Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

I recently sold one thing on it, it went fast. I also reduced the price by PLN 100 for the commission. The buyer chose a parcel locker, and today I sent it. From what I saw, you can observe the offer. You can also click on the reservation so that it is not visible for about 12 hours - but Allegro adds 1 day to the duration of the offer. Is such a booking payable?

Gentlemen, I don't understand something.
Is the Allegro commission for more expensive items not lower?
After all, it says that 10% of the sale, but not more than PLN 50.
Recently, I paid a commission of PLN 70 (8%) and now it would be probably PLN 50?
Is it not so?

There is only one fact whether someone likes it or not, and most do not like it, Allegro kicked private individuals in the ass.
As I wrote, as long as the competition does not do something, regrets will not give anything here and even if this thread has a pierdylion of entries, the allegro will not budge.
For them, the money counts, it is calculated that the service of any percentage in this portal does not give anything and you have to do another and cut them there as it flies 10% for everything. And it also has to be calculated.
The portal is and will be primitive, poor service, which translates into maintenance costs - read minimum cost, maximum profit.
And yet this discussion actually takes up a dozen people, besides, the Internet is basically silent.
So the Allegro believes that there is no problem.

Yes, I added 100 to the price for the commission, but it took as much as the maximum of 50

If someone has been following Allegro's policy for at least 2-3 years, everything was going towards it. For a long time, deeper and deeper changes have been seen to push private sellers out of the website. Allegro wants to be like Aliexpress - to be a mega-store only for companies. The surprise in this is that what has been done now, i.e. the creation of a competition portal for OLX, was basically done quietly and without publicity.
You can complain, nothing will change it because someone there has calculated that it is more profitable for them. I would not be surprised if in the next step private sellers were completely cut off from the regular Allegro, so far there is only a rather prohibitive commission that explicitly says: go away and do not bring your guitar back here, we give you Allegro Lokalnie for free, so that you don't have to be at all we cut off and that there is no competition for OLX. Yes, in some categories there have been such commissions for a long time, but where I was selling things that I no longer needed, i.e. 90% of it was electronics / computers, it was usually a few% and not 10%. Now it is 10%, but max 50 PLN, so assuming that before it was 5%, cheaper now for me will start with items from 1000 PLN up, i.e. from one sold item per 100 or maybe less. I will pay more for the rest.
I think that the context is that Allegro does not want cheaper used items to compete with the clientele they care about the most and which brings the most revenue, i.e. the companies selling there. And they did not litter the licked portal.
And not so long ago, Allegro advertised itself as the perfect place to sell displeasing Christmas gifts. Well, now we have a Christmas present from Allegro.
I don't know what competition you are talking about. eBay tried to enter Poland many years ago, but he delayed it too long, but after seeing how much strength Allegro had grown, it practically withdrew, hardly anyone buys something there. Amazon does not even try to exist in a significant way, it does not even have a portal in the .pl domain (redirects to de). Aliexpress is only China and they will not come out of there.
We can talk about competition in the context of Allegro Lokalnie vs OLX (they have not had one owner for a long time).

I am glad that I am not alone in my thoughts about the allegro locally.

I have been a user of Allegro for over 14 years. I have sold about 250-300 items, and I have bought countless quantities. I never got a negative.
My used products calmly competed with the offers of companies. I tried to put up auctions nicely.

Now everything is dead. I feel like someone shot me a wet rub in the mouth.
A month ago I sold 10 items - computer parts after the upgrade of my unit and my brother-in-law. Everything for the first auction. Lots of followers, few offers, win, deposit, parcel locker, positive. Always the same pattern. Now I put out an interesting motherboard - great hardware - it would normally go in three days. Auction from PLN - 8 days - no offers, no questions, nothing.

Allegro is a trash locally. The deals look terrible. A normal person will never buy anything there.

I was troubled all day. I have not spoken to my family, it has been a long time since no one deceived me like this. Allegro has changed a lot over the years, but it was the recently completed convention that gave this website a strong glow of market freedom. It was a symbol of our youth, the time of free internet trading.

