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Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

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  • #241 18279261
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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  • #243 18279282
    pokmijn
    Level 11  
    And here is the problem, because I accepted the regulations of allegro.pl, not allegrolocally, which is a website with a completely new functionality.
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  • #244 18279288
    Anonymous
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  • #245 18279312
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    Novile wrote:
    You transfer your property rights to the portal, be it Allegro or olx

    I disagree, rather you undertake to sell the buyer the item for a fixed price. And this is not always - vide - situations of selling cars for PLN 50.
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  • #247 18279432
    marioza
    Level 9  
    Please do not write nonsense about property rights that Allegro has, only read the regulations in detail. It clearly says that I am quoting "Allegro is not a party to the contracts for the sale of Goods concluded between Users and does not guarantee that the Seller and the Buyer are entitled to conclude and perform the contract." There is also no mention of the fact that when listing an item / product at a "buy now" or "auction" auction, Allegro has the ownership rights to it. As well, there is no mention there, or at least I have not noticed anywhere regarding the ban on selling elsewhere and publishing an advertisement in another place at the time of placing the auction with the item on Allegro.
    As well as read the content of points; 6.5. 7.1. 8.1. where in the case of point 6.5. It has nothing to do with the current state, i.e. it is not possible to cancel the offer in the case of e.g. sub-point c.


    zgierzman wrote:
    Don't scream because it's inelegant.
    I wish you good health for Auntie's birthday. If you join the discussion, accept that someone has a different opinion and say it out loud.

    I guess you also have some confusion with your head, since you call capital letters shouting. Maybe you still distinguish between speaking in uppercase and lowercase? You, too, accept that I have a right to a different sentence and say it out loud. Save your wishes for your aunt.
    Moderated By ArturAVS:

    A little calmer. Express your opinion, but in a cultural way.

  • #248 18279435
    max-bit
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    Cool foam beating ... anyway, it is not known what for :)
  • #249 18279452
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk
    Level 32  
    marioza wrote:
    I guess you also have some confusion with your head, since you call capital letters shouting.


    You're wrong, too young, and you don't understand.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    max-bit wrote:
    Cool foam beating ... anyway, it is not known what for


    We want to react, they have other ways in Western Europe (demolishing property, throwing cobblestones - such wild nations) .
  • #250 18279466
    max-bit
    Level 33  
    And what is this rebound for?
    Better to go to the swimming pool, bike or shooting range (not in Wrocław because they are burning there recently)

    And the Allegro will do what he wants because he does what he wants.
    They are a monopolist and who is freaking them out?
    Who is the competition.
    NOBODY
    It is sad what I wrote that potential competition is doing nothing to change it, it surprises me a bit.
    OLX doesn't have a good reputation
    The only chance ebay is in principle ebay should take action long ago they did nothing. Now they have a chance and they still do nothing.
    Nonsense is that for ebay Poland is a small market, such a logic of thinking would not be a MM chain or foreign brand car dealerships (we don't have ours)
    Nothing here. NO and no more because no.
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    Anonymous
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  • #252 18279511
    Piottr242
    Level 23  
    What a beautiful, typical Internet g * grim reaper has grown up here.
    Instead of grouping together, for example, for a joint consumer boycott and discussing how to publicize such an action, users jump at each other's throats to prove who is right.
    This way, we'll never fight anything against this approach.

    And it would be enough, for example, to use the comment system to express your dissatisfaction with the changes ...
    But in the course of the ongoing discussion, no one figured it out. Nobody has proposed any way of exerting consumer pressure on an entrepreneur using his advantage.
    Because more important is whether 'A' in the regulations means "A" or maybe "a"?
  • #253 18279527
    marioza
    Level 9  
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk wrote:
    You're wrong, too young, and you don't understand.

    And why list such things? Is a beard an age indicator? What if I am older or similar age?

    Novile - and this is what we have in .... regulations or is it a determinant, a set of rules? If Allegro regulations do not apply, why would they need it? On the one hand, this discussion is about pointing out the bylaws, and on the other hand pushing them aside. And how is it actually in the context of your statement that, unfortunately, neither you nor I are objectively stated, you would have to ask lawyers. That is why I wrote that all this is a confusion with a confusion, and probably only in a court of law something could be determined how it really is, but here it would probably also depend on interpretation. And "beating foam" because Allegro was a nice place with emphasis on it was because many private users chose, for example, Facebook advertising / sales groups. Perhaps this "beating foam" cannot be done, so it is best to give it in every field or to have it in your nose and humbly accept and accept any changes, even the most unfavorable ... it stinks to me of the epoch I know, that is Edward - you will help - Gierek.
  • #254 18279539
    krakarak
    Level 42  
    @Novile you still about "property rights" at the auction ...
    Then explain to me, little one, does a regional or national newspaper have the right to temporary ownership of my bike when I posted an advertisement for its sale with them? ... Does this mean that during this advertisement their journalist may contact me and Ride this bike as much as he wants, because the newspaper has "property rights"?
    It's scary to advertise the sale of the house, because when it becomes the editor's "property", I will live in it for a month.

