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  • Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    Hello to all forum members.

    Phew how hot. ;-)

    Today I would like to present you my holiday construction, it has little to do with electronics, but I think it is an interesting solution for summer heat.

    Let's start from the beginning.

    The project was inspired by the topic of heating a garden pool described on the electrode portal.

    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2594299.html

    As my daughter likes to splash in the pool, I have been constantly pumping the pool for the summer for several years. As you know - kids like water very much and if it weren't for their parents, they probably wouldn't leave it from morning to evening, but let's get to the point.

    To begin with, I put the first pool I bought and inflated on polystyrene - first, so that the child would not sit in it directly on the ground, and second, so that the water would not cool down too quickly - it is always thermal insulation from the ground. After pouring the water (not much, the pool is about 150 cm in diameter, the water height is 10 cm, blue in the photos), I noticed that the water in such a pool is not warm at all after a whole sunny day and a longer session ended with a hoarse voice and a summer runny nose. At that time, I was already looking on the internet to solve this problem and I came across this topic on the electrode, the link to which I gave above. Of course, I began to wonder how to use this information for my purpose.

    Reading this topic, and it was just in the summer, I immediately decided to check how a simple solar collector can be made to heat the pool water.

    In a matter of minutes, I had my pool water heater initially set up, and it was supposed to work like this:

    As a heating element for the water, I used a garden hose, which I connected on one side to a 12V bilge pump. I immersed both the pump and the other end of the hose in the pool. I wrapped the snake in a circle so that it took up little space and covered it with a glass. Under the hose there is an underlay, such as is placed under the floor panels, it is always some kind of thermal insulation from the ground.

    I didn't buy anything, the preliminary design was made of the things I had at hand.

    The pump is powered by a battery and a solar battery connected in parallel to the battery - fast version without a charging regulator.

    Initial version - photo below.

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    And throughout the sunny and warm day, the water around 3 p.m. - 4 p.m. was as warm as for bathing in a tub.

    It motivated me to continue my work.
    At that time, I made a wooden frame, padded wooden boards on the bottom and wooden board, polystyrene is cut 5 cm thick on the felt, red sheet metal and a garden hose, all covered with glass. I also had all the materials and a few hours later the first water heating collector was built.

    Below are photos of the collector I did in 2014

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    As I was using the same manifold a year back, because unfortunately I had a short vacation and there was not enough time for anymodernizations, so this year I decided to make it from scratch - I invested a bit, but the effect is both visual and practical.

    I started working on the new collector at the beginning of June (after work - after hours).

    First, the purchase of planed boards, then something like a drawer was assembled from these boards - I also mounted four furniture handles so that the collector could be easily moved by two people.

    Dimensions are 104cm x 104cm - inside 100cm x 100cm

    Later painting with 4x primer and 3x yacht lacquers, of course at appropriate intervals.

    Then inside it is lined with 5 cm thick polystyrene - I put a black flat sheet on it and I put a new black garden hose - 50m 1/2 inch - as you can see in the first photo, 50 meters is a little bit, so I added a few more meters of green I had. The whole thing is covered with a glass, the black hose is the collector's entrance and the water from the pump is supplied there. The green one is the exit and runs under the polystyrene sheet and then returns to the pool. The glass rests on four boards on the sides and on the hose, lies evenly and is not too hot during operation, because the hose cools the temperature inside the collector on an ongoing basis. If it is not used, it is covered with, for the time being, a makeshift gumolite. I am currently making a cover, i.e. an OSB board with dimensions of 108 cm x 108 cm - covered with epoxy resin to make it resistant to weather conditions. There will be a sheet of metal on the outside, the same boards underneath as on the corners, so if you put it on the glass, it will fit.

    Here are some assembly photos.

    At the beginning, the "drawer" with handles:

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    In the next stage, varnishing, polystyrene and sheet metal:

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    It took a bit of work, but the effect is there - photos of the finished collector below:

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    And now some practical tips and measurements, I think everyone will be interested.

    As I mentioned before - the principle of operation is very simple - this time the submersible pump is connected directly to the solar battery and when the sun is out, the pump pumps water into the hose in the collector there, under the glass, the water in the hose heats up and the other end of the hose flows into the pool.

