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    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .
    Tutorial on how to choose a "Smart Building" system. PDF .
    Building Automation with self-installation and development (DIY).
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    In this guide you can read about the „behind-the-scenes” systems Intelligent Building (IB) , helping you to select a developmental system for years to come.

    Content Description of the Guide:
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    General information on IB systems: .
    1) Life expectancy of the IB system
    2) Expansion of the system – after the house is finished
    3) Total functionality of the IB system
    4) Ability to integrate IB with external hardware and other devices
    5) Available communication interfaces and protocols for possible IB system integration
    6) Total costs and benefits of the IB system
    7) Paid and mandatory technical maintenance, available updates, possibility of self-configuration
    (8) Stability and robustness of the system

    eHouse DIY – Integrated system „All-in-one” : wired | wireless, for switchgear | boxes | OEM:
    9) Integrated BMS assumptions - eHouse Hybrid (PRO, LAN, RS-485, CAN, WiFi, RF)
    10) Communication and installation options eHouse Building Automation
    11) General functionality of eHouse building automation
    12) Comparison of major IB system variants eHouse (LAN, RS-485, WiFi, PRO)
    13) Pictures eHouse LAN (DIY), accessories, switchgear 18-32 outputs 230V/16A
    14) eHouse PRO – professional central distribution board 128 inputs / 128 outputs
    15) eHouse WiFi – wireless controllers
    16) Modules DIY2 for hobbyists „do it yourself”: IOT (ESP8266), SPI I/O buffers, I2C for RPI1/2/3 | BananaPRO

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    Nowadays, there is a large selection of „intelligent systems” for the home or flat on the market.It is worth choosing a building automation system more consciously according to your needs and requirements, especially since it is to last for at least a dozen years. Therefore, let us not be guided by the lowest price, a nice control panel or a remote control application. Let's choose a system that is functional, stable and open for the future. modifications, because our expectations change, technologies change - and this usually means additional development costs, much higher than the same elements at the planning stage of the IB system.

    „smart home” systems are largely treated like an expensive gadget in Poland and boil down to remote control of a light or socket. Many manufacturers overuse the word „intelligent” which has distorted the understanding of this phrase somewhat (e.g. an ordinary switch with backlighting is already an intelligent switch according to the manufacturer's description).

    Building automation should, on the other hand, fulfil many practical functions: increase safety, help save electricity and heating, flexibly manage heating or increase the comfort of the home. It should partially work autonomously once configured, performing certain actions without user intervention, and not just allow manual remote control from a panel or smartphone.
    There are many „Smart Home” systems on the market:

    - cheap, market solutions (of the „Price Does Wonders”) type that do not offer the possibility of any integration or development (they often disappear from the market after 2-3 years and have a lifespan similar to the warranty period, as low-life components are used to keep the price to a minimum),
    - expensive systems based on well-known standards/brands (we pay mainly for the logo, advertising and prestige and services, and extending the system costs as much as the basic version),
    - systems that allow integration and expansion and self-development (DIY).

    When selecting an IB system, it is also important to consider:
    - the average lifetime of the system,
    - the possibility of expansion,
    - the total functionality of the entire system,
    - the possibility of integration with external hardware and other devices,
    - available communication interfaces and protocols for possible integration with external systems,
    - costs and benefits of the IB system,
    - available updates,possibility of self-configuration,
    - stability and robustness of the system.
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    1. IB system life expectancy 1.
    The average lifetime of a system is influenced by many factors, e.g. the technology used and miniaturisation.
    - for systems mounted in electrical boxes and small enclosures, it is necessary to use miniature relays, which are many times less robust than standard or industrial ones,
    - due to the lack of ventilation, controllers can also overheat, which significantly reduces their lifetime,
    - radio circuits „lose” their parameters, so that their range deteriorates significantly, mainly due to the loss of capacitor capacitance over time,
    - controllers operating on a serial bus without galvanic isolation are very vulnerable to overvoltages and the resulting damage and destruction of the entire system in the event of a voltage surge (e.g. lightning strike or short-circuit of the bus to 230V mains voltage).
    More information .

    2. Extending the system – after the house is finished .
    Most electrical designs are minimalist, especially in blocks of flats, which is very non-functional and severely limits the ability to position appliances in the home. In order to be able to afford possible future redecoration of the flat, rearrangement of electrical appliances, computer, A/V equipment, it is necessary to make additional electrical points (electrical sockets, sidelights or leave the wires in a masked electrical box or under the plaster) and RTV wiring. Otherwise our house will be dominated by electrical distributors and cables stretched across the rooms.
    Deep (60mm) electrical boxes potentially accommodating automation electronic modules should be used for installation.
    This generates additional costs for us at the beginning, but once the house is finished, the cost of adding the cable increases by several dozen times, taking into account the need to chisel walls, plaster and repaint.
    The way the electrical wiring is laid out in the rooms is also important.
    In order to allow for the installation of almost any system in the future, all wiring should be brought into the room distribution box as in the example eHouse LAN . This will allow us to use both radio trunking systems (e.g. eHouse WiFi ) and wired systems installed in switchboards.
    As a basic system, we ALWAYS recommend wired systems for small switchboards, and only as non-critical system extensions - wireless (dimmers, temperature sensors, etc.), and battery solutions only as a last resort. .

    3. Total IB system functionality .
    Smart home systems have different functionality and capabilities. Systems „non-developmental” and without integration capabilities are much cheaper than those that allow integration and expansion. For example, smart sockets with infrared remote control can be purchased cheaply in markets, but cannot be controlled from outside the home. A distinction can be made between:Control: Local (at home) / Remote (via internet)

    - Types of smart points:
    * on/off inputs – connection of switches, alarm sensors,
    * measurement inputs: connection of sensors (temperature, lighting, humidity, gas),
    * on/off outputs – connection of electrical devices,
    * dual outputs (open/stop/close) – to control roller shutter drives, gates, etc..,
    * dimmers – regulation of lighting levels,
    * infrared receiver – for controlling the IB system from an infrared remote control,
    * infrared transmitter - to control external devices (e.g. audio-video),

    - Control panels: infrared remote controls, smartphone/tablet/SmartTV, PC, WWW, switches,
    - Additional functionality: light scenes, heating programmes, schedule-calendar, drive programmes, security zones, alarm, access control, reports, macros, advanced algorithms, visualisations, etc.

