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Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

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  • #811 18670147
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    And the air outlet has melted the soap, because the dryer is on the washing machine and there is a shelf next to it. The dryer is not built-in, it is adjacent to the wall and nothing shuffles because it is muffled.
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  • #812 18718482
    colonial79
    Level 10  
    Today I bought a Sharp ES-HFH714AW3 washing machine and a Sharp KD-HHH7S7GW2-PL dryer out of necessity, because there is very little space in the block, and these appliances should fit deeply, because this dimension is poor. As for the exact dimensions, I have not received an answer from either the seller or the distributor in Poland, and there is no factory connector for them. While digging through the electrode forum, I came across an interesting suggestion and I wonder if such devices can be additionally muted from the inside? I intend to soundproof the walls, as long as the material can fit, because the recess borders on the room and the noise can be annoying.
  • #813 18718840
    Borutka
    Level 29  
    colonial79 wrote:
    Today I bought a Sharp ES-HFH714AW3 washing machine and a Sharp KD-HHH7S7GW2-PL dryer out of necessity, because there is very little space in the block, and these appliances should fit deeply, because this dimension is poor. As for the exact dimensions, I have not received an answer from either the seller or the distributor in Poland, and there is no factory connector for them. While digging through the electrode forum, I came across an interesting suggestion and I wonder if such devices can be additionally muted from the inside? I intend to soundproof the walls, as long as the material can fit, because the recess borders on the room and the noise can be annoying.

    I would start by checking whether the top-class devices have any damped enclosures. Itself effective selecting the right soundproofing materials (bituminous mats, foam, sponge, felt, etc.) requires some thought and knowledge. In addition, the possible impact of the treatment on the temperature and humidity inside the device and the warranty. You can try it and start by placing the dryer on a mat and blanket, and by placing some material on the outside walls of the dryer or in its vicinity.
  • #814 18727662
    pacpaw
    Level 12  
    mjkmjk1 wrote:
    Hi
    The dryer (Bosch WTX87MH0PL) arrived on Thursday, so I have been testing it for several days.

    3 times I dried such a mix of everyday clothes such as T-shirts, underwear, cotton pants, tracksuits, etc. Each time I shifted the entire contents of the washing machine 9 kg (before washing the drum was full, but not tight). In the dryer, wet and spun laundry took up about 2/3 of the drum volume. I didn't check the labels (my wife cuts the kids' clothes), I didn't sort, I just put everything into the dryer. Drying "to the cupboard" without any problems. Everything is dry, soft and not wrinkled. The wife is happy because the clothes are in such a condition that she has absolutely no intention of ironing them. With two children, it is a saving of time 15-20 minutes a day, not counting electricity for an iron.

    I was drying the towels once - the same was the full load from the washing machine 9 kg (about 15 medium-sized towels). The result - the same, everything dried and soft. I did not give any washing up liquid on purpose. Next time I will add to see if they are softer yet.

    Drying bed linen twice, in the same way in a full washing machine. I watched with apprehension what would happen to the terry sheets with an elastic band, but nothing curled up. I think that maybe if I packed the dryer with the entire volume of spin-washed laundry, maybe the contents would not be free to move, but in my case nothing curled into a ball. The first time I was drying two sets of bedding + sheets from single beds (140x200). Behind the second there is a set of bedding from a large bed 220 x 200 + 2 sheets.

    I have dried jackets once. Again, as before - two Kursk ski resorts with big children (adult size). In the 9 kg washing machine, they took up the entire volume loosely. Washed and spun at half power (1000 rpm). Dried on the "delicate" program. The jackets are also dry, although inside, on thick seams, where there was a thick layer of fleece (e.g. in the hood), they seem not completely dry. Maybe if I chose the highest level of dryness "wardrobe +", or dried on the left side, the effect would be better.

    So, to sum up, I have no objections. Very short and unreliable experiences, but so far nothing has turned into a ball. I hope that someone will find my long-standing opinion useful. I will describe the lint cleaning system in a separate post.

