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Allegro locally - what the crap is that?!?

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  • #541 18410660
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk
    Level 32  
    sylweksylwina wrote:
    I got an e-mail how the allegro boasts of how much they invested in that year that they will invest even more this year

    I was also about to write (after reading the e-mail) ...

    But, what are you worried about, what are you sad about: gold and diamonds are easier to buy!
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  • #542 18410725
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    But why are you surprised? Janusz took the prices of shipments from space to be at the top of the list when sorting by price, and I'm not talking about evident scams like the above-mentioned, only shipments by registered mail for PLN 25-30. Two so-called "social transfers" have resulted in people (and specifically a specific group of these people) having more money, so more can be squeezed out of it. Unfortunately, this is how the giving away of money ends.
  • #543 18411093
    alistair80
    Level 9  
    I do not care? Shipment by registered mail for PLN 25-30? For me, the seller may demand PLN 100 for shipping, I simply won't buy from him. Anyway, I only sort from the lowest price down without shipping. And even when sorting together with the shipment, I am interested in the lowest price. Therefore, if I pay PLN 30 for the item and PLN 70 for shipping, i.e. PLN 100 in total, and at another seller I pay PLN 70 for the item and PLN 40 for shipping, i.e. a total of PLN 110, so more, I will buy the first one, because it is cheaper. And that's it. Well, maybe not really, if I read the comments and come to the conclusion that more is better, I will buy more. You can always get a cut, but the main thing is to read the description of the item, the comments, check the shipping prices, the shipping date, just keep your eyes on the back of your head, as some say. Then you will avoid many surprises. This is not Allegro's defense, because I see that I am lucky that I do not sell items, but when buying a new computer I would like to replace the old one. And I can see that Allegro is flying in balls. I feel especially sorry for the small sellers, because evidently Allegro bosses want to kick out the grays so that only big fish are left. It started with bothering people who simply want to sell something without running a business, and now it's hitting small sellers. Unfortunately, but after Allegro was bought by foreigners, these newcomers decided to change the business profile by replacing the auction platform with a platform like Amazon. It won't be better.
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  • #544 18411102
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    Let's think why allegro has no real competition ...?
    Because he is unrivaled? ;-)
  • #545 18411472
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    alistair8 wrote:
    I do not care? Shipment by registered mail for PLN 25-30? For me, the seller may demand PLN 100 for shipping, I simply won't buy from him. Anyway, I only sort from the lowest price down without shipping.
    ... and that's when you have these types of offers at the top. Maybe you will notice, but there will always be someone who will think "how much can a shipment cost" and click "Buy Now".

    Since Janusz cheated Allegro on commission, hiding a part of the profit in the cost of shipping, Allegro decided to put an end to it. You are to use their mediation in paying for the shipment (SMART), or they assume that the entire payment is your income and they don't care how much the shipment costs you. It's a fair deal for me.
  • #546 18411503
    alistair80
    Level 9  
    The only question is how much this smart costs the seller. Besides, it can also be a problem for the buyer. If everyone switches to smart, buyers will also have to use it. I have the impression that Allegro simply forces everyone to use this smart, and this should not be the case in any situation. For now, I am paying PLN 50 for the whole year, and what if it grows? When will this business end? And let's not forget about the prices of the products - it's a magic 39.99 and to use the smart you already have to buy something. Anyway, I am curious when UOKiK will become interested in it, because it will happen sooner or later. Allegro makes everyone happy. And the combiners who gain a lot of money from combining will do their thing anyway. Most often, ordinary people are hit, but they count the money spent. But as the saying goes - we will live, we will see.
  • #547 18411505
    CodeBoy
    Level 33  
    tzok wrote:


    Since Janusz cheated Allegro on commission, hiding a part of the profit in the cost of shipping, Allegro decided to put an end to it. You are to use their mediation in paying for the shipment (SMART), or they assume that the entire payment is your income and they don't care how much the shipment costs you. It's a fair deal for me.


