Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

Not..

Only after clicking on vehicles or real estate can items be listed in the old way.
Of course I'm talking about the standard "List Item" in the user menu in the top right corner.

Windows 10, google chrome. Even in incognito mode after logging in, it looks like in my screenshot. You don't have to g ... throw right away
I am not saying that it is impossible, but by default I have a redirection to allegrolokalnie.pl and I doubt that it is my fault that is happening

Novile wrote:

Now I put the thing back, this time with electronics and just like that, everything is as old as it is.

What account are you issuing privately or as a company?
If the company is no wonder, because companies have the allegro in the old way.

Maybe on some configurations / browsers they made the old form display a machine for some reason.

In fact, they imposed it. This message:

Quote:

Welcome to Allegro Lokalnie!
On October 31, we made available a simpler and faster way of listing for all Allegro regular account users.

is already on the Allegro locally, where it is possible to list the item from the Allegro account. I am automatically redirected to Allegro locally, after clicking put an item on Allegro. Only after clicking vehicles / properties on Allegro locally, I am redirected back to the old Allegro, also under the link https://allegro.pl/offer/ but with the parameter "? Locally". If I hadn't discovered the option of an old form under the item real estate and motorization, I wouldn't have figured out how to get to the old form ...

Summarizing, at least for me: clicking on display an item is the equivalent of "https://allegro.pl/offer/" Link takes you to Allegro locally. The link with the parameter: "https://allegro.pl/offer/?lokalnie" does not redirect, but displays the old form.

Well, now I managed to do it, you can issue it using the old form but you have to click and figure out to avoid this "local" trash. They impose it on crap. When I click on resume auctions, I normally have the old form, and when I choose "exhibit a similar", a new form with a local auction pops up and I have to re-enter all the content, insert photos, etc ...

sylweksylwina wrote:

The link with the parameter: "https://allegro.pl/offer/?lokalnie" does not redirect, but displays the old form.

Brilliant, it works! I don't believe their security is so weak. What are these employees taking the money for?

Meanwhile, someone seems to have made a bid in my auction. I write "I think" because I have no information about this fact. Only the price has changed by a zloty and I cannot edit the offer. It's over on Friday. We'll see.

The problem is not that the allegro placement exists. The problem is that at the moment, for example, I sell a computer worth PLN 2,000. I have one volunteer who gives PLN 50. The auction lasts for two days, but the computer breaks / I change my mind and I want to withdraw the auction. I have no such right, because the transaction is concluded at the end of the auction. In fact, you lose ownership of the item after the first bid and are obliged to sell it after the payment.

Things that broke, the dog bit, fell into the toilet, etc. was the bane of the auction. There is no "reserve price" option? There is no option to issue from PLN 1999? Only from 1 PLN BCM?

Below is a chat record with an Allegro employee regarding this problem:

AND:
One more thing. What if I put the auction on allegrol locally and during its duration I change my mind, find that I don't want to sell the item after all? What should I do in this case? 9:04 PM
B:
On Allegro Lokalnie you can end your offer at any time. However, if it is an auction, the Buyer with the highest bid 9:05 PM will win the bid
AND:
So when the auction is put up, I de facto lose ownership of the item I am listing? 9:06 PM
B:
The item is considered to be sold after the payment of the customer or after selecting the option by cash on delivery 9:07 PM
AND:
We do not understand each other, for example, I am selling a computer worth 2000, but during the auction where the auction is already there, I will change my mind and say that it will be useful, for example, in a workshop and the auction has reached PLN 50, I understand that I have an obligation to sell the item and I do not the right to withdraw from the auction institution?
B:
In fact, I deprive me of the ownership of 1 per PLN 1 raise? 9:09 PM
AND:
I forward the chat to an advisor who deals with this topic. Please do not describe the case again, the advisor will review the notification. 9:10 PM


Good evening. This is Stanisław XXX How can I help you? 9:11 PM

I am asking for a moment of patience. I am getting acquainted with the case. 9:11 PM

AND:
It is not exactly what you wrote. If you finish your bidding early, the bidder who has offered the highest bid so far wins it. However, the mere fact of winning an auction does not constitute a purchase and sale agreement between you and does not automatically transfer ownership to the Buyer. This occurs when the Buyer makes the payment. 9:15 PM
B:
But I don't want him / her to pay me, I change my mind during the auction, I don't want to sell the item.
AND:
I do not want a contract or payment to be concluded. 9:16 PM
B:
You can arrange with the buyer not to make a payment.
AND:
If you do not want to sell an item, you may consider not listing it for sale. It is a matter of your decision. 9:17 PM

For colleagues on the electrode, I note: You cannot cancel an auction with a bid and deny its end. So allegro defacto forces you to sell even if you changed your mind within 10 days.

pokmijn wrote:

You cannot cancel an auction with a bid and deny its completion.

And fortunately. You are not sure if you want to sell - don't put it out.
And you will secure the right price by starting the bidding from the amount that you are satisfied with. So where's the problem?

