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2.2kW ER25 electric spindle from a "dachshund" type motor.

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TL;DR

  • Builds a DIY ER25 electric spindle from a 2.2 kW, 2800 rpm "dachshund" motor for a small universal milling machine.
  • Measures tool runout at 0.04 mm 20 mm from the nose and reports stable operation up to 50 Hz, with planned use up to 75 Hz.
  • Helps small mill owners and DIY machine builders who need usable torque at low speeds for aluminum and steel without buying a high-speed spindle that lacks low-speed torque.
  • Shows that a modified motor can be a practical spindle option when budget and torque matter more than maximum rpm.
  • Uses a wheel hub bearing from an Audi A3 instead of precision angular-contact bearings, so the design trades some ideal bearing choice and balancing for simpler, cheaper assembly.
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  • #2 16217154
    FoxTech
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    An interesting project, but without access to a lathe, you can only read how others do it :(
    Has the spindle already passed a steel test? If so, I have a question, what would a colleague do differently / better if he did this spindle again?
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    Krzysztof Kamienski
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    2800 rpm as a milling spindle ?? Buddy, to the store for an inverter, and fast, with a higher output frequency. :cry: For which materials should this milling machine be used?
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    Krzysztof Kamienski
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    @ Art.B Yeah, a few years ago I was repairing a CNC machine from USA for regeneration of ball joints. While the x / y / z axis drives were "classic" (DC servo motors with encoders and trapezoidal screws), the headstock ... oh ho, ho .. :D .. 8 kW three-phase synchronous motor, water cooled and driven by a special inverter up to 500 Hz ..... 30,000rpm.
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  • #7 16217973
    ziomal156
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    Krzysztof Kamienski wrote:
    8 kW three-phase synchronous motor, water cooled and driven by a special inverter up to 500 Hz ..... 30,000rpm.


    This is probably normal in electric spindles. Asynchronous and synchronous motors can have a maximum of 3 thousand revolutions at 50hz, you can not squeeze anymore because there is already one field per phase. Synchronous motors have greater efficiency due to the permanent magnet in the rotor, and may have a smaller rotor diameter than with a squirrel cage motor. And the smaller diameter at such revolutions is the lower linear speed of the farthest point, which translates into a decrease in centrifugal force.
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    szymon122
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    Out of curiosity I will ask why this engine is called a dachshund?
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    wojtek1234321
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    szymon122 wrote:
    Why is this engine called a dachshund?

    Because it is "thin" and long, that is, just like a dachshund ... :D :D :D
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    szymon122 wrote:
    Out of curiosity I will ask why this engine is called a dachshund

    Due to the mechanical design - intended to be hidden under the countertop and set the saw directly on the rotor axis. The magnetic poles are narrow and long.
    I do not like the wheel hub bearing entirely - it is not suitable for this. Once it is probably a C4 class bearing, i.e. with a large clearance, two require strong compression of both halves (the inner race consists of two symmetrical halves), which is not ensured by a narrow nut, and three is not suitable for high rotational speeds, especially at elevated temperature.
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    Martin_250
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    A solution if it only fulfills its task, by all means approx.
    The question is, what acceptable working cycles have such dachshunds?
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    Wojtek7878
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    Congratulations Art.B
    I would like to use your idea. I already bought the engine.
    You wrote that the hub had an internal diameter of 24.85mm, can you tell me what the shaft size was? or was it 24.85mm or was it a bit bigger? For me, the shaft has a different dimension, but I mean the difference between these two diameters.
    How did you heat this hub? How did you cool the roller?

    I am still considering the option with an ER socket ended with an ISO30 cone and screwed onto the thread on the motor shaft, of course the hub on the shaft would also have to be, but I do not know if it will not be overconfigured.
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Topic summary

✨ A user presents a self-made 2.2kW ER25 electric spindle utilizing a "dachshund" type motor, specifically the STg90-2D engine from "Przymierza," designed for a small universal milling machine aimed at machining aluminum and steel. The user opted for this custom design over commercially available options due to concerns about torque at lower RPMs and bearing suitability for axial loads. Discussions include the necessity of a lathe for construction, the spindle's RPM limitations, and the importance of using appropriate bearings for stability and performance. The user plans to conduct tests on the spindle once the milling machine is completed. Various responses address the spindle's design, potential improvements, and the characteristics of different motor types.