    Please note that the price of selected options is „prohibitive” in some systems:
    e.g.. dedicated operator panels, dimmers, dedicated switches with communication interfaces, etc.

    4. Ability to integrate with external hardware and other devices .
    Gone are the days that we build a house and nothing will change for a dozen years or so. Technology changes so quickly and with it our needs and expectations that we will certainly want to add something to the system in a few years' time without replacing it altogether. That is why it is necessary to use development systems that provide additional capabilities and allow for the integration of external (future necessary devices).
    In order to integrate the system with other devices, it must have external communication interfaces and transmission protocols (open) that allow the system to be managed from the outside and to manage other devices.
    Ideally, the system should have wired and wireless extensions integrated with each other into a coherent whole.

    5. Main communication interfaces and protocols for possible IB system integration .
    The number of available control/management methods, communication interfaces for integration (with a publicised transmission protocol) will determine the ease and cost of integration with external systems:
    - Infrared (easy integration with Audio/Video equipment)
    - BlueTooth
    - WiFi, Ethernet, Internet (*)
    - RS-232, RS-485
    - GSM/SMS .
    - RF
    - HTML Request (WWW) (*)
    - Modbus (TCP/IP *)
    - TCP/IP Client/Server (*)
    - File system, ftp, email (*)
    - etc.
    Methods marked with (*) are particularly advantageous as they do not require additional hardware (communication gateways, interfaces, adapters, power supplies) or the need for knowledge of electronics. These methods allow software integration into systems.
    Read More .

    6. Total costs and benefits of the IB system. .
    The costs associated with a Building Automation system should be looked at in the long term (several years).
    Therefore, it is worth summarising:

    - the cost of a smart point of various types (not only the final price of the system),
    - the cost of IB controllers and mounting accessories, batteries and their average lifetime,
    - some battery radio devices (e.g. temperature sensors) have batteries soldered in, making it impossible to replace them. It is necessary to purchase and replace the entire device with a new one and reconfigure the system due to different device addresses. Ordering a device with the same address as before costs several times more than for a new address,
    - the cost of cabling and wiring (central switching station, room distributors, extension wiring), the service life of the system including cabling (wired up to several years, wireless 3..5 years),
    - the cost of the initial system configuration (if the company performs it) and whether it gives the possibility to change the configuration yourself,
    - the possibility of servicing the system, costs of servicing and replacing individual elements of the system (e.g. the need to replace the entire controller or only the relay),
    - energy gains when controlling individual heating (up to 30%),
    - energy gains when controlling lighting (automatic),
    - humidity control and control of ventilation / recuperation (maintenance of healthy living conditions – no allergens, fungi, mould, damp walls, reduction of thermal transmittance of walls, reducing the need for repairs to a minimum).

    7. Paid and mandatory technical maintenance, updates available, self-configuration. .
    The undoubted benefit and financial gain is the ability to update the software and change the configuration yourself without having to call for service and pay for additional service and travel. These are very important features for any system or installer themselves. If the owner does not have the ability to change the configuration or modify the system himself based on current needs, he may unexpectedly multiply the costs of the system by having to call the technical service regularly.

    8. System stability and resilience. .
    System stability and fault tolerance often depends on the technologies used and the communication interface. Wired interfaces are much more stable and resilient than radio links. Radio systems can be easily interfered with or „occupy the entire radio band” (-) using higher power transmitters - generally available on the market (e.g. WiFi routers with the option to change transmit power, „RF scanners/testers”, jammers). In addition, in large clusters (blocks of flats), electrical devices, RF and switching power supplies can interfere with the radio signals of building automation (particularly noticeable for the 2.4GHz WiFi / BlueTooth band). They can also cause constant reboots, changing the channels of all devices, also causing a chain effect for other systems in the area. In battery radio systems, battery drain can be much faster due to the large „noise in the ether” and interference.

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    Communication Interface Ethernet (LAN) RS-.485 CAN RF, WiFi, BlueTooth .. 230/110V . IR
    Galvanic insulation + -. Optional + -+ -. + +
    Resistance to interference + + -. - -.
    Resistance to external sabotage (jamming, interference) + + (-) (-) (-)
    Security against external intrusion + + -. -. -.
    +/- security from inside +/-. optional security features + - -. -
    - System lifetime for switchgear – in years (#) 10.. (*) 10. (*) N/A N/A N/A
    Resistance to surges and cable damage +/- -./-- N/A -./- N/A
    Possible overheating -. (*) -. (*) + (**) + (**) . + (**)
    Life expectancy of the canning system – years (#) 5.. 2..5 2..5 5..
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    (*) with sufficient ventilation and cooling
    (**) no cooling possible = small enclosures + electrical boxes
    (#) estimated values


    9) Professional eHouse BMS Building Automation, with self-assembly, configuration, programming and integration .
    The Building Automation System eHouse has been in development since 2000 in Poland. It was created for enthusiasts, hobbyists and DIY installations (for IT and electronics engineers) allowing self-installation, software development, dedicated algorithms, integration or architectural visualisations. All information and „step-by-step” descriptions can be found on the system blog http://idom.ehouse.pro/. .
    The eHouse system provides a tangible competitive advantage and a full range of opportunities: .

    - free installations: wireless , wireless , mixed ( hybrid ),
    - installation in: central switchgear , room , electric cans built-in ( OEM ),
    - off-the-shelf microprocessor controllers with integrated eHouse firmware enabling easy configuration from the included app,
    - large controllers (a dozen to several hundred control points ) significantly reduce the price of large installations,
    - low-voltage controllers (12-14VDC) fully isolated from high voltages by external relays , enabling safe installation for amateurs and hobbyists as well as installers,stable and durable variants eHouse for switchgear (operate without service for more than 10 years),
    - eHouse software for various operating systems and devices for configuration, visualisation and graphical control (cloud or direct access possible),
    - software libraries in various languages for integration (e.g. C , Java , C# , Delphi , JavaScript , Android, PHP, .Net, .Net CF ), develop custom algorithms and create individual graphic visualisations ,
    - professional accessories mounting (relay modules, distribution boxes ) greatly simplify installation, make the system safe, professional and long-lasting, easy and cheap to service,the system does not impose interior fittings (switches, sockets, control panels, type of smartphone/tablet used, etc.).), evaluation and demonstration modules for „learning the system” and desktop configuration.

