Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

And when the silence ... no ideas :)

Recently, FoREST even stated that AL would be a breeding ground for fraud.

cichy koksik wrote:

But are they different in terms of price? Sell the item for a thousand and then find out if it is more expensive / cheaper ...

The toothbrush sold today for PLN 150 - they charged the commission PLN 7.50, it should be 10%, i.e. PLN 15.
A few days ago, the recorder went to the price of PLN 209 - they charged the commission PLN 10.45, it should be 10%, i.e. PLN 20.90.

I could exchange it longer, but I can see that it is locally much more expensive on the Allegro and worse conditions.

tomku77 wrote:

I could exchange it longer, but I can see that it is locally much more expensive on the Allegro and worse conditions

Thermostatic set sold PLN 870 - formerly PLN 69.60 commission, today PLN 50
A sold phone (I don't remember the amount) used to be a commission of PLN 120, today PLN 50
I still have to exchange?
I think I clearly wrote that for cheap items it is more expensive, but for more expensive items it is much cheaper.
I will write again, sell something around a thousand and then find out what and for whom it is cheaper / more expensive. I try to sell sets, so the price is high, but the commission is smaller and significantly significantly. Selling by pieces is more expensive - sometimes much, even if he mentions the toothbrush.

cichy koksik wrote:

Thermostatic set sold PLN 870 - formerly PLN 69.60 commission, today PLN 50
A sold phone (I don't remember the amount) used to be a commission of PLN 120, today PLN 50
I still have to exchange?
I think I clearly wrote that for cheap items it is more expensive, but for more expensive items it is much cheaper.
I will write again, sell something around a thousand and then find out what and for whom it is cheaper / more expensive. I try to sell sets, so the price is high, but the commission is smaller and significantly lower. Selling for pieces is more expensive.

In a word, over PLN 500 pays off.

Once again the Allegro "surprised" me negatively, of course. The seller secured the old computer from the 90s with one layer of bubble foil and a thin cardboard box, of course the carrier rejected the complaint (failure to fulfill the seller's obligation, proper features of things), and Allegro of course releases the seller from liability ... Brilliant. Allegro ignored the matter and did not even want to bother and check correspondence with the seller or anything else.

It had been going the wrong way for a long time. At the moment I have another 3 unresolved discussions / disputes with sellers. Allegro, at least in my case, could not solve the problems (usually when the item did not match the description, it was damaged, etc.), usually ending with "if the seller and the buyer cannot reach an agreement, please go to court" .... A long time ago this managed to take advantage of the buyer protection program, but the seller was not contacted and many people were scammed during the same period. Then, in fact, the seller's account was blocked. As you can see, Allegro does not feel particularly responsible, because it is not a party.

cichy koksik wrote:

tomku77 wrote:

I could exchange it longer, but I can see that it is locally much more expensive on the Allegro and worse conditions

I still have to exchange?
I think I clearly wrote that for cheap items it is more expensive, but for more expensive items it is much cheaper.
I will write again, sell something around a thousand and then find out what and for whom is cheaper / more expensive.

There is only one problem ... a few randomly selected categories and number of auctions:
Home and Garden: up to PLN 500 - 37876 and from PLN 500 - 6830
Child: up to PLN 500 - 60740 and from PLN 500 - 1742
Automotive: up to PLN 500 - 77370 and from PLN 500 - 21299
(of course, these numbers are indicative because the auctions keep ending and starting)

If we assume that it is profitable to sell up to PLN 500, it is more expensive for most, which probably does not need to be explained. In addition, one should consider the effectiveness of selling more expensive items on AllegroLokalnie, which will probably soon be comparable to OLX due to the lack of credibility of contractors. I really don't see any reasons for joy here.

ber wrote:

There is only one problem ...

What problem? Nobody forces you to sell there.
It's more expensive and that's indisputable, we got a kick in the butt

ber wrote:

In addition, one should consider the effectiveness of selling more expensive things on AllegroLokalnie, which will probably soon be comparable to OLX due to the lack of credibility of contractors

Maybe it will. As of today you can still check who and how many years are on the Allegro and what comments they have. I did not notice any less interest in the offers.
People will get used to it, this is not the first such goofy change.

yee ...