    Added after 29 [minutes]:

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    What are your thoughts today? AutoClean is checking, but would SelfCleaning Condenser be a better choice? I'm looking for something Bosch, Series 8, to put in the post and your opinion catches my eye.
  • #815 18732730
    zygit78
    Level 2  
    I am also wondering about the Bosch 8 series with AutoClean - exactly WTX87K40PL (until tomorrow I found a ray on a certain page). From what I've seen and read about these different dryers, Self Cleaning Condenser should rather be avoided. In most Bosch models with this self-cleaning capacitor / condenser (actually an evaporator :D because only he is washed) there is no access to it without making some modifications like cutting holes. For me, this solution is out of the question, because I do not want to believe that the water that flows by gravity on this heat exchanger will remove any of these lamellae. In addition, soaking this muck will only help it stick to the surface of the lamellas. However, the latter solution, half a thousand to a thousand more expensive, looks promising. The AutoClean has a service hatch to access the evaporator, it also has a mesh filter mounted diagonally in the service hatch, which is rinsed with water and flushes the lint into a removable tank that is underneath. It looks ok. You can even see in some videos a few seals that seem solid and possibly seal the whole thing well (better than the inserts at the drum door). The advantage is also that it is not necessary to clean the filter in the drum door after each use of the dryer. I am still struggling with the purchase, but I will rather buy it tomorrow. In addition, I checked the instructions and there are two "maintenance" programs on this particular dryer, so you don't need to enter any service menu to test individual dryer components to force a few rinses to clear most of the muck from the system.
  • #816 18733738
    lukiiiii
    Level 29  
    Do you have any patent for cleaning these lamellas? Maybe some measure that would peel off this crap? Compressed air doesn't work. He plans to break into the house a small compressor (24l) and blow it out, but I do not expect any great effect.
  • #817 18733860
    zygit78
    Level 2  
    You can probably use some condenser fluid in refrigeration systems, but without dismantling it is unlikely to happen. If you start blowing in the front of the evaporator, all the muck will end up in the condenser right behind it.
  • #818 18733931
    pacpaw
    Level 12  
    zygit78 wrote:
    I am also wondering about the Bosch 8 series with AutoClean - exactly WTX87K40PL (until tomorrow I found a ray on a certain page). From what I've seen and read about these different dryers, Self Cleaning Condenser should rather be avoided. In most Bosch models with this self-cleaning capacitor / condenser (actually an evaporator :D because only he is washed) there is no access to it without making some modifications like cutting holes. For me, this solution is out of the question, because I do not want to believe that the water that flows by gravity on this heat exchanger will remove any of these lamellae. In addition, soaking this muck will only help it stick to the surface of the lamellas. However, the latter solution, half a thousand to a thousand more expensive, looks promising. The AutoClean has a service hatch to access the evaporator, it also has a mesh filter mounted diagonally in the service hatch, which is rinsed with water and flushes the lint into a removable tank that is underneath. It looks ok. You can even see in some videos a few seals that seem solid and possibly seal the whole thing well (better than the inserts at the drum door). The advantage is also that it is not necessary to clean the filter in the drum door after each use of the dryer. I am still struggling with the purchase, but I will rather buy it tomorrow. In addition, I checked the instructions and there are two "maintenance" programs on this particular dryer, so you don't need to enter any service menu to test individual dryer components to force a few rinses to clear most of the muck from the system.


    let me know how you buy and praise the opinion
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  • #819 18734501
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I suggest you buy an additional foam filter for the condenser. I did it, the dryer works flawlessly, the sponge is dirty and the lamellas do not get dirty.
  • #820 18826982
    Tadek_Maciejewski
    Level 7  
    After 5 years, I order another condenser dryer. Currently, I have a defective Siemens IQ700 WT45W560PL - condensing with a heat pump. I bought it for PLN 3,100. She just gave up her ghost. When I read about condensing heat pumps: Electrolux, Bosch, Siemens, Beko, which barely live up to 5 years, I feel like using this technology for the second time. The difference of PLN 100 per year in the price of electricity will never be amortized when the equipment is replaced every 3-4 years. The "handyman" has already replaced the roll in mine (it fell - the cost of PLN 100 mainly of labor, because the roll is about PLN 30 with the shipment), he also took the whole thing apart to get to the "self-cleaning" condenser - there was a suspicion that due to the accumulated the dryer does not heat up in it. And there was a lot of shit, despite the cleaning of the filters each time (and here, note: cutting the service hole does not help, because the muck collects in the second heater, which is not accessible from the front - you have to disassemble the entire dryer, including the disassembly of the drum). Cost: PLN 200 for opening the dryer and the resuscitation attempt. In Siemens, the heat pump, or the programmer or the control board, has failed. Replacing the heat pump is something like PLN 1800, the control board 800, and the programmer 600. I did not check the tightness of the system (and there is also a problem with loading). I gave it up. I am just ordering a Bosch condenser with heater. Equipment price: PLN 1700. I don't even want to hear about any heat pump. In the event of a heater failure, replacement costs PLN 300-400. I used the programs that pleased me so much before I chose Siemens (steam ironing) for literally 5 years: 2 times ;) The shirts have to be ironed anyway, but slightly damp clothes can be put into the wardrobe from any dryer.
  • #821 18827074
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I was satisfied with my 5-year course, the more so because I gave almost a thousand zlotys less for my own. How much dryness did you have in a week or so?
  • #822 18827231
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Tadek_Maciejewski wrote:
    In the event of a heater failure, replacement costs PLN 300-400.
    For me, this heater is constructed using a heating coil, or actually two (power regulation). The cost of the heating coil itself is about PLN 20 and you can easily "wind" it yourself in the dryer radiator. It will probably be the same in yours.