    Applications of the eHouse BMS: .
    - houses, buildings, flats,
    - offices, hotels, condos, aparthotels,
    - houses / flats for rent
    - mobile homes, campers, yachts,
    - swimming pools,
    - farms, storage facilities, warehouses.

    Applications of the eHouse system main functions:
    - measurements and adjustments,
    - access control, limiting functions,
    - remote control GSM/SMS, infrared, WiFi, Ethernet, Internet, BlueTooth, Cloud,
    - control of drives, any electrical equipment,
    - control of audio-video equipment,
    - alarms, SMS notification.

    10) Communication and installation variants of the eHouse system .
    Currently the system comes in several communication and installation variants integrated with each other (eHouse Hybrid)
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    Large controllers dedicated to small switchboards or stand-alone enclosures.
    Contains: measurement inputs, binary inputs, binary outputs, dimmers, infrared input/output.
    RoomManager (RM) – room controller
    HeatManager (HM) – boiler room, central heating and ventilation controller
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    CommManager ( CM ) – drive controller and alarm .
    MP6-18 – Relay module
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    Large controllers dedicated to small switchboards or stand-alone enclosures.
    Include: (metering inputs, binary inputs, binary outputs, dimmers, IR input/output)
    EthernetRoomManager (ERM) – room controller
    CommManager (CM) – drive controller and alarm
    LevelManager – floor/apartment controller
    PoolManager (EPM) – pool controller
    MP6-18 – Relay module
    Assembled switchboards: 18, 32
    IR Panel – IR TX/RX, Sensor T, L
    WiFi .
    2.4GHz b/g/n
    DIY , DOC , SCH Small drivers „All-in-one” for electrical boxes or built-in (OEM). eWiFi Includes (Binary outputs, dimmers, binary inputs, ADC, IR in/out), 230V power supply.
    CAN / RF
    862MHz, 902/915MHz
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    Small drivers wired/wireless for electrical boxes or OEM EC – I/O controller ,
    MP-DIMM – relay and dimmer module
    RF – radio module
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    Large Controllers for central switchboard LINUX Server (RaspberryPi 1/2/3, BananaPRO) +
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    HYBRID Integrated eHouse system RS-.485 + LAN + CAN / RF + WiFi + PRO
    BMS Integration of external HW/SW systems Audio-Video, Alarms, Thermometers/Timeters, RFID Access Control, HVAC, Modbus, etc
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    The eHouse has different sizes of controllers, interfaces and their hardware resources (smart points of various types):
    - medium (10-20) .
    - large (40-100) .
    - very large (100-512)

    The multiplicity and diversity of solutions allows large and richly equipped hybrid installations to be created much more cheaply than systems consisting of small distributed controllers (single point).
    The use of external industrial relays significantly increases the robustness and reliability of the electronic controllers and the load capacity of the contacts.
    Room controllers installed directly in the controlled rooms reduce the amount of wiring and effort by 3-5 times compared to installation in central switchboards.

    11) General functionality of eHouse building automation: .
    - autonomous operation of large controllers (LAN, RS-485, PRO),
    - does not impose finishing elements (switches, control panels, sensors, etc. - generally available on the market can be used),
    - controllers have the possibility to upgrade the firmware of the controller from the application (without disassembly) ,
    - controllers optimised for complex control, regulation, signalling and management: room, drive, pool, security, boiler room,
    - programmable binary inputs (on/off),
    - intelligent binary outputs (on/off),
    - possibility to control roller shutter drives, gates, valves (2 on/off lines),
    - measurement inputs (ADC) measurement and regulation of various physical values (light level, temperature, voltage, humidity, etc.),
    - infrared input - remote control of the eHouse system from an infrared remote control,
    - infrared output - learning of infrared codes of external Audio/Video equipment and remote control of this equipment from the eHouse system,
    - PWM/DC dimmers – LED,
    - Light scenes/output programmes, control and measurement programmes, roller shutter drive programmes, calendar, security zones, macros, infrared code base,
    - Windows, Linux, Android, Java, WWW applications for system management and visualisation from smartphone, tablet, smartTV, PC, browser,
    - hybrid operation – co-operation of all eHouse variants (CAN, RF, LAN, RS-485, PRO, WiFi and future variants) enabling creation of any installation: wired, wireless, for central switching stations, for mini-split panels (e.g.. rooms), for electrical boxes or built-in,
    - working in Cloud or direct access via internet,
    Possibility to create standalone SVG (CorelDraw) graphical visualisation for eHouse and WWW software (Demo) ,
    - communication libraries and source code for integration: Java , Android, C , Delphi , PHP, JavaScript , .Net, .NetCF , etc,
    - access control RFID (proximity cards or key fobs),
    - Integrations with other systems: alarms, thermostats, recuperators, air conditioners,
    - ways of integration with external systems ( HTML Request , Modbus , TCP/IP Client/Server , UDP Broadcast - statuses , MySQL , file system),
    - Open TCP/IP and UDP communication protocol .

    12) Comparison of major variants of the eHouse DIY System (LAN, RS-485, WiFi, PRO). .
    Controllers for switchgear (RS-485, LAN, PRO):

    - use non-aging components,
    - have high reliability,
    - do not overheat due to lack of miniaturisation and large space,
    - have high robustness and a long service life (more than 10 years – many times more than radio or back box systems),
    - do not contain relays on the PCB - they use external relays with DIN rail sockets with a distance of 45mm between the electronics and - high voltage,
    - LAN controllers are galvanically isolated from other segments of the installation (failure of one does not affect the others).