    Well, recently looking at the prices of Metal tapes, I was surprised, a tape in a cassette for PLN 4, and a shipment for PLN 82.50 Because, maybe, really from the USA, I don't know. but catchable, buy now take it easy. And I am not surprised by the allegro, and other sellers lose out because of these combinations.
  • #548 18411625
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    alistair8 wrote:
    The only question is how much this smart costs the seller. Besides, it can also be a problem for the buyer. If everyone switches to smart, buyers will also have to use it. I have the impression that Allegro simply forces everyone to use this smart, and this should not be the case in any situation. For now, I am paying PLN 50 for the whole year, and what if it grows? When will this business end?
    For the last year, I am on the SMART 500 PLN ahead. If you do not want to, you do not have to buy, it is only about the use of shipments covered by SMART - Allegro Paczkomaty and Allegro Pickup at the point. As a customer, you can use them, they do not have SMART, but they are not free for you then.
  • #549 18411654
    zgierzman
    Level 31  
    tzok wrote:
    For the last year, I am on the SMART 500 PLN ahead.


    And who sponsored the PLN 500? It seems to me that no one entered the price of the goods. The economy does not work so well that someone will say "hey, I'll do it from my own pocket for free shipping, so that the customer has a smart" :-D
    I haven't been buying on Allegro for some time, unless I have no other choice. But when I was buying it, I saw the difference in price - offers with SMART were noticeably more expensive than without this option ...
    And still, most often you can find an online store where the same goods with shipping are cheaper than on Allegro SMART ...
  • #550 18411667
    tomku77
    Level 12  
    Novile wrote:
    After all, I will not pay a monthly SMART tribute when I sell one or two things a month and that's the stuff I have at home.

    You don't really understand how smart works. The smart package is bought by the buyer, and the seller has to meet a few simple conditions and can offer smart shipments.
  • #551 18411721
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    zgierzman wrote:
    And who sponsored the PLN 500? It seems to me that no one entered the price of the goods. The economy does not work so well that someone will say "hey, I'll do it from my own pocket for free shipping, so that the customer has a smart"
    Allegro sponsored in the first period to introduce the service to the market. Besides, if I hadn't bought SMART, I would have paid so much more and there is nothing to argue with. If SMART did not exist, the goods would probably be a bit cheaper, but they do exist ... they are paid by customers and Allegro, not sellers.
  • #552 18411741
    alistair80
    Level 9  
    I know what smart is, I use it myself and I am also a lot of money ahead. I do not mean the system itself, but the fact that if I understand the changes on the Allegro correctly, this website forces the seller to "be" smart. Until now, the seller has paid a commission on the sale. Now he will be paying commission on sales + shipping. The much higher the price for the shipment, the higher the commission will be. Of course, if he also lowers the selling price, the commission is smaller. This forces "crooks" to give lower prices for items and shipping, so that it will not be profitable to inflate shipping prices. And that's good. However, in my opinion, this hits sellers who do not offer smart, because they will pay a commission on sales + shipping, and the rest (offering smart, when shipping is PLN 0) only on sales (because shipping is PLN 0). Of course, all this is a matter of dependency, so I'm curious how it looks from the seller's side, because probably the seller also pays Allegro for providing Smart options to customers. Okay, I checked on Allegro - Allegro covers the basic shipping cost when smart. The basic word is important here, because it concerns "standard" shipment, i.e. without shipment insurance, unusual dimensions, etc., i.e. additional services for which you pay additionally (just like at the post office, courier company). So it should be quite a profitable business. Time will show what comes out of it.
  • #553 18411799
    cichy koksik
    Level 16  
    tzok wrote:
    It's a fair deal for me

    Is it a fair deal to impose a commission on shipping costs? I don't believe what I'm reading ...
    There are other methods for the crooks you describe. Ba, now ordering something abroad, I will feel a higher shipping cost - is the seller a scam in this case because he gave a higher cost of delivery? Is not.
    You do not throw everyone into one sack and the actions of Allegro are those I wrote about earlier, i.e. either smart or free delivery or pay a commission ...
    What they are doing now simply cannot be defended and I think it will be loud about it and maybe they will even withdraw from it (?) :)
  • #554 18411887
    stasiekb100
    Level 29  
    A few years ago I heard that amazon will enter Poland. And it is in the form of allegro.
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  • #555 18411938
    cichy koksik
    Level 16  
    stasiekb100 wrote:
    A few years ago I heard that amazon will enter Poland

    And it is ... with warehouses :)
  • #556 18412193
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    eBay PayPal charges a commission on each payment ... therefore also on shipping costs, Allegrowe PayU is free.