Added after 4 [hours] 56 [minutes]:

You can already see what is happening on the Allegro website
Let's take such (but anything in total) graphics cards (used), you can see a lot of new cards (?) And one seller ... and a lot of different cards, different as new.
Case ?
No, because it's all bought or taken from the scrap at the lowest cost, made to work (or not) and the sucker buys and then let the sucker swing, he always finds out that he is the team (a typical scheme of racket traders).
Where does this pathology come from?
1. Pathology on Allegro that there are practically no private sellers.
2. The company is going to be fucking stupid ....
3. The quality of today's graphics cards ....

But the same pattern occurs in other industries - sales groups on the Allegro (I'm still talking about used things)

FORSET from YT has already noticed it and he himself stated that the used CARD SHOULD NOT BE BUYED (especially the new ones) are all dead bodies.

Unfortunately, the lack of competition from private sellers will create a group of smarts - scammers on the Allegro.
I am not saying that there were no combinators in the group of private sellers - fraudsters were probably there, but they were eliminated quite quickly based on the comment system.
Today, the comment system is, in my opinion, not as reliable as it used to be.
Many have loads of dormant accounts that are activated over time to sell another batch of crap.

He has not been buying from a typical blacksmith for a long time (which was also created as a result of the Allegro sales profile).
Now wait if the Allegro will forbid the sale of used goods at all (because it is also a problem for them).

max-bit wrote:

yee ...

Added after 4 [hours] 56 [minutes]:

You can already see what is happening on the Allegro website
Let's take such (but anything in total) graphics cards (used), you can see a lot of new cards (?) And one seller ... and a lot of different cards, different as new.
Case ?
No, because it's all bought or taken from the scrap at the lowest cost, made to work (or not) and the sucker buys and then let the sucker swing, he always finds out that he is the team (a typical scheme of racket traders).
Where does this pathology come from?
1. Pathology on Allegro that there are practically no private sellers.
2. The company is going to be fucking stupid ....
3. The quality of today's graphics cards ....

But the same pattern occurs in other industries - sales groups on the Allegro (I'm still talking about used things)

FORSET from YT has already noticed it and he himself stated that the used CARD SHOULD NOT BE BUYED (especially the new ones) are all dead bodies.

Unfortunately, the lack of competition from private sellers will create a group of smarts - scammers on the Allegro.
I am not saying that there were no combinators in the group of private sellers - fraudsters were probably there, but they were eliminated quite quickly based on the comment system.
Today, the comment system is, in my opinion, not as reliable as it used to be.
Many have loads of dormant accounts that are activated over time to sell another batch of crap.

He has not been buying from a typical blacksmith for a long time (which was also created as a result of the Allegro sales profile).
Now wait if the Allegro will forbid the sale of used goods at all (because it is also a problem for them).

Therefore, when I buy something, I assume that it may be damaged to some extent. You have the same thing in every car dealership. When it drives, it is efficient, but ask what has been done in the car recently, everyone will tell you that oil, nothing more. People don't understand it and probably never will. They are looking for documents confirming that the car has 50,000 and the owner did not have to do anything except changing the oil in the car and they drive such a gem, and they think that changing the oil is the maximum that can be done. With electronics, for example graphics - the situation is similar, people sell "dead bodies", they write that it is functional because the computer starts up and that's it. That is why new equipment sells so well (I cannot imagine looking for a used washing machine or refrigerator, which is supposed to be without a guarantee and maybe 20-30% cheaper than the new equivalent). Unfortunately, as many people notice, private sales are being replaced by new equipment, Allegro has the right to separate these two markets. What I can add, I recently bought a couple of items from the seller nickname: eseller + random numbers. The product was exceptionally shipped after a week (strange to say), in the meantime I had a dispute on the Allegro about the lack of shipment - I received information that I did not have time to send. The package arrived - no receipt. I am writing in this dispute that I am asking for a receipt, for this I received information that he does not have a company and will not issue a receipt (hundreds of new goods, he wrote that he was a private person). After pressing the button - ask for help from Allegro, a comment was added from the machine:
I am asking the Seller for an urgent reply and documenting the fulfillment of the transaction or attaching the confirmation of the refund.
So Allegro and its post-purchase support is dead.
Therefore, the decision of Allegro to remove all private users from Allegro is probably justified in such cases and for me it is a plus.