The problem is that allegrolocalically defacto deprives you of ownership. And now imagine such a situation. On day 1, you issue a car for PLN 5,000. You drive it normally, it belongs to you. On day 4 you have a bump because of your fault, a car to be repaired for an amount exceeding its value. And then suddenly someone raises to 7,000 on the fifth day. On day 10, he pays the hay to your account and asks you to hand over the goods.

pokmijn wrote:

On day 4 you have a bump (...) someone raises to 7,000 on day 5. On day 10, he pays you the hay

You smash the car and end the auction - because it's broken, no one will bid anymore because there will be no fifth day of the auction.
And as he made a bid earlier, you end the auction and send him photos of the survivor - 100% he will not want to pay money. However, if he pays, you will give him the car crashed - after all, he was informed about its condition.

After all, they wrote to you:
"The mere fact of winning the auction does not constitute a purchase and sale agreement between you and does not automatically transfer ownership to the Buyer. This occurs when the Buyer makes the payment."

You use some twisted Janusz logic of allegral scammers who put up items for a zloty and ended the auction 10 seconds before the end "because my horse stepped on me".

Only that you write to him has no legal basis. He ignores it, contributes and demands it. In this case, the buyer is "almost" in accordance with the Civil Code. From the moment of payment, he sends you a call to restore the goods to working order, gives a deadline and you explain yourself (e.g. in this way: Your honor, but I caused it not especially (the horse stepped on), and the court says: Please restore the vehicle to the condition with description of the auction and hand it over to the buyer. The court does not have to understand that allegroloally it did not give you the opportunity to end.). Remember, in PL the courts indicate who has the better lawyer.

I use my private, maybe twisted logic. I would not call myself "januszowatym", neither would an opponent on the forum, although his opinion differs significantly, I respect everyone, but well, such a lajf will surely be someone who will press you with an epithet / nickname.

I only have a comment to my honorable colleague from the forum. Not everyone is "Januszowaty" and I'm not generalizing and I'm not talking about popular cases, but about those that can really mess up someone's wallet. If a colleague does not agree, let him provide factual arguments, maybe a provision / paragraph and not think about "Januszowość".

Okay, you don't like the website regulations - do not use them.

You are a bit confused in your statements - you write at 21:20

pokmijn wrote:

you lose ownership of the goods after the first bid and are obliged to sell after the payment.

although at 21:15 you already knew that:

pokmijn wrote:

The mere fact of winning an auction does not constitute a purchase and sale agreement between you and does not automatically transfer ownership to the Buyer. This occurs when the Buyer makes the payment. 9:15 PM

So it is not true that you lose ownership after the initial bid, only after the bidding is over and the payment is made.

And I assume this chat is from today, though it doesn't have to be.

You write once about a computer from a zloty, and now about a car sold according to the rules.

Well, if you hit an equal, it could be a hassle, and you will actually end up in court. But you already know the verdict of an independent court:

pokmijn wrote:

The court said: Please restore the vehicle to the condition stated in the auction description and hand it over to the buyer.

I have no more questions. Thank you friend for teaching me the obvious.

I still think that the new system is more advantageous for the occasional seller of litter from the attic:

zgierzman wrote:

The system is now focused on achieving the highest possible price (good for the seller) and thus a higher commission (good for Allegro).

1. Regardless of the current price, my maximum was immediately visible. If it was PLN 50 and I entered 110, the price immediately jumped to 110 - without automatic bidding.
2. If you bid at the last moment, the auction is automatically extended - it gives another person a chance to raise the price.

It is perhaps less beneficial for the buyer, because you can immediately see that he is willing to pay X and it will be more difficult to get valuable gifts for a song - and that happened a long time ago when the seller put up from PLN 1 BCM, the auction ended at some strange time, others the bidders did not fully understand the rules of automatic bidding and did not use snipers.

Only this 10% commission is a rip off ...

I understand, but you keep writing about an auction that is over, completed. FIN / END. There are no questions here. I mean an incidental situation. The auction lasts 10 days and in 2 days something will happen and the bid is already there. Then what. How honestly to get out of such a situation.

PS. I have always been selling from PLN 1, I have never refused to sell ... although I have met with refusal many times. :)

Added after 1 [minutes]:

zgierzman wrote:

Only this 10% commission is a rip off ...

max 50 PLN

pokmijn wrote:

The problem is that allegrolocalically defacto deprives you of ownership. And now imagine such a situation. On day 1, you issue a car for PLN 5,000. You drive it normally, it belongs to you. On day 4 you have a bump because of your fault, a car to be repaired for an amount exceeding its value. And then suddenly someone raises to 7,000 on the fifth day. On day 10, he pays the hay to your account and asks you to hand over the goods.

Let me throw in my 3 cents:
- Who normally drives the car put up for sale at the auction, knowing the rules of its operation?
Just do not say that when you read the regulations while listing the auction, you do not know how it works (by the way, you will not start the auction if you do not accept the regulations). But knowing the realities in Poland, 99% of people do not read the regulations before accepting them.
For example, I would not drive a car put up for sale, precisely because I could lose on it when my car was involved in a road accident causing damage to it.

