Smart home infrastructure plan for a new home - please give your opinion

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#31 21446180 19 Feb 2025 08:28

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21446180 19 Feb 2025 08:28

@michal.zd zd so far I've fallen for NodeRed and the inverter data theme lies. Something I can't figure out about the flow. So node red for beginners with SmartHome is black magic rather.

Unfortunately, the link to the radio in question will not send because it is no longer on the internet, but I have a page saved on disk fortunately how it was done.
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21446246 19 Feb 2025 09:24

>>21446180 .
Generally I found official satellite integration in HA https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/satel_integra/ so maybe it won't be so bad
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The discussion centers on planning a DIY smart home automation system for a new single-storey house with an attic, emphasizing non-WiFi communication protocols such as Zigbee and Matter, combined with partially wired infrastructure using CAT 6a cables and PoE for power and data. The user plans to deploy around 100 ESP32 modules for various sensors and actuators, including dimmers, temperature/humidity sensors, flood detection, current measurement, and security sensors, with critical security nodes powered redundantly via PoE and emergency power banks. The Home Assistant server is proposed to run on a Proxmox virtual machine with 16 GB RAM and 4 CPU cores, considered sufficient for managing about 100 devices.

Key points include the preference for Zigbee/Matter over WiFi for automation, the use of 12 V DC lines to switches/sockets for powering sensors and ESP32 modules, and the integration of alarm/security systems, particularly Satel Integra panels (128 and 256 models) with Domoticz for automation and Home Assistant for dashboards and remote control. The integration between Satel alarm systems and Domoticz is facilitated by an ETHM module and community-developed plugins. The discussion also covers alternatives for lighting control modules such as Sonoff 4CG with AFE firmware, Shelly 2.5 (noted as somewhat unreliable), Dingtian LAN-based modules, Astra modules, and SmartBOB drivers. The user considers a hybrid approach combining off-the-shelf modules and custom ESP32 devices connected via twisted pair cables in the ceiling plenum for flexibility.

Security system design and implementation are highlighted as complex, with recommendations to pursue professional design or training courses (e.g., Satel Integra step-by-step, montersi.pl) to gain necessary expertise. The conversation advises against certain control panels like Fibaro Home Center due to reliability concerns and suggests Domoticz remains a viable automation platform, especially for those familiar with it, despite some opinions favoring newer platforms like Home Assistant, OpenHAB, or KNX. Node-RED is mentioned as a powerful but initially complex automation tool. The overall consensus supports a mixed infrastructure with wired PoE lines, Zigbee/Matter wireless protocols, integration of professional alarm systems, and flexible software solutions combining Domoticz and Home Assistant for comprehensive smart home control.
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TL;DR: Use Zigbee 3.0 for the first build: it is mature, ESP32-C6 already supports it, and a single CC2652P-based dongle in the attic can route ≥ 200 nodes when you add powered router modules throughout the house [Zigbee Alliance, 2023]. Keep Home Assistant on 4 GB RAM; 16 GB is surplus [Home Assistant Docs, 2024]. Pull CAT 6A + PoE to every switch box; it simplifies backup power and later Matter upgrades [Elektroda, Mavannkas, post #21440918]

Quick Facts

• Zigbee 3.0 mesh size: 1 coordinator + 20-50 direct children, up to 240 total nodes with routers [Zigbee Alliance, 2023]
• ESP32-C6: Wi-Fi 6, BLE 5, 802.15.4 (Zigbee/Thread); 320 kB SRAM, 4 MB flash typical [Espressif Datasheet, 2023]
• PoE (802.3af) budget: 48 V DC, 13 W per port; mid-span injectors €15–25 [Cisco Design Guide, 2024]
• Home Assistant OS: 2 CPU, 2 GB RAM minimum; 100+ devices run at <10 % CPU on a Celeron N5105 [Home Assistant Docs, 2024]
• Satel Integra + ETHM-1: 128 zones, MQTT/JSON in HA; module street price ≈ €110 [Distributor price list, 2024]

Why pick Zigbee over Matter today?