And who is selling the companies ...
And is it safer when buying from a company ...? Of course not.

Not really ... and I'd say BZDURA.
If the guy (this company) knows that he is selling you "...", he will do everything not to return your CASH and the fact that you have 14 days ... ha ha ha ...

One of the negatives displayed:
OBJECTIVE:
GTX card ... 8GB
NEG:
".... he received the equipment in accordance with the description and in working order (and he does not question it) Then he withdrew from the contract and demanded an unconditional refund of the entire money, despite the fact that he sent us back the equipment that is no longer working (probably damaged it by a short circuit or interference in the firmware) We asked to suspend the consideration of the case until the complaint is considered by the manufacturer's authorized service because the card is under the manufacturer's warranty ... "

And it's found in less than 30s
And there are more such flowers.

Eidems wrote:

The package arrived - no receipt. I am writing in this dispute that I am asking for a receipt, for this I received information that he does not have a company and will not issue a receipt (hundreds of new goods, he wrote that he was a private person).

Why do you bother Allegro with this - such things are reported to the Tax Office. You have correspondence and shipment tracking, nothing else is needed.

max-bit wrote:

OBJECTIVE:
GTX card ... 8GB
NEG:
".... he received the equipment in accordance with the description and in working order (and he does not question it) Then he withdrew from the contract and demanded an unconditional refund of the entire money, despite the fact that he sent us back the equipment that is no longer working (probably damaged it by a short circuit or interference in the firmware) We asked to suspend the consideration of the case until the complaint is considered by the manufacturer's authorized service because the card is under the manufacturer's warranty ... "

What is this evidence for? It is equally good that there are scammers among the buyers. I have no doubts that such situations do happen (an attempt to return the damaged item).

also ...
Then you are proposing to block what buyers

I share the negative opinions about the allegro locally.
I suggest:
Decent-priced shipments via SendIt
https://sendit.pl/nadaj-paczke
courier up to 10 kg FedEx - 15.36
Parcel lockers - 12.16
and many other options.
The fact that it is no longer SMART, but you have to find an alternative on the market.

On ebay, sales commission for private individuals - 10%, also a rip off.

The photos show nothing locally, the photos are rather illustrative, the Allegro cuts the resolution.
Free server for posting photos in high resolution ugu.pl
We put a link to photos in the description and that's it.

You will have to avoid the allegro mediation and get along outside, they even write that themselves. Then there will be no commission.

You can make a transfer on the phone. After all, the bank verified such a person.
If so, you can report the fraud to the police as soon as the package does not arrive.

A bit off the topic, but I feel that Allegro has just got swept away from intermediaries offering "shipping from China":

https://businessinsider.com.pl/finanse/handel...ki-z-aliexpress-w-paczkomatach-inpost/tv19880

techlock wrote:

You will have to avoid the allegro mediation and get along outside, they even write that themselves. Then there will be no commission.

You can make a transfer on the phone. After all, the bank verified such a person.
If so, you can report the fraud to the police as soon as the package does not arrive.

FIRST
A SOURCE OF FRAUD

techlock wrote:

The photos show nothing locally, the photos are rather illustrative, the Allegro cuts the resolution.

They are only scaled, nothing cuts anything - right click and show the image ...

Piottr242 wrote:

A bit off the topic, but I feel that Allegro has just got swept away from intermediaries offering "shipping from China":

https://businessinsider.com.pl/finanse/handel...ki-z-aliexpress-w-paczkomatach-inpost/tv19880

It is still impossible to get the goods in a few days, there is this barrier of 3 weeks, for me it is impossible to jump over in most cases (I will not wait so long for a ready module or other element because I want to build / check something in the coming days, not for month). Parcel locker is often shipped within 24 hours and even on Saturdays they deliver.