    Tadek_Maciejewski wrote:
    The difference of PLN 100 per year in the price of electricity will never be amortized when the equipment is replaced every 3-4 years.
    From my experience, I doubt that this difference will be as much as PLN 100 a year.

    Tadek_Maciejewski wrote:
    I am just ordering a Bosch condenser with heater. Equipment price: PLN 1700.
    There are no cheaper ones on the market? A dryer without a heat pump has a structure reminiscent of a simple flail. You can buy the cheapest one, and it will work anyway :-)

    .
  • #823 18827306
    Tadek_Maciejewski
    Level 7  
    On average, I had 1-2 dryings a day (10-12 a week). It's not even that there were many or few of them - but that the hardware is non-repairable. I take Bosch, because I will recover the water pump from the old one (and maybe the engine). I would buy a Samsung / LG, but I did not find a condenser with a heater.
  • #824 18827661
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    In my opinion it is a very nice result, everything must eventually break down. With more standard use, I do not know any 4-5 washes a week would probably last for 8-9 years. Nevertheless, do not be surprised now that in the new one you will have 5 dryings a week because you will not be able to dry half of it in it ;)
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  • #825 18828042
    Tadek_Maciejewski
    Level 7  
    Whatever. Condensing without a heat pump will stand. Nor do I see any reasons why the same clothes cannot be dried in the new one, since they could be dried in the old one. As for the price - 1700 is a decent price for a new Bosch. AEG / Electrolux / Ariston is now cheaper - somehow I don't trust it. To beko too. I would buy an exhaust air duct but I don't have how to connect the pipes. So it was condensed without a pump. We will see. The equipment is already on the way.
  • #826 18828051
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Well, the difference is that the one that dries in 80 degrees, and the old one is dried in 50 ;)
  • #827 18828210
    Tadek_Maciejewski
    Level 7  
    Dorilll wrote:
    Well, the difference is that the one that dries in 80 degrees, and the old one is dried in 50 ;)


    Er, there. There is no need to panic. Bosch WTG86400PL, which I bought, dries cotton in 60C as standard. For comparison, the Siemens WT45W561PL with a heat pump, cotton is dried at either 60C, as the technical data says, or 55C (as the technical data says). Bosch only reaches 70C on some programs, so I don't care. People dry in heater coils and it is very good, nothing gets damaged. Heat pumps sit down like flies. Induction repair with a pump costs as much as a new device for a heater. In my opinion, it makes no sense to overpay.

    --- EDIT ---

    the first two drying behind me. From what I can see, the dryer (its casing) is very warm, the condensation was slightly warm. Of course it dries faster. A very big plus is the pull-out capacitor that can be cleaned normally. The device looks good, works and a new one under warranty costs as much as repairing the old one
  • #828 18857513
    internick
    Level 36  
    My spouse is reading about dryers, because we intend to buy it in August.
    She selected three models (all with a heat pump):
    - Bosch WTR87TW0PL (most of the equipment in the house of this company, the washing machine next to it, and a good size)
    - Samsung DV90M6200CW ("because it has an inverter motor")
    - Samsung DV90N62632W ("because it is smaller than the above mentioned and it has an inverter motor)
    I read this topic from the end and I do not see anyone recommending Samsung here due to the modern engine. Someone asks about the 62632 model and nobody answers him.
    This Bosch model is scrolling, but in another (Bosch WTY87783PL) someone complains about the shrinkage effect of clothes: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3615435.html
    I can see that there is a problem with the self-cleaning capacitor in Bosch and the fact that they are spinning in one direction.
    Can you advise something sensible?
  • #829 18859126
    Tadek_Maciejewski
    Level 7  
    Bosch is the same as Siemens. I had - I will not buy a second time with a heat pump. The inability to clean the exchanger is not a problem, but a serious design flaw, leading to the destruction of the dryer. As for Samsung, the handyman was not necessarily willing to recommend Samsung to me - he is like the others. So if you insist on getting one with a heat pump, just get one that looks nicer. It probably does not come for long, and in 4-5 years you will buy yourself a new one. That's it.
  • #830 18859264
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Tadek is right and the cheaper the better. I continue to defend my electrolux, several hundred dryings behind me and it walks like honey, raspberry. 5 other family members also have the same model and are delighted. I paid 2,400, but now a similar model for 2,000 is, if you are afraid, electrolux often has an offer to extend the warranty for 5 years ;)
  • #831 18864914
    internick
    Level 36  
    You didn't help, gentlemen :)
    I was more interested in explaining or, after the guarantee, rather setting up a basket like here: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3719612.html Is it possible to buy parts and revive.