I'm looking for an alternative. I read a little.
Please give me suggestions / opinions.

aligato.pl - it is but as if it died
pokato.pl - it is probably an advertisement service - not a sale

Archi^Voo wrote:

I was troubled all day. I have not spoken to my family, it has been a long time since no one deceived me like this. Allegro has changed a lot over the years, but it was the recently completed convention that gave this website a strong glow of market freedom. It was a symbol of our youth, the time of free internet trading.

I'm looking for an alternative. I read a little.
Please give me suggestions / opinions.

Sadly, it took a toll on your health. Recently, I have exhibited on OLX several times and I can say that I managed to sell it. Maybe try OLX, so far it's free for such general cargo.

max-bit wrote:

There is only one fact whether someone likes it or not, and most do not like it, Allegro kicked private individuals in the ass.

Not private individuals, but smartheads running a regular tax-free pseudo-activity on this portal. As every two years I want to sell my old phone because I bought a new one, not much has changed for me. If you sell regularly, it is just a form of running a business and you should register it. Currently, it is neither difficult nor expensive.

marioza wrote:

5 photos the size of a postage stamp

Right click and select "Show Image" - every browser has this functionality. You'll see the full-resolution image with no tons of scripts or unnecessary code.

You haven't read the entire thread, and it seems like little has changed. For me, as a mostly buyer, a lot has changed. For example, I always added to the watched. And only after I added a few, did I decide which one I was bidding. I just like bidding on various used items at bargain prices. I haven't exhibited local on Allegro yet and I'm not going to. When I come to Poland, I would like to sell some of the lumber that is still in arrears.

I am surprised that large companies such as Allegro do not think, for example, not to kill the current Allegro, but to add Allegro Pro. For proven, reliable sellers and those who have very high ratings on Allegro, we offer special conditions for switching to the Pro version. The Pro version would be safer, more comfortable and pretentious. Leave the current version as it is. And so they made the worse version than the present one to filter the worse sellers instead of the better filtering versions.

In my opinion, the marketing decision was unsuccessful.

But why divide this site into some pro non-pro?
It is enough (although it already is) issues an invoice or not, i.e. it is not a company.
And that's it.
They don't normally want to get rid of private sellers, that's all.
These are monopolistic strikte actions that are suitable for the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection, although, as I wrote, the fight is difficult because they will wriggle around.

tzok wrote:

If you sell regularly, it is just a form of running a business and you should register it. Currently, it is neither difficult nor expensive.

Give at least an outline of the costs, maybe I will try to go this way.

tzok wrote:

Not private individuals, but smartheads running a regular tax-free pseudo-activity on this portal. As every two years I want to sell my old phone because I bought a new one, not much has changed for me. If you sell regularly, it is just a form of running a business and you should register it. Currently, it is neither difficult nor expensive.

I regularly sell products that I have used myself for a month, half a year or two years. More than a dozen products per year. Please explain to me what activity to start.

I work full-time and I also run a business, but the things that I sold on the Allegro were not related to my business. I have various hobbies, I buy a lot, but I also sell a lot. I'm not making money on it. I just take care of my wardrobe, attic, garage, basement etc. I don't use it, so I sell it - simple. I can afford a few PLN for the auction and I can make a good offer.

Olx is an classifieds website, not a sales platform, and at the same time being a hotbed of plague and scammers. I'm not a cheat so I stay away from Olx.

It all depends on what you are buying. I was cheated on Allegro once, I got a broken CD with the program in the whole box. The sender blamed the post office.
Once in a dozen or so years of use.
I've even bought a camera, software or a MIDI controller from a private individual. And a box with a collection of cardboard tickets.

Novile wrote:

Because how can I be convinced that someone is alive is bidding on it and that is a cheap machine, determine the optimization of the fraud.