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    Communication Interface RS-.485 full duplex Ethernet (10Mb) WiFi 2.4GHz b/g/n Ethernet, WiFi
    Medium Wired - Serial Wireless Wireless AP or 3*SSID P2P Wireless. (Ethernet) / wireless (WiFi)
    Maximum aggregate distance in &#8222 topology;Star” (**) 300m, 1 terminator 20m from Ethernet switch Max 10-.50m to WiFi Router 20m (LAN)
    T type of wire UTP-.8 UTP-8 -. UTP-.8
    . Galvanic Insulation of Segments -. + + . +
    Max. Number of controllers per segment 250 250 250 1
    . RoomManager + + -. -.
    Roller Drive Control, Gates, windows (pcs) CM (35) CM (35) CM (35) 2 0..128
    HeatManager (management of the boiler and central heating management) + -. - -.
    Self-contained security system. CM CM -. eHouse.PRO server (soft)
    . Alert outputs CM (Siren, warning light, early warning, radio monitoring, SMS notification) br/> CM (--||--).) - Syrena, warning light, early warning, radio monitoring, silent alarm, SMS notification
    GSM/SMS SmsGateway.exe / CM CM (Hardware) - eHouse.PRO + GSM module
    Other Communication Email, BlueTooth, Ftp, IR, RFID IR - RFID, RS-232/485, CAN, RF, SPI, I2C, GSM
    Number of inputs digital RM <br/span> (12), CM (48) ERM (12-18), CM/LM (48) 0-.4 256
    Operation of touch switches touch-sensitive switches external module external module -. -.
    . Management computer requires PC, CM, eHouse.PRO Not required Not required Based on Linux eHouse Microcomputer.PRO
    Communication gateway for LAN (RS232<=>485) + PC, CM , or eHouse.PRO Not required Wi-Fi router Not required
    Programming: WinXP..10, Linux, WWW, Android, .Net, Java WinXP..10, Linux, WWW, Android, Java WinXP..10, Linux, WWW, Android, Java WinXP..10, Linux, WWW, Android, Java
    Internet communication gateway PC,CM , eHouse PRO -/eHouse.PRO -/ eHouse.PRO -.
    . Measurement Inputs/Analog ADC RM (8), HM (16) <0..5V> ERM (8-15) <0..3.3V> 1 <0.1V> -.
    digital outputs from drv. Relays RM (32) ERM (32) 0-.4 128 (256)
    DC PWM dimmers - LED RM (3) RM (3) ERM (3) 3 -.
    . Power supply voltage 5..14V+relays+LED 5.14V relays+LED 12V/5V or 230V 5V/3A
    12..14V/3A alarm relays and detectors
    Transmitters External (5V,9V,12V)
    Relay modules 6..18
    --||-- 4 -. Built-in miniature (230V/5A) External (5V..12V) - Relay Modules 6..18
    Functionality Scenes of light, control programs, scheduler, IR base Light scenes, control programs, scheduler, IR base, security zones, drive programs - Scenes of light, control programs, scheduler, security zones, drive programs, integrations
    Infrared transmitter (IR) + 23 IR standards + 23 standards IR +23 IR standards -.
    . Infrared receiver (IR) + Sony SIRC standard 12,15,20b + Sony SIRC standard 12,15,20b + Sony SIRC standard 12,15,20b -
    .

    (**) - requires the installation to be tested and commissioned before the building is plastered.

    Variants of eHouse - Whole Table Comparison .

    13) eHouse LAN (Ethernet) DIY: .
    Room Controller (ERM) „EthernetRoomManager” eHouse LAN built-in (115*88*34) OEM.
    The microprocessor-based controller includes: 32 binary outputs, 12 binary inputs, 3 dimmers, 8 ADC measurement inputs, Infrared input and output. Built-in scheduler, light scenes, control-measurement programmes, programmable IR codes.

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    Relay modules (MP6-18) containing industrial relays+din-rail pads, replacing screw connections (allowing 45mm spacing between low and high voltages). Replaces dozens of patch cords. PCB can be cut to the required number of relays from 8..18.
    Copper shorting rail (comb) for shorting the common contacts „COM” of the relays eliminates another few dozen wires. It can be cut to the required length.
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .
    Professional switchgear 18-32 outputs 230V/16A. assembled eHouse LAN single segment switchgear: metal installation box with lock, LED power supply, mounting rails for simple installation.
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .
    Wiring diagram for one eHouse LAN segment .
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .
    14) eHouse PRO - Central switchgear 128 binary inputs / 128 outputs with relays. .
    System based on microcomputers (Raspberry PI 1..3, Banana PRO or similar). The eHouse PRO server software implements integrations of all eHouse variants. Multiple interfaces are provided for integration into the system in both directions TCP Client/Server, Modbus TCP/IP, SMS, HTML Request, File System, MySQL, Cloud, etc. Possible writing of software overlays for integration, dedicated algorithms for the eHouse system.
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .
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    <br> 15) eHouse WiFi. .
    Miniature controller „All-In-One” containing: up to 4 relay outputs, up to 4 binary inputs, 3 dimmers, IR input/output, measurement input, optional 230V power supply (OEM, DIY version). Works with eHouse LAN, PRO controllers in a common WiFi/Ethernet network.
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .

    16) DIY modules for electronics „do it yourself”: .
    Electronic modules for standalone smart systems based on RaspberryPi and clones and Autonomous WiFi controllers
    DIY IOT: (WiFi ESP8266)
    Extension of the WiFi ESP8266 module with external peripherals (relays, dimmers, power supply) for stand-alone operation.
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    DIY SPI input modules (128) with 5 relay outputs.
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    General information: http://ehouse.info/
    Manufacturer's website: http://isys.pl/ .
    DIY Blog: http://idom.ehouse.pro/
    Forum: http://ehouse.pro/forum/
    Manufacturer's shop: http://eHouse.net.en/
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  • #3 16738634
    Anderian
    Level 18  
    The system looks a bit homemade :/

    What will be the approximate price for a 120m2 house?
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  • #4 16738738
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    Quote:
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    The system looks a bit like a homemade one :/


    Amongst other things, the system includes ready-made microprocessor PCB controllers in bulk, right up to professional assembled switchgear of various dimensions. It all depends on what budget you intend to spend on it and what you intend to do with it:
    - e.g. for houses, flats: switchboards
    - for low-voltage installations, yachts, recreational cabins, campers: bulk PCB controllers


    The system is also dedicated to people who want something more than 'closed' systems.
    You can do your own programming, create algorithms without having to design electronics and create your own controllers.

    Even if someone can do this - it takes valuable time (months if not years) - inadequate for the cost of off-the-shelf DIY solutions.


    Quote:
    What would be the approximate price for a 120m2 house?
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    The price of the system does not depend on the metre of the dwelling , just as you are not able to give an indicative price for a car with a 3.5 litre engine.

    Prices vary depending on whether you buy DIY bulk controllers alone, professional mounting accessories, industrial relays or assembled whole switchgear.

