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Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

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  • #511 18356619
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    max-bit wrote:
    As he writes, this deliberate action and that's it.

    Of course it's on purpose, they didn't change the rules "by accident" :) The point is that the market will regulate itself.
    There are thousands of sales groups on Facebook. Some of 5,000 and more members, specialized for a specific type of goods (games, photo equipment, cars) or for a specific location (such as Tricity deals with up to 15,000 members). Groups on FB supersede forums, is this a reason to stamp your feet and grumble? Well no - because there will always be alternatives. Maybe you just have to go ahead and not complain that a private company has decided otherwise than we like.
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  • #512 18356927
    Anonymous
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  • #513 18356955
    max-bit
    Level 34  
    And what was not, for example, the light bulb conspiracy?

    Then read on ... think, not just what the mainstream media will squeeze you.

    But it is interesting that on ebay (I know it is not cheap there, they also loot 10% and they also pay with PayPal) but so far no one (oddly enough) came up with the idea to throw out private sellers, although there has also been a market there in recent years and retailers have changed - companies also make up a large percentage.
    But basically, to this day, ebay is considered an auction market.

    After the removal of private sellers from the Allegro, there is always a chance that something that will replace it is certainly not some forums, FB discussion clubs, etc., it is nonsense.
    People want to have one platform that allows you to sell, buy, etc. And if it will be unfortunate AL, I don't know.

    As I wrote many times, it would be nice for ebay to do something, but not to know why it does not care. And yet the maneuver would be simple, significantly, and it can completely eliminate the commission, a little advertising, a little support, and probably would catch. Nothing here.

    Other sites are so insignificant meaning it doesn't make sense.
  • #514 18365149
    alistair80
    Level 9  
    I do not understand some of the comments completely. The brutal truth is that Allegro Locally is going to get people who sell their work or unnecessary things without running a business. I agree that all this Allegro Lokalnie is a failure, because the technological level was probably better at the very beginning of Allegro's existence. Maybe something will change in time, which I personally doubt. Unfortunately, the current Allegro is not the same as at the beginning. The website has been bought, there is a new owner who has decided to change the business model, shifting his attention to companies, not ordinary people selling used laptops or used shoes. Unfortunately, it is so, someone wrote here that the best seller generated a higher commission for Allegro than many private sellers there. Still someone else had a grudge against this comparison. And it is absolutely right. And someone is surprised that Allegro is focused on "serious" contractors? I also don't like the fact that regular users have been brutally kicked on Allegro Lokalnie, but we don't have much influence on that. Of course, I can be wrong, maybe someone will point me in the right direction, but no UOKiK has anything to say in this matter. After all, no one will allow you to enter the hypermarket and sell any products there. If Allegro decides that they only support store sales, and an ordinary user can no longer list anything, then no one will forbid them. If I am wrong, I am asking for a correction, but it is the website owner who decides who he will serve. Of course, it does not have to be liked, but I really doubt that any foreigner (and in the case of a Pole it could be the same) cares about it at all. The situation with Allegro is similar to the situation with our class. The only difference is that Allegro is still Allegro, but in a different form, and Facebook is not a newer version of our class, but its replacement.
  • #515 18366094
    SZYMON BYDGOSZCZ
    Level 38  
    alistair8 wrote:
    The brutal truth is that Allegro Locally is going to get people who sell their work or unnecessary things without running a business.


    Why ?

    Allegro offers also locally - what's the problem?
  • #516 18366178
    alistair80
    Level 9  
    SZYMON BYDGOSZCZ wrote:
    Allegro offers also locally - that's where the problem is


    At least in the quality of this subpage, which does not provide the same possibilities as the main Allegro page.
  • #517 18366972
    zgierzman
    Level 31  
    max-bit wrote:
    As I wrote many times, it would be nice for ebay to do something, but not to know why it does not care.


    From the very beginning, Ebay had the Polish market in ... and nothing has changed in this matter.

    When the Polish version of the website was to appear, there was an atmosphere of anticipation on the alt.pl.allegro group:
    There will be a new player with a mature website, new services, and finally competition for Allegro.
    And after launching ebay.pl, it turned out that the website looks like it was made by junior high school students during apprenticeships: most of the functionality from ebay.com is missing, the division into categories is ridiculously poor, and spelling errors such that you could fall off your chair. For example, in the Audio section there was a "I believe" category. Simply drama.

    Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

    The offer includes lotto systems and drink recipes. Ebay.pl was based on I believe people in a winning lottery, and if you fail, you can always get drunk ...