    Such, e.g. comments from the store:
    Samsung DV90M6200: I've been struggling with cleaning the heat exchanger for over a year. This is a horror movie. Neither a soft brush nor a vacuum cleaner can do this. Only toothpicks remain. Once a week I get on my knees and get tired. Nightmare. I do not recommend.

    DV90M6200: Impossible to perform maintenance of the heat exchanger (that metal part, accessible by opening the small flap at the bottom of the dryer). The manual only mentions that the exchanger should only be gently vacuumed from time to time. Meanwhile, it quickly becomes overgrown with a thick layer of ever-moist dust, for which a vacuum cleaner will not help. Anyway, it is so deep that superficial vacuuming does not remove the dirt hidden further between the gills. If it could even be removed and washed, it wouldn't be a problem. It's just that it's built in permanently! What is left is time-consuming cleaning with a toothbrush and enormous nervousness, because every stronger movement may bend the thin and delicate plaques. Despite these measures, the red filter maintenance warning light flashes continuously anyway. Most users probably ignore it.

    Samsung DV90N62632: Overall drying is ok. But every few drying times you have to clean the filter at the bottom and it is inconvenient and tiring. You need a vacuum cleaner, etc. As far as the model is concerned, all this except this filter ... (maybe it's normal).

    Samsung DV90N62632: the only downside is a terrible filter idea. They are in the form of a booklet. Much difficult cleaning compared to Miele. Heat exchanger not removable. Also very difficult cleaning. Generally, apart from filters, a product worth recommending.

    Bosch WTR87TW0: cleaning the filter after each use is quite cumbersome. After switching on the light in the drum for a few seconds, but it is not possible to manually turn on the light during the cycle to check what is happening inside. Why is there light at all? ?

    Bosch: I just don't know how to make the drum light shine when the door is open. The instruction says that the knob is to be turned off and then darkness.

    Is it really tedious, difficult and time-consuming with these filters? Can they be cleaned with compressed air from a compressor? Is this an exaggeration and a wet cloth is enough? Do these filters change like in a lawn mower or a car? And what's with this light in Bosch? Does it work or not?
  • #832 18865121
    Borutka
    Level 29  
    internick wrote:
    You didn't help, gentlemen :)

    Buddy ... for example ... when you enter the German side of Bosch, you have 4 models of traditional dryers, and 18 models of heat pump dryers.
    What do people buy in the West ...? it is rather obvious.
    These people use it in the tens of millions of pieces, and it probably works somehow, sometimes for quite long years. So what's the problem? I believe that the important reason is indulging in the recommendations of the operating manual. That is, insufficiently clear drying circuit (extending working time, temperature increase) and permanently sticking fibers of fabrics not intended for drying. And when it gets a little clogged, then the problem is avalanche. One ill-considered drying can ultimately create problems. I have already seen the pre-filter with fabric fibers embedded in it. Such stuck fibers from the exchanger will be very difficult to remove, even mechanically.
    Also, unfortunately, a pump dryer requires attention and attention to detail. And this is generally its downside. And now the question ... how much is coming, how will I puff on it ...? I don't know, but mine is 3 years old and the exchanger is just clean. Another question ... is it worth it? It's worth it for me.
  • #833 18866055
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I bought a sponge filter in my own and now practically nothing gets dirty, I will vacuum it every 2 months, but there is not much there. I rinse Gabke every 2-3 weeks. As I did not have this additional filter, I cleaned it twice a month, but there were no stuck fabrics there, dry dust which was easily absorbed with a vacuum cleaner. I once read about Samsung that it is difficult to clean the exchanger because there is poor access, deeply hidden.