    Important when calculating the price is the optimal (~100%) use of the resources of the individual controllers, how many and which points we intend to control.
    - measurements/regulations
    - outputs/inputs
    - drives
    - audio/video
    - dimmers

    With DIY installations, we can also save a lot of money, as the system is low-voltage (12VDC) and we can carry out this part of the installation safely ourselves without risking fire in the house or electrocution.

    The price of the System is strictly dependent on the level of
    Quote:
    Self-made
    as you put it.

    E.g. the price of a DIY EthernetRoomManager PCB controller having ~49 smart points of various types, costs approx 13PLN/net per point (Without external relays and accessories).

    In the case of an assembled medium self-assembly switchgear for 32 outputs 230V/16A with an analogue controller and a set of accessories for professional assembly, the cost is less than 92PLN/nette per point .

    So you can choose the cost of the system depending on whether you want to have a professionally assembled and long-lived switchgear with relays+DIN-rail supports or do "spider" installations.
    [/quote].
  • #5 16738905
    oskar777

    Level 26  
    You should give the real price and not the net price because once it is not legal the second thing is misleading. Such a small offtop, it would be good to improve http://www.isys.pl/ because I look reminiscent of the days of the game.
  • #6 16739171
    ditomek
    Level 22  
    And I have another question.
    This first module in the picture , also with rj45 port.
    How do you pull the plug out of it after insertion?
    Isn't this socket poorly designed?
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  • #7 16739281
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    Quote:
    This first module in the photo , also with rj45 port.
    How do you pull the plug out of it after insertion?
    Isn't this socket sometimes poorly designed?
    .

    Congratulations on your perceptiveness, this is however intentional (this is the 3rd revision of the controller and it has been recessed even further).
    The module is recessed (e.g. into a 5 module fuse box
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example
    or Bus mounted .


    The socket is indeed recessed so that the plug fits within the PCB outline, this allows to limit the size of the enclosure to the width of the module - no need to use larger enclosures (you gain 2 cm), nor to drill holes for the protruding socket. Inserting the plug is easy, holding it in place is easy, removing it requires the use of a plastic screwdriver to undermine the pin, but in fact the plug is not removed at all except for replacing the driver. You can always disconnect the cable on the switch side.
    The application may require an airtight housing or silicone flooding, which greatly simplifies assembly. Due to the 3 12VDC dimmers available, we did not want to miniaturise this controller in order not to restrict the cooling of the module.




    Mr OSKAR777 why the heckling and still off topic....
    it is clearly written NETTO, since you have a company account you should understand that. As for the site it has been developed since ~2000 and the fashion is back :) . It's important that it's simple and works on any hardware. The google.co.uk site hasn't been shining with modernity for 20 years either, I suggest you let them know that by the way :) .
  • #8 16739302
    zolwik_rct
    Level 12  
    where information that the text is commercial (from 1/3 starts the eHouse advertisement)
  • #9 16739397
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    zolwik_rct wrote:
    where it states that the text is commercial (with 1/3 starting with the eHouse ad)
    .
    Next to the link on the homepage, which I am sure you clicked on
  • #10 16739486
    Tommy82
    Level 41  
    Even a sponsored article should not have a title like the one above because it is misleading.
    The correct title is: How to choose an eHouse system.
  • #11 16739507
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    I agree with @Tommy82 . The title should read: A guide on how to choose a Smart Building system provided eHouse. :-D .
    @ehouse When addressing someone as 'Mr', write it with a capital letter. It is worth knowing this one of the basics of written word etiquette.
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  • #12 16739511
    Anderian
    Level 18  
    and what is the system for a house where we have
    45 lighting circuits
    11 heating zones
    7 roller shutters
    6 garden watering zones
    2 gates
    7 led strips 24v with brightness control
    0-10v recuperator control
  • #13 16739626
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    Anderian wrote:
    and what is the tena of this system for a house where we have
    45 lighting circuits
    11 heating zones
    7 roller shutters
    6 garden watering zones
    2 gates
    7 led strips 24v with brightness control
    0-10v recuperator control
    .

    It depends if DIY controllers alone or assembled switchgear and if wired/wireless and if we have a shell of a building.

    If there is a full choice (for switchgear + possibly WiFi extensions (e.g. dimmers or drive controllers). With the shell of the building we always suggest a wired system (longer life expectancy of up to several years).

    2 LAN distributors each: 32-outputs 230V/16A, 8 measurement inputs (for connecting temperature sensors), 3 12VDC dimmers,
    eHouse LAN switchgear medium switchgear

    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example
    2*Total switchgear (45+11+6) outputs

    For drives for roller shutters, gates 2 outputs each are needed (1 small distribution board for 18 outputs)
    eHouse LAN small distributor

    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example Small switchboard

    This gives a total of:
    - 82 outputs 230V/16A
    - 36 on/off inputs
    - 24 measurement inputs (for connecting temperature sensors)
    - 9 PWM LED dimmers 12VDC/3A
    - 3 infrared inputs to control each distribution board
    - 3 infrared outputs to control A/V
    - 3 power supplies 12V/100W

    Alternatively DIY WiFi controllers can be used as dimmers or drive controllers (each has 3 12VDC/3A PWM outputs)
    eHouse WiFi .
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .

    The recuperator can be controlled from the PWM dimmer output, an adapter for 1..10v is needed.


    Prices can be found in the shop

    With DIY modules it is certainly much cheaper, but there is proportionally more work.
  • #14 16739956
    Anderian
    Level 18  
    So we have 2x 4500 + 3100 =
    but there are not enough inputs, I think there must be one input for each output, so I need about 90 inputs

    What about the iOS app?
  • #15 16740118
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    @Anderian .
    There can be up to 20 on/off inputs in the EthernetRoomManager (small/medium switchgear) => 12 are standard and you can take 8 measurement inputs if you do not connect measurement sensors. You need to calculate whether to take the small distributors with 18 relays-20 relays and 20 outputs
    or a medium switchboard with the same number of inputs but more outputs.

    Another issue is that often the optimal arrangement of small distributors around the house will reduce 230V cables and their labour input (it can be comparable or even cheaper).