    It is no wonder that then Świstak had more auctions than ebay.pl

    Here are the archival data from Aukcjostat:

    Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

    If such a giant did not want to win with Świstak, how is it supposed to compete with Allegro? And where does such disregard for ebay for our country come from? I don't know, you can only guess.
    And if you don't know what's going on, it's probably about money. For example, there may be an arrangement that ebay has Central and Eastern Europe somewhere, Allego is not pushed west, but they opened websites in the Czech Republic, Russia, Romania, etc. as Aukro.cz or TeszVesz.hu

    BTW, the peak on Świstak between December 2009 and December 2012 is interesting. What happened then?
  • #518 18366995
    Anonymous
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  • #519 18367028
    zgierzman
    Level 31  
    Erbit wrote:
    zgierzman wrote:
    ... And where does such disregard for ebay for our country come from? ...


    We have never counted as a market. It is enough to look through the manuals for various products to see how different the translations are - and there is no Polish one.

    We can have some ideas, demands (for example in the case of Allegro or Ebay), or even national pride, but ... others in the translations of the instructions show us where they have us (in the sense - how much we care economically / market for them).


    Can you give a specific example? Of course, the product bought in PL ...
    Because as far as I know, it is forbidden by law to sell the product without Polish instructions. And if you buy something like that, you can report your zapenwe to the Office of Competition and Consumer Protection and you may even get some compensation ...

    From my observations it appears that the Polish version is always, only sometimes between Mongolian and Swahili.

    And for believers on ebay.pl I found an article from the times I wrote about in the previous post:
    https://www.pcworld.pl/news/Prowizorka-pl-czyli-eBay-po-polsku,78145.html
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  • #520 18367085
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #521 18367128
    max-bit
    Level 34  
    And it is still a makeshift after 15 years.
    15 years in the world of computers and the Internet is an abyss!
    we have 2020
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  • #522 18367167
    gielo2
    Level 11  
    Erbit wrote:
    zgierzman wrote:
    ... And where does such disregard for ebay for our country come from? ...


    We have never counted as a market. It is enough to look through the manuals for various products to see how different the translations are - and there is no Polish one.

    We can have some ideas, demands (for example in the case of Allegro or Ebay), or even national pride, but ... others in the translations of the instructions show us where they have us (in the sense - how much we care economically / market for them).


    I cannot fully agree with this, otherwise, why such a flood of Western companies in Poland if we do not count as a market?

    We count as a market, but if we accept everything that is given to us with virtually no objection, why would any corporations change anything in our direction, if they do not suffer any loss from it, and often on the contrary, it brings them additional income?

    Even earlier statements that Allegro is a private company and can do whatever it wants. Well, if in my private shop I kick both of them in the ass, they will also say that it's okay, because it's my private company and I can do what I want?
  • #523 18367246
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #524 18367526
    zgierzman
    Level 31  
    Erbit wrote:
    Sonoff basic
    Sonoff POW


    You know, these are niche products, for a niche audience, sold by niche sellers somewhere on Allegro.

    By "market" I mean a mass recipient, e.g. household appliances, where the turnover is counted in billions of zlotys
    https://www.bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Rynek-AGD-w-...-roku-wzrosnac-o-4-5-proc-APPLiA-7638753.html

    Of course, you can lodge a complaint about an unreliable sonoff seller somewhere (UOKiK?). But what for?
  • #525 18367580
    gielo2
    Level 11  
    Erbit wrote:
    gielo2 wrote:
    ... why such a flood of western companies in Poland ...


    1. What kind of discharge? The fact that companies with foreign capital plugged the hole after the previous regime is rather normal and not a "flood".

    2. The market is a consumer and this Polish consumer is poor so there is nothing to fight for. For now, the only "rash" are supermarkets, where you can often buy cheap and poor-quality food. People will always eat and wash, but these are only the basics of consumption and the most down-to-earth ones.

    3. The average income in Germany in the eastern federal states is slightly above 2,000 EUR, in Poland 5,000 PLN - which is still two times less than in Germany, counting only the eastern federal states. If you look at the Western Länder, the average is around EUR 5,000 - which is over 4 times more than the average in Poland.

    4. This means that the "West" German has 5 times the purchasing power of his salary. Illustratively - multiply your "salary" by 5, multiply your wife's salary by 5 and think how much easier it would be for your family to live. Surely you would not put the whole "on account" but you would consume a lot.

    5. So, despite some changes, we are still a niche consumer because we are a poor consumer and such eBay certainly knows what it is doing without entering Poland.


    1. It is rather an effect of the policy of the State which prefers to support Western companies rather than domestic, Polish ones. Well, but you can believe what you want.