    Added after 7 [minutes]:

    Of course, I will add that the drought is everywhere and I have a dog and I don't have to say what is in the filter after drying the blanket from the lair ... ;)
  • #834 18866361
    Borutka
    Level 29  
    Dorilll wrote:
    I once read about Samsung that it is difficult to clean the exchanger because there is poor access, deeply hidden.

    It is possible that in Samsung the circulation in the exchanger itself is unfortunate or made.
    Based on my observations, I conclude that access to the exchanger does not matter much. During my operation, I tried to clean the exchanger once. I collected something from the top, after shining the flashlight deeper it is practically clean and that's about cleaning.
    Cleaning the filter after each use is an absolute must. This prevents the fluff temperature from increasing and the residual dirt from being pushed into the exchanger. Same channel and other filters as recommended. As I wrote, one or two shortcomings in this regard can trigger an avalanche of dirt.
    And of course we don't dry Chinese plastics. Once my wife threw on such a sweater and after such drying the pre-filter had to be replaced
  • #836 18868271
    Tadek_Maciejewski
    Level 7  
    First, be ready to be thrown out after warranty (sometimes a year, sometimes 2, sometimes 3). Repairing the heat pump is not profitable. Second: What you see when cleaning this Bosch is cleaning the filters only. If the heat exchanger becomes clogged - not removable - you have a chapel. Electricity will eat a lot, and it won't dry you. In dryers without a heat pump, the exchanger is removable - it can be rinsed in the shower (actually necessary, once every 2 weeks), and the dryers themselves are cheaper.
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  • #837 18870812
    maras77
    Level 21  
    Recently I decided to change my dryer with a heater to a heat pump.
    So the AEG T88840 class B went aside, and it was replaced by A ++ Electrolux EW8H458BP PerfectCare 800, a low model with an inverter (only they did not write, whether in the heat pump or in the fan and drum motor).

    Conclusions:
    Apart from the fact that 11 years ago the heater was the highest series (basket for shoes, wool, steam generator steaming), and the PC is average, the heater dries much faster. Yes, 1.5 times.


    I did the drying temperature tests by installing a thermometer in the exchanger chamber (i.e. the air that comes back from the laundry).
    In the heating element, cotton air is 80 degrees Celsius, and synthetic fabrics 75 degrees.

    In the heat pump, respectively 55 and below 40.
    There were more or less the same Kłaków.

    The question of shrinking cotton clothes after drying has become clear. Generally, we bought cotton clothes in a larger size, so that they would be just right after drying.
    Of course, sometimes they wrinkled badly, etc.
    I hope that the new dryer will not have this problem, because it was the only reason for the change on the PC.
  • #838 18870921
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Or the sleeves shortened by a few cm ... I know it from my own experience ;) I recommend you the mixed XL program, it is 6 kg and softer than cotton ;)
  • #839 18870951
    maras77
    Level 21  
    Dorilll wrote:
    Or the sleeves shortened by a few cm ... I know it from my own experience ;) I recommend you the mixed XL program, it is 6 kg and softer than cotton ;)


    This is exactly how I'm going to use this dryer. cotton - only towels, the rest are mixed XL.
    In this program, the thermometer at the exchanger showed that the temperature did not exceed 40 degrees.

    The shrinkage itself, as it is repeatable, is not a problem. Worse when you buy larger clothes and everything shrinks except the zipper. Unpleasant bends arise.
  • #840 18870979
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    You shouldn't shrink anything, nothing has ever happened to me. And the drought when everything flies. With the bedding dries on the bedding program And some delicate sweaters on wool ;)

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    And buy a sponge filter for the exchanger, always additional protection A costs pennies

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the comparison between Bosch's heat pump dryer model WTW85460PL and conventional condensing dryers. Users express concerns about the reliability and maintenance of heat pump dryers, citing high repair costs and potential breakdowns. Many recommend traditional condensing dryers for their simplicity and lower failure rates. The Bosch WTG86400PL is frequently mentioned as a reliable alternative. Users highlight the importance of energy efficiency, drying quality, and the impact of drying temperatures on clothing longevity. The conversation also touches on the practicality of self-cleaning condensers and the overall user experience with various brands and models.
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