    Additional options to reduce the number of switches:
    - create lighting scenes in the controller (1-24 including on/off and dimmer outputs)
    - create programmes of roller shutter drives (on the eHouse PRO server) - you rarely need switches for each roller shutter

    DIY-only options:
    1) CM/LM 48 on/off inputs 77 on/off outputs CommManager/LevelManager can work as i/o controller or outputs only in roller shutter drive mode
    2) eHouse.PRO - server + I/O modules 128 inputs on/off , 128 outputs on/off eHouse PRO for central switchgear (measurements and adjustments require external sensors/temperature controllers with display)
    3) more ERMs and less relays (decentralise installation using 1ERM per room) relays use as many as needed.
    Relay modules (PCB) can be cut to the required length (6-18) to use industrial relays+DIN stands
    4) use e.g. eHouse WiFi dimmers


    As for software there is: Android, Java (any PC operating system) and WWW (for any operating system and device after adding eHouse PRO server)
    Screenshots - you can create the visualisation yourself in Corel Draw: Design graphic visualisation .
  • #16 16740480
    1dino
    Level 11  
    I, after much deliberation, chose the KNX.
    The price might be higher (if you buy in Germany or on ebay it's quite bearable).
    In Poland, Jung has wised up a bit and it's also starting to be bearable.
    I chose the option with a Wago module (server plus KNX module) so simple on/off inputs and outputs (24V) come out cheap because they are realised on Wago digital modules (4 lib 8 x). It also has a Dali interface for controlling lights.
    KNX "sees" Wago so interfacing with other KNX modules is seamless.

    KNX (apart from its disadvantages, because every system has them) has one undoubted advantage.
    It is a worldwide standard and the closure or bankruptcy of one manufacturer does not result in a lack of support or problems with the replacement of defective modules.
    The modules are expensive, but the build quality is unquestionable.
    And it is stable which is very important if it is to control a house.
    The last thing is that even after a dozen years, someone will be able to service it and not have to think about what has been done to the house installation and what the contractor had in mind.
  • #17 16740576
    Matheu
    Level 25  
    Strange.
    The title said "Guide ..." and the content only mentions products from some ehouse company (???)

    Could this be an advertisement!!!?
  • #18 16740584
    robja
    Level 15  
    I was asking about EIB/KNX in 2004, without any firewalls (a few dozen outputs) and they offered me 70-80 thousand pln .
    Dimmers cost 3200pln/piece, measuring points 1000/piece, server configuration 10tys/pln, panels 1500-4000Euro each.
    Each switch at 800pln each.

    Independent configuration and integrations were out of the question.

    I then bought an ehouse (RS-485) - it worked under PC supervision, which still works today. Cost me a DIY version of 15k pln, whereby I have room controllers in each room of 12 units - (over 400 relay outputs (sockets, lighting, drives, stocks under plasterboard).

    At the time I was very keen on infrared (control of the ehouse system) and control of RTV, HiFi equipment (learning codes and adding to the system) in each room independently (no smartphones, tablets, bluetooth etc back then).

    Anyway, to this day I still think infrared is one of the best things about the system.

    Such an installation shortened the wiring by several times comparing with a central switchboard so it went into stock.

    I didn't know what I would need so I have ~8 controllable sockets and 5-10 lighting circuits scattered in each room (I did plans "B" and "C". I didn't begrudge temperature sensors, lighting either (2-3 per room + outside from each room).

    Such supplies may surprise you, but I did the installation myself and I decided that at the stage of the raw state it is only the price of a metre of cable, and hard-wired sensors are very difficult to replace - so it is better if they get damaged to switch to another one. For example, I have some temperature sensors (4 of each) under the terracotta in the floor to control the floor.

    The controllers are separate from the relays so if a relay fails (practically none has failed yet), you do not have to remove everything but only the relay.
    The installation is soldered (the old relay modules required soldering cables directly to the module board - so the connections have been reliable for so many years).

    In 2008 I did an upgrade to the Ehouse system - although the RS-485 still worked to the newer Ethernet ones (I got a big discount on the upgrade) - They work another 9 years and still do.

    I still use the old 2004 controllers in the basement, garage, utility rooms.

    3 years ago I extended the system with ehouse PRO (instead of CM and instead of PC) to a central switchboard (but only for alarm detectors and roller shutters) other things in my opinion there is no point to complicate and bring to a central switchboard and invest in tens of kilometres of cables.



    In the case of large distribution boards ~100 output points, the central distribution boards are very large and these cables have to be stuffed somehow (1m*1.2m not counting any fuses).

    With the DIY version of the system I did a bit of work (I lost about 3 weeks for the full installation (electrical + automation) but it was worth it.
    I'm not an electrician but a computer scientist so it wasn't exactly state of the art (it doesn't look pretty but it still works without a hitch).
    my ehouse rs485 installation - 2004 year

    Given that I haven't serviced the system for so many years, I can reconfigure it myself (free of charge) and write additional software myself (free of charge on long winter evenings) when I change house I will definitely buy the Ethernet version of this system.

    The communication protocol, libraries and source code provided allow new algorithms to be added to the system in a few lines.
  • #19 16740662
    ditomek
    Level 22  
    On the "articles" page, this post is not marked in any particular way as an advertisement....
    Maybe I'm not seeing something.
  • #20 16740706
    gulson
    System Administrator
    Indeed, if we entered from the Articles section and not from the home page, the information about the sponsored article was not displayed. I have added this information at the bottom of the article. I have also added the information to the title that this will be on the eHouse example. I apologise for the problem.
  • #21 16740785
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    @robja Thanks for the testimonial and that you found the time to write so much :) .
    You are living proof that it is possible to do a large BMS hybrid style installation (several hundred points) in an eHouse by yourself for reasonable money and running for several years and continuously expanding a wired system - if done with your head.

    Because you didn't take any shortcuts with the installation and followed all the DIY instructions your 3 systems run for so many years without adding too much money. Leaving yourself wickets of "Plans B and C" is a must in switchboard-based cable systems.

    Current technologies have changed a bit:
    Soldered relay modules (which you have) are still used in low voltage installations and damp environments (for flooding) - in some countries soldered electrical installations are done - so there are no sparks, bad contacts, installation fires etc .

    In buildings, these have been replaced by modules that allow relays to be plugged directly into DIN rail relay sockets (for coils) so that there are no voltages greater than 14V on the PCBs. The isolation (distance) between low and high voltages is 45mm.

    The current installation of the eHouse LAN/RS-485 Comfort (controller/room switchgear) is done like this: http://inteligentny-dom.ehouse.pro/automatyka- Self-installation eHouse LAN .