    2. The market is ... the market, and the consumer is the consumer and is only one element of the market. Another is the producer, as well as the seller, service provider, goods, services, etc. You do not need to be a genius to notice the difference between the number of Western companies in Poland and the number of Western goods sold in relation to Polish ones. Besides, people in Poland not only eat and wash, (do you have a computer at home or a smartphone and the Internet? - I think so, because you wrote this post on Sunday after all):] it is not the majority of Poles goods and ... services unfortunately. As for the supermarkets themselves, they do not sell only food (unless someone likes to enjoy the taste of such a drill from Juli, or a lawn mower or oil paint from OBI), and if we are with it, it is not only of poor quality. As for the supermarkets themselves, they are somehow the effect of the policy of Polish governments, which destroys small Polish entrepreneurship, for example by supporting large Western concerns.

    3. And it will not change with good intentions alone. As the saying goes Good intentions, this hell is riddled with. I will ignore the fact that I have many reservations as to whether the rulers actually have good intentions for Poles to live better. They probably care more about stools and a trough. The average in no way reflects the wealth of the nation, the median is better, but not ideal. In addition, not only earnings are important, but also the prices of goods and services, i.e. how much for your salary you can buy in a nutshell. The fact that the prices of Polish entrepreneurs' goods and services are usually higher than those of Western ones and it is difficult for them to compete with them is often the fault of various taxes, which are included in the price of these goods and services. How is it that it is cheaper to get goods from somewhere exotic China or even from Germany and sell them in Poland than to produce them here in Poland?

    4. You have a pi?cet plus, so what is it, p? Seriously, I wrote about what I think about the average, as well as the comparison of our earnings to the Western ones. I am interested in how much I and another Pole can buy for our salary, and not the number of zeros. About 20 years ago we were all millionaires, which didn't necessarily translate into our personal wealth, right? As for the wealth of Germany, were they in the same economic situation as Poland 30 years after the end of the war? Were the people equally poor? Poland is, of course, poorer than Germany, it is obvious, but it does not mean that we are as poor as Venezuela (by the way, very rich in natural resources and extremely favorable conditions for plant vegetation), in our country people from hunger on the streets do not die like in Venezuela and every year, as Poles, we spend these several dozen or several hundred billion euros or zlotys (no matter what currency it is counted in) for various pleasures that are more or less pleasant for us. Do you think it is not enough for Western concerns to start graciously interested in our market?

    5. And in this connection, probably, it is greedy for our penny earnings Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Leroy Merlin, Toshiba, LG, etc. etc. entered the Polish market? You think so ? The Chinese are probably also pushing into our market for this reason.

    No offense, but if we in Poland have economics specialists like you, I am not surprised that we have exactly the economic situation and the financial situation of most Polish families that we have. I don't want to discuss the economy and politics in a forum that is not for that anymore. Perhaps I will end with such a statement. The fact is that we are not the richest country, but we also do not belong to the poorest, lest the benevolent western companies are not interested in our market. However, I believe that it could have been much better if it were not for the Policy of the State and the attitude of the majority of people who still believe in socialism. Martians don't vote for them.

    In conclusion, it is accurate to say "a flood of Western companies", these constitute the majority and their number is still growing. the dynamics is also greater in relation to Polish companies.
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    Anonymous
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  • #527 18367868
    zgierzman
    Level 31  
    Erbit wrote:
    zgierzman wrote:
    ...
    You know, these are niche products, for a niche audience, sold by niche sellers somewhere on Allegro.
    ...


    This is supposed to be an excuse? You asked for an example, I gave it. Household appliances are not bought every day, but I will not fail to check it on the occasion.


    This is not an excuse. This is why it is so. The salesperson is a small company and has no cash or the desire to print manuals for the equipment he sells per year. He does it against the law, but he hopes that these few clients will not be a problem. If the sale was in thousands, the Polish manual would certainly be found.
    But you can always mobilize the seller - I already wrote how.

    And it is not the fault of the sonoff manufacturer, but the fault of the Polish retailer / distributor. It is up to him to print the Polish manual.

    And this, because I know, Elektrolux, or another Amica, puts hundreds of thousands, maybe millions (?) Of products into stores in Europe and around the world, so sometimes the manual is the size of a book, only 12 pages of which are in Polish, because it is instruction in all languages of the world. They do it automatically, it is a matter of scale, because printing a million such books is no cost for this company. If they sell something on a specific market, there should be an instruction in that language and that's it.