    Can anyone prevent them from charging you a commission on income? When Allegro acts as an intermediary in shipping, it does not charge a commission on shipping costs, if not, shipping is a cost for the seller - as is the purchase of goods, storage and packaging. This is the buyer's business, he can add this 10% to the price ... or he will have to lower his margin a bit, as there is competition.
  • #557 18412218
    sylweksylwina
    Moderator of Computers service
    Let's assume that, as now, I offer auctions with the Allegro InPost parcel locker shipping option for 8.99. Allegro will start adding a commission to this, even though the entire shipping cost is actually spent on shipping. I don't know why I would lose it.
  • #558 18412229
    cichy koksik
    Level 16  
    tzok wrote:
    if not mediated, shipping is the seller's expense

    Since when?
    Somehow the buyer always chooses and pays the shipping cost and now also the commission.
    sylweksylwina wrote:
    I don't know why I would lose it.

    Are you the seller or the buyer? :)
    It is known that the seller will throw PLN 9.50 for the shipment instead of PLN 8.99, so the buyer loses - right?
    Well, now pay for the cost of delivery abroad or even the cost of oversized shipping.

    Added after 7 [minutes]:

    tzok wrote:
    Can anyone prevent them from charging you a commission on income?

    But shipping cost is not income, so ... :)
    At least the one outside of smart.
  • #559 18412245
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    Indeed, it is a bit of a misunderstanding that they will actually charge a commission on all shipments, including their own (Allegro Paczkomat). If they wanted to do it 100% honestly, they would charge a commission on shipping costs above the Allegro Paczkomat shipping cost. This payment goes "through them" so they know how much the seller actually paid for the shipping.
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  • #560 18412268
    cichy koksik
    Level 16  
    tzok wrote:
    If they wanted to do it 100% honestly, they would charge a commission on shipping costs above the cost of shipping Allegro Paczkomat

    No, it wouldn't be fair and it is not, I would say discriminatory - double standards.
  • #561 18412271
    silvvester
    Level 25  
    Włodzimierz Wojtiuk wrote:
    sylweksylwina wrote:
    I got an e-mail how the allegro boasts of how much they invested in that year that they will invest even more this year

    I was also about to write (after reading the e-mail) ...

    But, what are you worried about, what are you sad about: gold and diamonds are easier to buy!


    Quote.
    Allegro prohibits trading in gold and silver.

    Why? Because Chinese counterfeits appeared, in the case of silver coins or bars it was tin coated with a thin layer of silver.
    Only companies can sell gold, silver or other miracles :)

    As for me, I gave up allegro for a long time. He buys more expensive things directly from online stores. Will the Allegro fall? I doubt it. I observe the number of offers in the electronics department, 12 years ago there were slightly over 10,000 offers, about 6 years ago already 100,000 offers, now I have a look and there are 400,000 offers.

    Such a curiosity for today. Original Epson inks ECOTANK 70ml cost PLN 27 in the Epson store, fakes for PLN 25 on Allegro. And why do I need this allegro?



  • #562 18413109
    edek304
    Level 1  
    You are discussing smarty in the context of rather mini shipments, and what about specific, courier shipments, such as rims or tires, for example? After all, shipping 4 rims costs 2 x 17 zlotys minimum, of which allegro returns 11 zlotys for one package, or even In fact, I don't know if it's not for two. Anyway, it's a broad day robbery and the costs are shifted to the seller, so virtually no one in this category offers smart, I wonder what will be the result of these changes.
  • #563 18413164
    cichy koksik
    Level 16  
    @ edek304
    But are you already talking about the costs according to the new regulations?
    Because he will change.
    Quote:
    "By the end of February, the promotional period will be extended, in which Allegro will refund the full cost of courier shipments as part of Allegro Smart !. However, from March 1, you will be able to use the service on changed, special conditions: Allegro will finance most of the cost of the shipment, the rest will be covered by the seller in in the form of a discount that it will grant to the buyer. "
  • #564 18413514
    Eidems
    Level 29  
    edek304 wrote:
    You are discussing smarty in the context of rather mini shipments, and what about specific, courier shipments, such as rims or tires, for example? After all, shipping 4 rims costs 2 x 17 zlotys minimum, of which allegro returns 11 zlotys for one package, or even In fact, I don't know if it's not for two. Anyway, it's a broad day robbery and the costs are shifted to the seller, so virtually no one in this category offers smart, I wonder what will be the result of these changes.