    Not that I'm persuading you to" rip" the cables out of the walls and lay everything from scratch :)

    If you need anything we are at your service ;)
  • #22 16740949
    marclo
    Level 9  
    I am building my second house (150m2 ground+floor) and found this article on the forum.
    I installed (5 years ago) a wireless system in my first one (20 years old) and it did not work. After some time it stopped being stable, the automation started to overheat and lose range.

    Part of the article is an advertisement but I have to admit that some of the "conspiracy theories" in it became fact 2-3 years after the system was switched on.

    In my new house I wanted to use a hard-wired installation to the switchboard to allow for easy service and to be independent of the vagaries of the airwaves.

    I already have an electrician to lay the wiring and installation . I plan to connect the electronics myself, configure and manage the system.
    Maybe programming and integration in the future as I am an IT/programmer.

    I intend to spend no more than 25-30 thousand PLN on automation.

    What variant of ehouse do you think is best and what options do I have at this price?
  • #23 16741080
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    @marclo Starting from a budget is the best way to choose the optimal installation and system.
    Since you have already had a less than ideal experience we suggest Ethernet room dividers, which eliminate all the inconveniences you describe.

    Questions:
    - What are the rooms (rooms, kitchen, bathrooms, etc.)?
    - Can the system be on mini-room distributors (placed behind planned light furniture or in adjacent rooms e.g. utility rooms)?

    In this budget I think it is possible to use small switchboards Ethernet room switchboards then the "smart points" practically count in a lump sum (controller+number of relays on din rail or possibly a whole assembled mini switchboard (18*relays ) = full option).
    In addition, you need the eHouse.PRO server (external access to all controllers, integrations, control_WWW, cloud, etc.)

    This increases automation costs (boxes, controllers, power supplies) but reduces the amount of 230v cabling several times and simplifies and limits 230v installation to individual rooms which compensates for the automation costs ) Installation instructions for eHouse LAN .

    Pros/minuses:

    + natural room division: room controllers EthernetRoomManagers (~49 smart points of various types)
    + possibility of controlling a particular room with an infrared remote control
    + possibility to learn the A/V remote control codes of the equipment in the room and integrate the equipment via infrared
    + possibility to create light scenes/output programmes and dimmers for a room
    + possibility to create heating programmes for the room (various heating methods e.g. underfloor heating, fireplace, radiators, ventilation)
    + controllers are autonomous once configured and do not depend on a server or communication (ethernet, wifi, internet)
    + the 230V cables are shortened several times in relation to the central installation of the IB controllers
    + the controllers/segments of the installation are galvanically separated from each other (damage to one does not affect the others)
    + non-ageing components, no miniaturisation and overheating of the electronics due to the size of the switchgear (long life of the system - several years)
    + room controller realises complex room control within the available amount of hardware resources:
    + on/off lighting,
    + 3 dimmers for LED strips 12VDC/3A (includes 100W LED power supply)
    + heating and other physical quantities (temperature, lighting, humidity and other voltage sensors can be connected)
    + drives (2 control lines)
    - additional costs for electrical boxes

    In the blog you will find examples of maximalist automation design for individual rooms (you can connect a given output/input or not)
    eHouse LAN comfort design example
    eHouse LAN example configuration - maximalist
    Lounge .
    Design for kitchen
    Design for rooms
    bathrooms .
  • #24 16741140
    marclo
    Level 9  
    Thank you for your response,

    1) I have 2 bathrooms, WC, 5 rooms, bedrooms, living room, kitchen+dining room, vestibule, up+down hall, 3 utility rooms, attic, garage
    2) if the distributors are not too big I do not exclude this option

    The several reductions in the number of 230V cables and infrared control of the rooms speak in favour of this solution.

    If I do not need a full switchboard (18 relays) in the rooms, what can I do to avoid stopgaps and reduce costs?
    1) Is it possible to use DIY controllers for the boxes?
    2) Is it worth using soldered relay modules instead of the current DIN rail ones? Is there a big difference in price? What are the risks?
    3) Is it possible to dispense with relay modules at all and use ordinary relays on the rail?
    4) Are there any quantity discounts for "wholesale"?
  • #25 16741270
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    In terms of building architecture:
    1) For the comfort option, we suggest 11 eHouse LAN controllers:
    1,2 bathrooms
    3,4,5,6,7 rooms
    8 bedroom
    9 living room
    10 kitchen+dining room
    11 hall, loft, garage, plot (midi distribution 32 outlets)
    Utility rooms and others not listed can be connected to the nearest mini-split.

    2) Small / medium distributors
    - midi switchboard (for 2 din rails - Midi )
    - mini switchgear (for one din rail - Mini )


    AD1) YES, however it is not possible to cover the ERM3 module with a metal electronics bezel: (of course the door closes)
    Mounting the eHouse mini/midi switchgear

    AD2) In my opinion it is not worth using considering the safety even though they are much cheaper (with the full number of relays):
    - the module is very large and contains soldered 32 relays without bases (service difficult)
    - the distances between 230V and the electronics are small and currently not sufficient considering CE regulations.
    They need to be repainted several times to increase electrical isolation
    - modules "do not forgive mistakes" must be soldered precisely so that high loads do not burn out the tracks or even cause a fire, etc.
    AD3) Theoretically you can, but you don't gain much (relays+bases) cost a few tens of pln/piece and the pcb and comb only replace wiring and "cobwebs in the switchgear". Relay modules can be cut to the required length from 6 relays upwards:
    The difference in the appearance of the switchgear without relay modules is as follows: (with spiders)
    Theoretically: Relay connection .
    Practical: Reality



    AD4) Yes. For installations of more than 9 controllers there is a special discount for the Comfort kit. eHouse LAN Comfort 10+ .
  • #26 16741456
    marclo
    Level 9  
    With these "realities" you have convinced me :) .
    Above all, I will avoid makeshifts in the switchboard and minimise the number of unnecessary wires.

    Assuming a comfort installation what can I connect to the free inputs/outputs of the system?

    What temperature sensors? Thermostats? Other sensors?

    What A/V devices (companies) can I control via infrared?

    Which roller shutter drives?

    How complex is it to create visualisations and control panels (graphic or simplified)?

    What options do we have for connecting an alarm?
  • #27 16741586
    ehouse
    Level 10  
    marclo wrote:
    You have convinced me with these "realities" :) .
    Above all, I will avoid stopgaps in the switchboard and minimise the number of unnecessary wires.