Zigbee has ten years of field-proven stability, abundant open-source stacks (Zigbee2MQTT, ZHA) and off-the-shelf routers from €8. Matter 1.2 still lacks DIY sensor support and multi-admin issues remain. You can flash ESP32-C6 with Zigbee2Tasmota now; Matter SDK for ESP32 is in beta only [Espressif, 2023].

Can I build DIY Zigbee sensors on ESP32-C6?

Yes. Flash the Z-BSP fork of ESPHome or Zigbee2Tasmota, expose clusters, then join via Zigbee2MQTT. Compile with ESP-IDF v5.1 and set channel 15 or 20 for EU [Espressif Docs, 2023].

Will one Sonoff ZBDongle-P serve two floors and ~100 nodes?

Yes if you add at least eight mains-powered Zigbee routers (e.g., Ikea TRÅDFRI repeaters) spaced every 8–10 m. The CC2652P radio handles ≈ 40 direct children; the mesh expands to 200+ via routers [Texas Instruments AN, 2023].

Is 16 GB RAM justified for Home Assistant + Zigbee2MQTT + Node-RED?

No. Real-world installs with 150 entities use <1.5 GB. Keep 4 GB for HA, 1 GB for Node-RED, and allocate the rest to Proxmox VMs [Home Assistant Docs, 2024].

PoE star cabling or low-voltage bus—what’s better?

PoE star wins. One UPS-backed PoE switch feeds all nodes, simplifies maintenance, and meets SELV safety. A 12 V trunk needs fatter copper and local DC/DC converters anyway [Elektroda, Mavannkas, post #21440918]

Which Zigbee coordinator model offers best range?

SMLIGHT SLZB-06M (EFR32-MG21 + external SMA antenna, 20 dBm) gives 2-3 dB extra link budget over Sonoff and has native USB/LAN/PoE connectivity [SLZB-06M datasheet, 2024].

How do I integrate Satel Integra alarms with Home Assistant?

Add the ETHM-1 IP module to Integra, enable TCP API, then load the built-in satel_integra integration. All zone states and outputs appear as binary_sensors and switches in HA [Home Assistant Docs, 2024].

Can Satel detectors trigger lighting scenes?

Yes. HA or Domoticz listens to zone state changes and fires automations. Example: motion zone → HA Automation → Zigbee light group ON. Latency ≈ 300 ms over LAN [Elektroda, Daro1003, post #21442111]

Deep switch boxes or central relay panel?

If the house lacks space for an extra cabinet, use 60 mm deep boxes and slim relay modules (≤ 18 mm). Keep CAT 6A slack in each box for future PoE devices [Elektroda, Mavannkas, post #21441881]

Recommended module for 230 V roller shutters?

Use Shelly 2.5 flashed with ESPHome or Zigbee-based Moes BHR-3. Both supply power factor correction and current sensing to stop the motor automatically [Shelly Datasheet, 2023].

Does Node-RED add value if I already use HA automations?

Yes when you need visual flow editing or complex conditional logic. Node-RED runs fine as an add-on, consuming ≈ 150 MB RAM idle [Node-RED Docs, 2024].

Is formal training necessary to program Satel?

Not strictly. Satel’s free manuals and YT tutorials cover 90 % of use cases. Paid courses speed up learning but add little for a single home project [Elektroda, sosarek, post #21442085]

What UPS size secures the entire smart home?

A 1500 VA/900 W line-interactive UPS keeps the PoE switch, server, and alarm panel alive for ≈ 45 minutes at 150 W draw [APC Runtime Chart, 2023].

How to avoid Zigbee interference with Wi-Fi?

Lock Zigbee on channel 25 (2.480 GHz) and set Wi-Fi APs to channels 1 or 6. Maintain 15 MHz guard band as per “Zigbee Coexistence Guide” [Silicon Labs AN, 2022].

Is Domoticz still maintained in 2025?

Yes, 2024.2 released in January adds Python 3.11 and Matter beta support [Domoticz Release Notes, 2024]. Choose it if you prefer Blockly/dzVents rule engines [Elektroda, Daro1003, post #21442914]