After reading the previous post, I already understand what it is about - the seller cannot interrupt the auction during it and you regret it.

pokmijn wrote:

Zgierzman wrote:

Only this 10% commission is a rip off ...

max 50 PLN

For expensive goods like the mentioned cars, good computers, etc. that's OK. But if someone puts up lumber from the attic for small amounts, adds packaging, fuel on the way to the post office, and even takes allego from him 10% of the amount he has received, it may turn out that it is better to dump it all in the trash. And sometimes unique things will go to the sand, instead of to collectors who will appreciate it.

I was automatically transferred to this creation, very similar to the allegro. I did not accept the regulations, etc ... It was already here and unfortunately it is quite right about it. Such a move is confusing and misleading.

As for the example itself, this is a hypothetical situation. I am not going to sell anything on this "creature".

Added after 6 [minutes]:

clubber84 wrote:

- Who normally drives the car put up for sale at the auction, knowing the rules of its operation?

Anyone who has to buy a car from a commission shop in the vicinity lacks the amount that he will contribute from the sale of an old car and cannot use the public / universal / commune / district / city transport institution ...

And this is a large number of people in Poland.

pokmijn wrote:

I mean an incidental situation. The auction lasts 10 days and in 2 days something will happen and the bid is already there. Then what. How honestly to get out of such a situation.

When there is a bid, the goods are sold / no longer belong to you. If you damage it, it is as if you damaged someone's property - you are obliged to restore it to the state it was before the damage or buy it back.

The rules for selling cars and real estate are different, so don't be afraid. Anyway, if somebody bids my car above the asking price, I would rather put it in the garage / guarded parking lot until the transaction is finalized.

There is no reserve price on Allegro Lokalnie, all auctions are BCM, ie the reserve price is always the starting price ... and that's good.

Archi^Voo wrote:

I have been a user of Allegro for over 14 years. I have sold about 250-300 items, and I have bought countless quantities. I never got a negative.

I think from the 17th, before the change of the comment system, I had almost 700 of them, the vast majority of them for purchases, but probably around 100 for the things I no longer need. One or two negatives from dishonest sellers.

Added after 19 [minutes]:

tzok wrote:

Not private individuals, but smartheads running a regular tax-free pseudo-activity on this portal. As every two years I want to sell my old phone because I bought a new one, not much has changed for me. If you sell regularly, it is just a form of running a business and you should register it. Currently, it is neither difficult nor expensive.

I have to worry you, but at least you are wrong when it comes to me. The occasional sale of your own second-hand goods does not exhaust the hallmarks of DG. For 17 years I have sold maybe 100 items, mainly in the pre-holiday periods, because then the easiest and the best prices are to get. It's hard to qualify as a regular economic activity. Mainly computer parts, because I am such a computer enthusiast and I like to change my equipment relatively often, because I can, and I can afford more than just changing the phone every 2 years. It is also not taxable if the item was held for longer or 6 months or if it costs less than PLN 1000. Otherwise, it is subject to PCC, but is paid by the buyer by default. The income must be accounted for if you sell something more expensive than you bought, but in the case of computer equipment it is rather difficult because it experiences a rapid decrease in value. For the sake of accuracy (I note that this does not apply to me), currently the DG with the monthly income does not exceed PLN 1000, now you do not even need to register.

As for the changes themselves, for some time Allegro has been greedy for me to buy there less often, As I mentioned, I like to play with electronic equipment and it is simply more expensive on Alledrogo due to the fees for sellers. In Ceneo, you will usually find the same cheaper, in addition to Allegro's anger, very close to me, Morele opened a pickup point and I do not have to go to the other end of the city. For a long time, I have been buying practically all electronics only there.

The second side effect of these changes will be that with the sale of used items now burdened with such a large commission on the "main" Allegro, I will change it less often now. Because I do not count on easy sale in this local area, but rather on OLX. Only people don't buy more expensive things there because there are a lot of scammers there. Of the things I had sold for 17 years, maybe 5 times someone wanted to pick them up personally, I sent the rest. This is the climate we have now, the times when people were selling 'locally' through advertisements long ago, now everything can be sent quickly and cheaply to the other end of Poland, even a TV set. I do not look at any offers for the sale of items on Allegro where there is only personal collection.

tzok wrote:

When there is a bid, the goods are sold / no longer belong to you. If you damage it, it is as if you damaged someone's property - you are obliged to restore it to the state it was before the damage or buy it back.

I do not agree, ownership passes when the sale is completed and the transfer to the seller's account. The problem is that the seller cannot stop the auction without canceling the bids, which in fact forces him to sell. And how stupid not to talk, look and rebel, such a right of a person who is not an entrepreneur (and even in certain situations) that as long as an auction is in progress, he should have the right to stop it and cancel the bids. Learned about significant product defects before selling it.

I note when the auction came to an end and someone says that "the horse has stepped on" is obviously gross rude.