... and in the old Allegro, what gave you such confidence? Any list with starred user nicknames? It was mostly bots that were bidding anyway.

Novile wrote:

now, when someone bids in the last 60 seconds of the auction, the auction is automatically extended by 5 minutes!

This protection, at the request of users, against such disliked, among others, by you snipers. In general, at a normal auction, the bidding lasts as long as there are new bids, only when there are no new bids after the 3rd call, the auctioneer ends the auction.

I was brutally cheated on the allegro once, but I can admit a bit because of my own stupidity.
Later, when analyzing the situation, I made a few mistakes. Now I am much more vigilant.
But the POK returned the money.

In general, it is easy to avoid scammers, you just need to be careful and think.

There were a few little stupid crooks but all of them were defeated by me without the participation of Allegro, etc ...
You know, there is no shortage of smarts.

Anyway, the scammers were and will be and the methods they use are adapted to the times.

Well, that's a curiosity:
https://www.chip.pl/2019/11/youtube-usunie-ci...-jezeli-uzna-ze-nie-jest-włatajaco-oplacalne/

as you can see, not only Allegro has "interesting" ideas.

This Orwellian world is getting more and more interesting.

I will only remind you for the formalities because many do not know (many)
Internet so this kind of free internet freedom island never had to be like that.

This is a strict military tool and project, although the fact was originally supposed to have? other goals (decentralization of the communication system) it quickly turned out that it would find a much better application.
Today it is a tool for massively interactive (with feedback) fooling and robbing people.
As colorful as someone thinks otherwise, it's poor
And all these internet giants are also controlled and created for a specific purpose, and nothing or almost nothing is a coincidence here.
And when such a case happens, it is quickly steered on the right track.

that's how they advertised smart, they took the money for it and now du *** a smart is not for the local! High shipping costs, crooks and that's it. Even the "buy now" option cannot be displayed as before, because you have to enter everything anew and put the photos in the fields of the day.
In addition, when placing an auction, it is necessary to enter the existing location, our address is automatically entered with the house number, which is pathetic.

I think that if more people formally objected to Allegro Lokalnie, even in the form of enamel to them, properly arguing and at the same time paying attention to unlawful practices, i.e. their transfer to this entity, maybe someone would come to their senses with Allegro and / or take care of the professional separation of companies from private sellers, otherwise we will all hang out with our staff after some olxy facebooks and other inventions or throw it into wardrobes and finally into the garbage. And buyers will also not have it easy, they do not have it anymore, because they have to swing, ie. after any number of places if they are looking for something and it is tiring like a miner's job.

From other flowers about Allegro (not Locally) I can give more
- a fraud is the operation of a clock that lives its own life at auctions with auctions, slows down or speeds up, it is important how you want to knock at the last minute. Why at the last minute? Because that's what the users have taught me
- a fraud is the automatic change of the amount during the auction, where I enter a much higher amount than the current one, then I bid, a confirmation window opens and there is a different lower amount by one mesh higher than the current one and the time of the auction is over and my bid loses even though I originally entered a lot of the amount higher than the one that finally won. The previous system, where after bidding, you went to the next page with the confirmation of the auction, was very good and efficient, but it was destroyed
- auction of one item where two bids for the same amount win !! ?? The situation took place 2-3 months ago, I couldn't believe my eyes

stasiekb100 wrote:

tzok wrote:

If you sell regularly, it is just a form of running a business and you should register it. Currently, it is neither difficult nor expensive.

Give at least an outline of the costs, maybe I will try to go this way.

"Znamionami" or rubbish from the People's Republic of Poland have been feeding us for years. You have the right to buy and sell any item in any quantity without setting up a business. However, it is your responsibility to report the sale to the Tax Office and if you have exceeded the free amount, pay tax on the exceeded amount. Unless your pension does not allow you to work.

You're right, it won't do anything, but what is left is to agree to everything, including the fact that some juggernaut will do whatever he wants, even with my data without my consent? For me, it is also paranoia about sticking in for the last seconds, but what to do, very often there will be a freak who will raise regardless of the value of the item, so I prefer to buy now, whether new or used, the price fits and I have a whole crib with hammering in my head.