    Me, fart, I think it's very dusty and cuts off the oxygen ...
  • #255 18279578
    marioza
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    This announcement is an announcement, and the auction is a separate matter, although the regulations are the same, it is not known how it is. And it would be good to know and if it were clearly and clearly presented together with, for example, possible articles of the Civil Code, because regulations etc. do not always have to be legal, as it has been the case more than once.
  • #256 18279592
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars  
    pokmijn wrote:
    I put a computer for PLN 3,000 on an alle and for an olx for PLN 3,500. And now, yes, I have an offer (bid) for an alle for PLN 3,100 (which fully satisfies me) but someone from olx calls that he is at my place in an hour and gives me a hand 3500. And what, it's better to have an extra 400 than not to have.
    Such a procedure is simply unfair to the bidder - you have one item, then you list it once. Auction is not an advertisement. The Regulations expressly prohibit the sale of goods put up for auction outside of the auction.
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  • #257 18279594
    klosz007
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    I would like to add, as an example of the above (illegal regulations), that Allegro once strictly forbade in its regulations to try to sell the displayed items elsewhere ("outside Allegro"), which is in clear contradiction to the freedom to conclude contracts. Later they backed out of it and swapped it with a soft statement that it was not "in line with Allegro's rules". It was then possible to sell "off Allegro" an item listed on Allegro, because it was possible to end the auction before its end and cancel the submitted bids. At Allegro, locally someone forgot about it, because the entire portal clearly was made on the knee.

    I was not a supporter of using this mechanism and selling items on Allegro "on the side", it happened to me once or twice to cancel the offers and finish ahead of time just because someone I know wanted to buy. I have always referred outsiders to the auction.

    What makes me sad is the fact that Allegro grew and lived for a long time from the commission of private persons selling there things they no longer needed, and in the end it was cut off from them and pushed to a complete margin.
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    krakarak
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    klosz007 wrote:
    What makes me sad is the fact that Allegro grew up and lived for a long time from private persons selling there things they no longer needed, and in the end it was cut off from them and pushed to a complete margin.

    And let's stick to it, because this is the essence of the topic and not the analysis of their regulations. They wrote the rules to protect their own interests, not those of buyers and sellers. That was why this business was established and that is why they sold it, to crush it with money and not to do good to others.
    I already feel sick when I read or listen to a company "making changes for the benefit of its customers and users" ...
  • #260 18279616
    klosz007
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    Amen.

    And the general silence in the subject, apart from a few forums (like this), only proves that Allegro's earlier policy of pushing private sellers out of the portal had an effect much earlier and this recent thick line hardly touched anyone. We can complain and the Allegro caravan continues its way.

    The current owners have nothing to do with those who founded this portal and with their ideas.
  • #261 18279619
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk
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    krakarak wrote:
    klosz007 wrote:
    What makes me sad is the fact that Allegro grew up and lived for a long time from private persons selling there things they no longer needed, and in the end it was cut off from them and pushed to a complete margin.

    And let's stick to it, because this is the essence of the topic and not the analysis of their regulations. They wrote the rules to protect their own interests, not those of buyers and sellers. That was why this business was established and that is why they sold it, to crush it with money and not to do good to others.


    Look at it. and in the mail. who came today they write:

    "We are trying to make the use of Allegro more and more satisfying for buyers and sellers. Therefore, on December 2, we will introduce order changes and simplifications in several areas:

    * we will inform you in advance about changes to the Allegro Regulations
    * buyers will be able to use Coins more
    * sellers in the categories Investment products, Painting and Numismatics will be able to cancel the bid in the auction
    * we will organize the way of creating product series and user names and we will clarify the method of calculating the shipping time "

    and go on blah blah blah


    "Joke of the Year"
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  • #263 18281126
    tomku77
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    At the moment I am supposedly qualified for the transition period and then only Allegro will stay locally. Quote from an e-mail from Allegro:
    "Only until January 7th sale on Allegro.pl under current conditions"
  • #264 18281187
    marioza
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    tomku77 wrote:
    "Only until January 7th sale on Allegro.pl under current conditions"