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TL;DR: DIY ER25 spindle delivers 0.04 mm run-out and “holds 100 % duty power” [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16216705][Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16230680] Built from a 2.2 kW, 2800 rpm STg90-2D “dachshund” motor driven up to 75 Hz (≈4 200 rpm).
Why it matters: It shows how to obtain low-speed torque and tool rigidity on a hobby budget.

Quick Facts

• Motor: 2.2 kW, 2800 rpm STg90-2D, IEC frame 90 mm [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16216705] • Max test frequency: 75 Hz ≈ 4 200 rpm before balance limits [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16217485] • Front bearing: Audi A3 hub 40 × 74 × 40 mm, Cdyn ≈ 44 kN, n_limit = 5 000 rpm [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16223385] • Tool run-out: 0.04 mm at 20 mm gauge length [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16216705] • Interference fit: 0.15 mm shrink-fit hub on 25 mm shaft, heated to 450 °C [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16365138]

Why choose a “dachshund” motor for a milling spindle?

The long, narrow body lets you mount the ER25 chuck close to the bearing, increasing rigidity. Its 2.2 kW rating gives full torque at low speeds when paired with a vector VFD, unlike 24 000 rpm water-cooled spindles that fall below 0.5 kW at 3 000 rpm [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16216705][Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16217485]

What workshop tools are essential for the conversion?

You need a lathe to shorten the shaft, bore the hub and turn bearing seats. Basic drilling/milling helps but most work was done on an entry-level “rice” lathe and ZX-type mill [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16217348]

How is the steel hub fitted to the rotor shaft?

The 50 mm-Ø hub has a 24.85 mm bore. It is heated to 450 °C, slid onto the 25.00 mm shaft for a 0.15 mm interference, then cooled with compressed air, creating a high-strength shrink fit [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16365138]

Why use a car wheel-hub bearing, and what are the drawbacks?

The double-row angular unit gives high preload and integrated seals at low cost. However, C4 clearance and split inner races require strong axial clamping; inadequate preload or >5 000 rpm can overheat it [Elektroda, robokop, post #16222532]

Can it mill steel effectively?

Yes. With a 10 mm HSS end mill and 100 m/min cutting speed, only 3 000 rpm are needed—well within the motor’s torque plateau—so stalling risk is low [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16217485]

How do I break-in the hub bearing?

  1. Run 10 min at 2 000 rpm, let cool.
  2. Increase to 3 000 rpm for 30 min; monitor temperature (<80 °C).
  3. Repeat cycles, adding 5 Hz each time until target speed holds below 70 °C [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16365138]

How does this build compare to a 3 kW Chinese water-cooled spindle?

At 3 000 rpm, a typical 3 kW/24 000 rpm spindle delivers only ~375 W (torque falls with frequency). The dachshund motor retains ~2 kW, eight-fold higher, giving better low-speed metal removal [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16217485]

What duty cycle and cooling can I expect?

Industrial TEFC dachshund motors are rated for 100 % duty (S1), so the spindle can run continuous full load if bearing temperature stays under 90 °C [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16230680]

What would the builder change in a second iteration?

He would replace the automotive bearing with paired P5 7008 angular contacts in an O-arrangement to raise stiffness and allow >10 000 rpm, albeit at triple cost [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16223385]

Is an ISO30 taper on the hub worth adding?

For manual tool changes ER25 is lighter and shorter. ISO30 adds length, mass, and a precision cone seat that is harder to machine; gains appear only if you need automatic drawbar tool change [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16365138]

What happens if the hub bearing overheats?

Grease can liquefy above 90 °C, losing film strength; cages may deform, causing run-out spikes >0.1 mm and potential seizure—an edge-case reported in car hubs run at 6 000 rpm [SKF Tech Note].
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