    They can always sell goods at prices in stationary stores and wait for someone to buy the goods. You have a free market, who sells for a lower price makes money and that's it.
  • #565 18415056
    hindoos
    Level 35  
    Novile wrote:
    This is a deliberate job. But no wonder, I bought a TV on Allegro for PLN 30 and the shipment was PLN 570. The greedy Allegro received a very large commission on this transaction.

    It turns out that the TV is damaged, you return under the warranty, unfortunately it can not be repaired - here is a return, your 30 PLN. best regards :D
  • #566 18415148
    ^ToM^
    Level 42  
    hindoos wrote:
    Novile wrote:
    This is a deliberate job. But not weird alone I once bought a TV on Allegro for PLN 30 and the shipment was PLN 570. The greedy Allegro received a very large commission on this transaction.

    It turns out that the TV is damaged, you return under the warranty, unfortunately it can not be repaired - here is a return, your 30 PLN. best regards :D


    But think about whether what you did had common sense at all?
    In addition, when returning, the seller will give you the goods + shipping not only for the goods for the entire transaction. They give me back for the whole thing. I will say more, even recently a man gave me back for my shipment to him when the goods were damaged.
  • #567 18415223
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #568 18415272
    SZYMON BYDGOSZCZ
    Level 38  
    hindoos wrote:
    It turns out that the TV is damaged, you return it under the warranty, unfortunately it can not be repaired - here is a return, your PLN 30. best regards


    If the complaint is accepted, you will get a refund of all costs.

    Including the cost of returning the complaint.

    Added after 58 [seconds]:

    ^ToM^ wrote:
    I will say more, even recently a man gave me back for my shipping to him when the goods were damaged.


    He did not do grace - he had to give back.
  • #569 18415328
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #570 18415833
    Eidems
    Level 29  
    Novile wrote:
    SZYMON BYDGOSZCZ wrote:
    He did not do grace - he had to give back.
    And it is not true, that whoever pays you for the shipment towards him is only his goodwill. Why should he pay you back, if he does not even see the money. The carrier collects the money for the shipment and it is simply fair! Why? Because this service is performed properly and in accordance with the price list. Therefore, the carrier performs its work properly and charges for it. What, is it supposed to do for free? In the name of what? The seller himself has nothing to do with it, because you choose the carrier. Therefore, you yourself agree to the terms of the service. I do not know exactly how Polish law determines this, but I personally do not intend and never pay for the shipment, unless the goods are defective. When buying a used item, it may break down at any time. Not necessarily during transport. You take the item out of the box, run it and BUM just broke - and what do you blame? Maybe your device has reached the end of its service life at the moment. It is not the seller's fault, nor the carrier's fault, nor yours. This is the risk I wrote above, people often don't even take it into account. He buys a worn-out thing and hopes that some loser has bought a new one and sells it, because what, because the color does not match the color of the hat? He buys a used item and wants it to work like new, and he treats this "use" only as testing the item by the previous owner? There are plenty of such idiots. When I buy a used thing, I always assume that it may be a corpse on its last breath and I may have to "resurrect" it myself, or even "bury it at my own expense". I never count that someone has spent money and then voluntarily wants to lose at least half of that money and sell me good equipment. It would be simply ridiculous. Especially a Pole, he always buys scrap at the "flea market", then he pins it a bit and as long as he keeps his hand, he can quickly trade it! I have done this more than once, but I have always stuck to the industry in which I know a bit and I knew what I was selling. The worst traders of the NEO generation, total dilettante who know nothing and trade only for maximum profit. Buying from such a layman is a pure lottery.

    In the name of the law. If your washing machine breaks down, pay for the two-way courier yourself. What interests you, the seller makes money by selling the goods, not you.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the recent changes to Allegro's auction platform, particularly the introduction of "Allegro Lokalnie," which has been met with significant dissatisfaction from users. Many users express frustration over the limitations of the new platform, including a 10% commission fee, restrictions on the number of photos (limited to five), and the inability to use certain features like "show similar" or a comprehensive description editor. Users feel that the changes favor businesses over individual sellers, leading to a decline in private sales. The lack of a robust buyer protection program and the inability to track bids or manage auctions effectively are also major concerns. Some users suggest that the platform is becoming more akin to a notice board rather than a competitive auction site, prompting discussions about potential migration to other platforms like OLX or eBay. The overall sentiment indicates a belief that Allegro is losing touch with its user base and may face long-term consequences if it does not address these issues.
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