set temperature, but this must be designed with safety and robust fail-safe behavior in mind [#15646153] [#15646229] The thread also leans toward local control and open integration rather than a cloud-only solution, because cloud dependence and remote-service liability were seen as major drawbacks [#15648376] [#15643994]
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  • #61 15648231
    Jado_one
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    I like this line best: "Your WIFIPLUG will always be synced with your private account in our Amazon Secured Home Cloud.
    GUARANTEED to be online until 2020" ;-)
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    Jado_one
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    This means that de facto control of your sockets, will be in Amazon's hands, and after 2020, it may shut down this service, which will severely e.g. reduce the functionality of these sockets (or stop working altogether?).
    Or it may also demand some kind of additional (subscription?) fee for the continued use of the aforementioned service, etc....
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    Jado_one wrote:
    I wonder if, for example, the beginnings of device spoilage manifesting itself as an increase in device power consumption above standard values could be detected in this way. With constant monitoring you could probably catch something like that (but it probably happens once per....).

    https://internetrzeczywpraktyce.blogspot.com/2016/01/oszczedzanie-pradu-w-firmie.html
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    In telecommunications, I am familiar with OSS solutions: Operation Support Systems. You connect probes to various places in the telecommunications network, make a map of the devices, map it to the probes and you can see where you need to optimise - trends on the server (e.g. increase in demand for CPU or memory): there is also a place for this here; this answers the question of whether you can detect the beginnings of a device breaking down: yes you can, you can also predict that the consumption of something there is increasing and in a month it will exceed a critical value
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    Jado_one
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    To be honest, I'm not thrilled with cloud technology :-)
    I would rather prefer Fog Computing - i.e. what doesn't require a connection to a remote server we operate locally, and only those services that require internet access (as this is required for them to make sense) we take outside.

    Manufacturers will release devices with "IoT Only" in some time - and you won't be able to buy others, then there will be no way out.
    But for now ;-)

    However, you have to be prepared for extra charges for IoT-related services - because that is, after all, what manufacturers are after.

    The electronics engineer, fortunately, can make many of the devices himself, working to his own rules :-)
    Which I encourage you to do.
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    In my opinion, an accurate measurement of the power consumption of the WiFi plug is not necessary. However, it should be borne in mind that devices with their own switch will be connected to it. So it may be useful to know 0/1 whether any current flows when the relay contact is shorted. It will probably often happen that someone will connect that proverbial heater but its switch will be in the OFF position. The user may find that the remote control has broken down.
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    TvWidget wrote:
    In my opinion, an accurate measurement of the power consumption of the WiFi plug is not necessary. However, bear in mind that you will be connecting devices with their own switch. So it may be useful to know 0/1 whether any current flows when the relay contact is shorted. It will probably often happen that someone will connect that proverbial heater but its switch will be in the OFF position. The user may find that the remote control has broken down.


    very good idea
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    Jado_one wrote:
    Makers will release devices with "IoT Only" in some time - and there will be no way to buy others, then there will be no way out.
    And this is where Fellow's product @lukaszrzepinski - more expensive, probably niche, but providing privacy.
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