This "a little" changes the situation on the Polish market

https://www.pb.pl/alibaba-i-piec-tysiecy-paczkomatow-975764

Regarding the Buyer Protection Program:
40 robbers have long since moved from Alibaba to Allegro. It is safer to buy from the Chinese than in Poland.

Does it show AL at all, or does anyone bid what I put up? There is no such information anywhere, neither on the page of the item nor on the list of auctions. Or maybe I am looking wrong? It is AL that is a failure, when we run out of a given advertisement, I have to post it again, I cannot "List again". What does Allegro do ...

And I saw such a banner today at the seller.

rob_milek wrote:

And I saw such a banner today at the seller.
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Such is "privateer"!
His problem does not make me sad

I would be looking for the pressure of the ruling authorities in this change to seal the gray area.
Because a large number of people who did not run a business managed to earn some extra money by trading rubbish / scrap from the West or modules from China.

E8600 wrote:

I would be looking for the pressure of the ruling authorities in this change to seal the gray area.
Because a large number of people who did not run a business managed to earn some extra money by trading rubbish / scrap from the West or modules from China.

Business activity to some 1000 PLN / month (50% of the minimum) does not require registration. Introduced on April 30, 2018.
If he pays the income tax on it, then the way is free and nothing can be done about it.
As a person under 26 years of age, I do not have to pay any tax on this account (it does not mean that I play such activities). Or we are in the free quota and we pay nothing. To be considered by people who want to earn some extra money in college, for their first job or to survive temporary unemployment.

But how he doesn't pay it generally depends on how much money has gone and how often.
When someone occasionally sells several pieces to earn some extra PLN 100-200, it does not exhaust the features of the act and there is a possibility to "wriggle out".
Only if someone was having fun on a larger scale, he would probably have unpleasantness because of it.

It is probably not convenient for the government, but they cannot withdraw from the lack of income tax for young people and undeclared activity. These are "flagship" projects.

pawelr98 wrote:

Business activity to some 1000 PLN / month (50% of the minimum) does not require registration. Introduced on April 30, 2018.
If he pays the income tax on it, then the way is free and nothing can be done about it.

Only that such sellers appeared much earlier before the above-mentioned regulations came into force.

Włodzimierz Wojtiuk wrote:

pawelr98 wrote:

Business activity to some 1000 PLN / month (50% of the minimum) does not require registration. Introduced on April 30, 2018.
If he pays the income tax on it, then the way is free and nothing can be done about it.

Only that such sellers appeared much earlier before the above-mentioned regulations came into force.

But you can still get hold of the legal definition.
If someone is selling, for example, lumber from an apartment, he does not have to start a business.
If someone buys and sells a pair of, for example, mobile phones, probably not.
Everything is a matter of scale, amount of money, the will of the official and possible denunciation.
If this "activity" is the primary source of income, it is obvious that there will be problems. But small amounts are generally harder to detect and there is room for discussion with an official.

Currently, the tax office is struggling strongly with the shadow economy, but we operate without registration, creating a gap. Previously, it was basically the other way around.

I would even say that now, not so long ago, I was playing with my mother's US control and the absurd was chasing the absurd. You send a scan of your student ID and they tell you that they still need a high school diploma scan. And how can you get to college without a high school diploma? And not only the US has such absurdities, the military commission was also making problems when I just brought them a student ID instead of a school leaving certificate and high school diploma.
Then I personally asked the clerk the aforementioned question and he let it go.

In order not to deviate too much from the plot.

Recently, I saw that on television began advertising services saying that there are no commissions and fees.
Had they sensed an opportunity?
Because if the allegro will "break" to the rest, it is obvious that a certain void will arise which will have to be managed. And these websites probably do not wait for anything else.

Gentlemen, see my link above, direct deliveries from alli to parcel lockers will close allegro.
I am curious how they will solve customs matters.