Erbit wrote:

piotr600 wrote:
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"Znamionami" or rubbish from the People's Republic of Poland have been feeding us for years. You have the right to buy and sell any item in any quantity without setting up a business. However, it is your responsibility to report the sale to the Tax Office and if you have exceeded the free amount, pay tax on the exceeded amount. Unless your pension does not allow you to work.



Here my colleague is right. Just find one who reports it. He does not report because it is another "hallmark" of the Polish People's Republic. Many generations have to pass in order to change certain behaviors in people.

He's been buying amplifiers all his life, has a whole big cardboard box of them, now he sells some new used parts, and what else has he to pay tax? It has already been downloaded once. Similarly with other used things, bought a taste as new for I do not know 5,000, subsequent resale at a lower and lower price and tax each time? From what ? From losses?

I think that the sniper is a great thing, I forgot about the auction many times, so it was sure that the system would not forget It happened more than once that I offered a smaller amount and I was losing shots. I don't see anything wrong with that. If someone wants, he will bid a high amount a minute before the end and win without a sniper.

The sniper has the advantage that you can withdraw. Bidding sets in and you forget. But if you accidentally find something better, you can withdraw before you bid.

Forgive me if it already was, but after reading three and a half pages of this thread, I gave up.

I have the last thoughts (from yesterday) regarding the auction in the "local" option.
The system is now focused on achieving the highest possible price (good for the seller) and thus a higher commission (good for Allegro).

1. Regardless of the current price, my maximum was immediately visible. If it was PLN 50 and I entered 110, the price immediately jumped to 110 - without automatic bidding.
2. If you bid at the last moment, the auction is automatically extended - it gives another person a chance to raise the price.

This is more like a real auction (or at least one known from movies and silly programs on Discovery) than this automatic system from the old Allegro.

Aside from the obvious interface shortcomings, no completed searches, high commissions, etc., sellers should be satisfied with the above. They will get the highest price anyone wants to pay.

It will be harder for buyers to snatch something at a bargain price. Allegro will earn more on "gray" selling drawer and loft loungers.

Erbit wrote:

marioza wrote:

I think that if more people formally objected to Allegro Lokalnie, even in the form of enamel for them ...

It won't do anything. The position of a monopolist means that for him specific profits / losses are important, and not e-mails, which, from his point of view, have no economic justification for the monopolist. If you told them that you would compensate them, they would certainly agree.

marioza wrote:

... important how you want to get in at the last minute. Why at the last minute? Because that's what users have taught me ...

It's kind of paranoid for me. At the beginning of the auction, I decide how much I am able to pay for it and then you can "hammer in" at will. If you "pocket less" you will lose and if you win more, regardless of "when you will pocket".
If you are able to give more, give more immediately and you will not have to "hammer". After all, the fact that you give more does not mean that you will buy "more" for it. I do this and I often win with a lower amount than I bid.

marioza wrote:

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- auction of one item where two bids for the same amount win !! ?? The situation took place 2-3 months ago, I couldn't believe my eyes

The case is obvious. In such a situation, the one who made the offer earlier wins. This is another proof that "hammering" is pointless.

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piotr600 wrote:

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"Znamionami" or rubbish from the People's Republic of Poland have been feeding us for years. You have the right to buy and sell any item in any quantity without setting up a business. However, it is your responsibility to report the sale to the Tax Office and if you have exceeded the free amount, pay tax on the exceeded amount. Unless your pension does not allow you to work.

Here my colleague is right. Just find one who reports it. He does not report because it is another "hallmark" of the Polish People's Republic. Many generations have to pass in order to change certain behaviors in people.

The whole thing is about the following terms: trade, continuous sale, buying with the intention of selling more expensive, i.e. earning income. And only the latter can have the "hallmarks" of undeclared economic activity.