    And Very wise !!!
    Improvising with electrics can only end badly or even worse:
    Guide to choosing a smart building system using eHouse as an example .
    In the case of building automation systems for electrical boxes, it is even worse, because sometimes it is enough to plug an appliance of considerable power (e.g. kettle, hoover, heater, etc.) into the socket.

    While building automation switchboards are easy to protect with a temperature sensor and turn off all outputs if the temperature is too high, monitoring every socket is unrealistic. In addition, small relays have a tendency to sinter the contacts so switching off will not do in such a case. A relay may work correctly 1000 times and not for 1001. And miniature relays that fit in cans have hundreds/thousands of times less resistance. This is another reason for installing them in switchgear, preferably metal.

    marclo wrote:
    Installing a comfort installation what can I connect to the free inputs/outputs of the system?
    .
    Basically any device with a potential-free output (relay) (switches, sensors, reed switches, alarm sensors) to the inputs
    Ideas and Solutions

    marclo wrote:
    What temperature sensors? thermostats? other sensors?
    .
    ERM controllers have A/C converters with a measuring range of <0.3v3> at the input.
    Any electronic thermometers giving voltage at the output, light sensors, humidity sensors, gas sensors, etc. can be connected to them.
    A measuring table can be created in the system for new measuring sensors of various types.
    As far as thermometers/thermostats are concerned, the eHouse pro system is integrated with wireless thermometers/thermostats/settings with display + clock.

    As a general rule, integrated thermometers with solenoid valves on the radiator should be avoided as measurements and adjustments make no sense and depend, among other things, on the interior furnishings:
    - from curtains, drapes
    - windowsills
    - air circulation
    - etc.

    marclo wrote:
    What A/V equipment (companies) can I control via infrared?
    .
    In principle, not only Audio/Video equipment can be controlled but also air conditioners and other appliances equipped with an infrared remote control.
    eHouse standards for infrared broadcasting .
    It is important to realise that this does not explicitly indicate the brand of device, but rather the integrated circuit used in the infrared remote control.
    Some other standards based on a similar pattern (transmission frame) may also be added to the system.

    As for the control of the eHouse system, it supports 3 Sony SIRC standards (these can be self-learning remotes, infrared panels or regular SONY remotes).

    marclo wrote:
    What kind of roller shutter drives?
    .
    We recommend using drives controlled by 2 lines.
    Three-way solenoid valves, door window actuators and other devices can also be used if required.
    The drives must be protected against voltage being applied to both lines together with inertia protection and limit switches..
    Otherwise the drive can be damaged by freezing of the mechanism, accidental activation of 2 directions at once.



    marclo wrote:
    How complex is it to create visualisation and control panels (graphical or simplified)?
    .
    Individual control panels are best created for the web browser (in Javia Script - Graphic SVG, or plain HTML).
    using a simple text editor.

    There are many methods of eHouse visualisation and you can create individual graphics for yourself based on open scripts.
    eHouse Visualisation Examples .

    As far as dedicated graphic visualisations are concerned, they are created in Corel Draw using VBA macros.
    Graphical visualisation is worthwhile once the system is 100% configured (applies to all names on the system).


    marclo wrote:
    What possibilities do we have for connecting an alarm?
    .
    The system has an integrated 'smart' security system with SMS notification and external control via SMS, e.g: CommManager, eHouse.PRO.
    It also sends information about the names of detectors that have been violated during an alarm to the household members, etc.
    In addition, it can be integrated with Integra by adding external interfaces.
  • #28 16741626
    Tommy82
    Level 41  
    As far as wireless solutions are concerned, I have two basic remarks
    - The first one is that if there is no need to add even low-power radio transmitters to your surroundings. Even if they do not cause any harm, in time there will be more of them unless IoT is not adopted.
    - The other thing is that someone building a house will be, say, 30-40 years old, so by 50-60 they will be fairly up to date with technology, so additional miracles on a stick will appear, and then either further on or, like our grandparents, we will have an old TV and tell everyone how good it is and that they don't make such things now. In any case, over the next 20 years, all sorts of strange things will appear in our environment, communicating wirelessly, not just wifi but possibly various other communication systems, and we will be in the middle of it all. It may also turn out that new systems will at some point break compatibility with a house made with one or another wireless technology will not be tolerated. Such a house may turn out to be sensitive to some external factors, such as a power line, a neighbour's walkie-talkie, or some new technology interfering with the old one, but installed at the neighbour's house across the street.
  • #29 16741740
    robja
    Level 15  
    @Tommy82 holy truth .
    I personally experienced something like this when in one day my gate remote lost range from 150m to 10. Coincidentally it coincided with the installation of an alarm or a new neighbour's surveillance radio ;(
    Leaving aside the ongoing health effects of even low-power radio waves, it is better to minimise as much as possible. It is said that microwave food is not healthy and we are in such a microwave only low power all the time.

    The towing of cars from under the Palace of Culture in Warsaw, where remote controls are not able to deactivate the alarm even from 1 metre away, is also legendary.

    The basic systems work on the same bands (open or not e.g. BlueTooth, WiFi, ZigBee ) and interfere with each other. It is just a question of which one is more powerful and sows more.
    Available systems have to meet 'tight' standards but still the manufacturer leaves a gateway because it is legal - power increases (e.g. wifi routers)

    I'm not suggesting to live by candlelight because electrics and electronics are damaging but if you can, it's worth considering what you're buying.

    In the case of shell building automation, we have free choice so it's worth considering.

    Radio systems can stop working overnight like my gate remote.

    Not to mention the ageing of components and the slow deterioration of the performance of "radios". They will certainly not match the cable in terms of longevity and stability of operation.
  • #30 16742243
    teofil111
    Level 13  
    Tommy82 wrote:
    The second is that someone building a house is say 30-40 years old so by 50-60 they will be fairly up to date with technology so there will be additional wonders on a stick and then either further down the line or like grandparents we will then have an old TV and tell everyone how good it is and that they don't make such things now. In any case, all sorts of strange things are coming our way over the next 20 years
    .

    In 20,30 years' time the only practical things will be technological marvels that will take care of us when we no longer have the strength and make old age easier i.e. advances towards home robotics. At present, these home systems are more for the fans.
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