    Well, that's beautiful ... I will add one more, because probably no one paid attention to it: why fees on Allegro Lokalne for Inpost parcels to a parcel locker are not at the same price as on Allegro.pl, since "Allegro Lokalnie is only a separate place on Allegro. pl "how does the Allegro team write? As Allegro, they have signed a contract with Inpost where the price of parcels to a parcel locker is PLN 8.99 and this price should also apply to Allegro Lokalnie if it operates under Allegro.pl, otherwise charging for a parcel machine above this amount, i.e. PLN 8.99 is a misappropriation undue amounts which can result in a multi-million dollar amount of income annually from buyers spent. It is enough to count the most expensive (PLN 15.99) and the cheapest (PLN 12.99) Inpost shipment and multiply for example by 1000 transactions a day with Inpost-parcel locker shipment and the number of days in a year. Why 1000 a day? And why not, since, for example, in the computers section, there are currently 468 828 offers for stimulants only, of which 393 233 are offers for a VAT invoice. Is it okay? It is fair? Are we to be enthusiastic about this? Be happy and turn a blind eye to the fact that these millions will go to the private pocket of a group of foreign capital?
  • #265 18281272
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    marioza wrote:
    Be happy and turn a blind eye to the fact that these millions will go to the private pocket of a group of foreign capital?

    This should absolutely not worry us.
    We should worry about higher costs for us - users.
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  • #267 18282408
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk
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    marioza wrote:
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk wrote:
    You're wrong, too young, and you don't understand.

    And why list such things? Is a beard an age indicator? What if I am older or similar age?


    I could have added the word "probably", anyway it would be nice to get interested in the case of capital letters (the moderator should pay attention to you).
    Record age is one thing, the answer is age (from my point of view) very young or very short internship on the Internet.
  • #268 18282620
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
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    Briefly: For me it marks the beginning of their fall. Or if they find out in time just competition will grow and profits will fall. And it will have healing power.
    I can see that Allegro made the same mistake as BlaBlaCar back then. Only Allegro does not realize it yet. They want to milk people, taking advantage of the position of the market leader. They will be surprised!

    As of today, as a buyer, I first search for offers on ali, ebay, etc. If I care about time, I search in online and stationary stores. Allegro will be my place of last choice. Only as a last resort. When I'm looking for something used, it's olx.

    And if I want to sell something, also olx.
  • #269 18282816
    max-bit
    Level 33  
    So far, the Allegro will not collapse because where does this idea come from? Out of the butt?
    The fact is that competition is needed for their collapse, and this one is asleep and does nothing.
    ebay in the PL version does not exist support there is ridiculous, there is no Polish ZERO service
    If you send them something, you do not know who is writing in broken Polish and the support does not actually exist.
    Allegro has actually become a portal for companies and you can see that now this process is coming to an end and in fact a private seller is a lot of problems for them, a weak business, so they kicked him in the ass and quoting the classic, WE WILL NOT EXPOSE YOUR AUCTION AND WHAT YOU WILL DO FOR US.
    Unfortunately, as you can see, practically nobody here catches it.
    I would also like to imagine that such ebay or maybe OLX will start to fight it, but THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.
    Perhaps, over time, something will shape (perhaps AL itself) will take shape to a bearable form, although I do not think that they have made this primitive website to build a second allegro and charge it with money.

    I remember in the years 2001-2006 how marmots and other smaller websites tried to break out, but nothing like that happened.
    The same ebay, although this one has never done anything to fight the Allegro (NOTHING A NOTHING)
    Maybe it would be good if the allegro was taken over then ...

    Now the average JK will have to struggle ....
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the recent changes to Allegro's auction platform, particularly the introduction of "Allegro Lokalnie," which has been met with significant dissatisfaction from users. Many users express frustration over the limitations of the new platform, including a 10% commission fee, restrictions on the number of photos (limited to five), and the inability to use certain features like "show similar" or a comprehensive description editor. Users feel that the changes favor businesses over individual sellers, leading to a decline in private sales. The lack of a robust buyer protection program and the inability to track bids or manage auctions effectively are also major concerns. Some users suggest that the platform is becoming more akin to a notice board rather than a competitive auction site, prompting discussions about potential migration to other platforms like OLX or eBay. The overall sentiment indicates a belief that Allegro is losing touch with its user base and may face long-term consequences if it does not address these issues.
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