    I've been buying an electric shaver recently - the brand doesn't matter, but it's a big brand.
    There was a small book (instruction) only in Polish and from the disease of multilingual papers - warnings, warranty conditions and so on. And on an A3 sheet, the Polish piece (just like in any other language) took up as much as a tram ticket.
  • #528 18368052
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    zgierzman wrote:
    And it is not the fault of the sonoff manufacturer, but the fault of the Polish retailer / distributor. It is up to him to print the Polish manual.
    We have a global market, printing such a manual costs money, so if the Polish distributor printed it, the product would be more expensive for me. I have a Polish manual somewhere, I don't need it for anything, I prefer to buy cheaper goods without it. If I am to save on something, it is best to buy things such as instructions or packaging. This obligation sometimes leads to a situation where the price is maintained, but the goods intended for our market are of lower quality or lack some functions.
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    Anonymous
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  • #530 18372543
    max-bit
    Level 34  
    I think it should be like that.
    Who has heard of the Mittel Europa project? Mr. Bismarck?
    Probably not many.
    And I suggest reading.
    And when you get acquainted, you will find out that you have to buy, work in a corpo assembly plant and sometimes pat the so-called code :) (and it will tell you that this is hoho ... what it is not) do not whine, give everything away or on the line, etc.
  • #531 18372552
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk
    Level 32  
    max-bit wrote:
    I think it should be like that.
    Who has heard of the Mittel Europa project? Mr. Bismarck?


    I! I! "bless you!"

    Unfortunately, "by fruit", i.e. g ... m of washing powder, we recognize lousy coffee :-(
  • #532 18383375
    pokmijn
    Level 11  
    It has already been written so much about the treatment of the Polish consumer ... it is enough to compare a simple relationship. You earn a net minimal on your hand from January 1, 2020 to PLN 1920. For this amount, you can buy (ON, price is 5.15 PLN) 372.815 liters of diesel.
    Germany (the minimum wage in 2020 [the so-called der Mindestlohn] is 9.35 EUR / h and this is only for apprentices or novice employees). I assume that the German will work 140 hours - he will get 1300. For EUR 1300 he will buy exactly 1000 liters of diesel oil (the price today is around 1.3 EUR / l).
  • #534 18383435
    pokmijn
    Level 11  
    I remember today ... 2014, we built a plywood / stapling line in a printing house ... 1 and the same corporation + contractors, each of us (PL) Octavia, some poverty Golf version, and electronics assembly (business secret not available to countries to the east from the Oder) came a colleague from southern Germany, a private X6 (because the Panamera company is on the site).
  • #535 18409993
    sylweksylwina
    Moderator of Computers service
    Interestingly, I got an e-mail that the Allegro boasts how much it invested last year, that they will invest even more this year to improve the overall quality of services, that thanks to the Allegro some sellers had more than 100% better results, etc.

    And underneath the changes, among others. New commission calculation system - from April, the commission for auctions other than those with delivery from allegro Smart and for PLN 0 will be calculated on the basis of delivery costs and product cost. Well, laughter in the room, that I'm supposed to pay a commission for going to the post office or to a parcel locker and sending a parcel ?!
  • #536 18410013
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    sylweksylwina wrote:
    that I am supposed to pay a commission for going to the post office or parcel locker and sending the parcel ?!

    Just like that :-D
  • #537 18410017
    max-bit
    Level 34  
    And commissions have increased :)
    And let him pay for everything and the cycle of the helmet flies.
  • #538 18410217
    cichy koksik
    Level 16  
    sylweksylwina wrote:
    Well, laughter in the room, that I'm supposed to pay a commission for going to the post office or to a parcel locker and sending a parcel ?!

    So in other words:
    You do not cooperate with Allegro smart, you pay a commission :)
    Of course, I am writing here about entrepreneurs and not about the ordinary Kowalski.
    I think they're just getting started :)
  • #539 18410229
    max-bit
    Level 34  
    Of course, commissions are already starting, in some karategy they beat ebay (10%)
  • #540 18410464
    Anonymous
    Level 1  

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the introduction of "Allegro Lokalnie," a new, separate platform by Allegro aimed at private sellers, distinct from the main Allegro site which is increasingly focused on business accounts. Users report significant usability issues with Allegro Lokalnie, including limited photo uploads (maximum five), a restricted and basic description editor, lack of delivery price list integration, and absence of features like "show similar" items. The platform enforces a flat 10% commission on sales, which many consider excessive, especially for private sellers accustomed to lower fees. Allegro Lokalnie does not support integration with the old Allegro system, causing confusion and management difficulties for sellers. The new system restricts auction formats, limiting options to "Buy Now" or bidding, but with constraints that complicate auction management and re-listing. Users express frustration over the loss of traditional auction features, reduced protections, and the forced separation of private and business sellers, which some interpret as Allegro's strategy to phase out private sellers due to higher dispute management costs and legal complexities. The community discusses alternatives such as eBay.pl and Sprzedajemy.pl, though these are seen as less convenient or less developed in the Polish market. There is also mention of Allegro's ownership by investment funds (Cinven, Permira, Mid Europa Partners) and its transformation from a user-driven auction site to a commercial marketplace resembling a department store. Concerns include the removal of cheap shipping options like InPost parcel lockers, increased commissions, and the overall decline in user experience. The discussion highlights a broader trend of e-commerce consolidation, regulatory impacts, and the challenges faced by individual sellers in adapting to platform changes.
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