    At this point, I warn everyone who would like to do something like this before using a 230V pump. I am allergic to human thoughtlessness and I would not forgive myself if there was some kind of overvoltage when my child was sitting in the pool. I STRONGLY ADVISE against it, because it is associated with a potential threat to life.

    That's why I used a 12V submersible pump - used for camping - the pump takes about 1.6A from the battery, which givesabout 20W and with this power it can pump 10l / min, but it has a minus, namely it cannot work continuously, only probably a maximum of 10-15 minutes. In my system - a very simple one, the pump is powered directly from a 10W solar battery, so it works at half its power, thanks to which we gain the possibility of continuous operation and lower flow, which in our case is very beneficial.

    The connection method without any drivers also has its advantages: simple analog operation - the sun is on, the collector is warm; there is no sun, the collector does not heat up, the pump stops and the water circulation stops, which also helps to prevent the pump from unnecessarily giving hot water to the collector when the sun is behind the clouds.

    I also warn you against using a SMPS Made In China power supply for such a pump - I do not trust these Chinese products. God forbid such a power supply will get a breakdown and the electricity from the mains will go to the pump and to the water, and then you know what to do next.

    So far my solution is 100% safe, effective and ecological.

    As I mentioned earlier - in the collector with internal dimensions of 100cm x 100cm there is 50m of black hose and a few green ones, about 5m - as there is no high pressure in the hose, the hoses were pressed inside with a smaller one with a smaller thickness along the length of about 4 cm - the thinner hose that fits on the pump, just perfectly fits inside the half-inch hose. The temperature difference between inlet and outlet is from 3 degrees for cold water to 6 degrees for warm water.

    A few photos from inlet and outlet measurements.

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    You can see for yourself what the temperature difference is - at the moment I have this green pool with a diameter of 180 cm, the water height is 10 cm, so not so little water and the collector did very well, the temperature reached over 35 degrees, as you can see in the pictures above.

    And by the way, it was not without obstacles when pumping the pool - I must mention it, because recently I bought a small 12V car compressor for pumping pools, beach balls, wheels from bicycles and cars - just a revelation for less than PLN 20. I would like to add that it is a Chinese revelation, and I have a growing disgust with cheap Chinese products.

    Until now, I had a foot pump, but as you know - you have to pump a lot to inflate such a pool, so I bought this compressor - connected to the battery and started to pump - after about 5 minutes it got smoked and the compressor died - so I gave it back sooner to the market - they gave the money back without any problems.

    Photo of this miracle before self-ignition - I do not recommend it.

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    Well, I was left without a push-up, I was either leg pumping or ... you have to figure something out, and as I like to combine, I had another challenge.

    Fortunately, there was an old refrigerator in the garage - it is probably 40 years old, but after plugging in, a smile appeared on my face - it worked.

    40 minutes later it looked like this and was adapted to pumping the pool and more.

    Photo below.

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    After the season, the collector will be tucked against the wall inside the garage and it will be waiting for the next season. I have only one problem - how to effectively pump out the water for the winter here, because an unheated garage and water left in the hose at negative temperatures will lead to the hose bursting - maybe some ideas? I will be grateful for the hints.


    In case you had any questions, I'll be glad to help. I am waiting for comments, this is my seventeenth published project - please be understanding, I read the regulations and I think that I did everything in accordance with them.

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  • #2
    tomek.ch
    Level 12  
    Quote:
    I have only one problem, namely how to effectively pump out the water for the winter, because the garage is not heated and the water left in the hose at negative temperatures will lead to the hose bursting - maybe some ideas - I will be grateful for tips.


    Blow out with a compressor. That's what I do with garden hoses.

    Greetings.
  • #3
    prosiak_wej
    Level 38  
    The idea of heating the water is great, but to pump this pool it is a bit exaggerated to use a compressor. I would inflate it with my lungs in a few minutes (I am able to inflate such a large two-meter Intex plowing in less than 10 minutes). Well, but when I have a pontoon to inflate, I prefer to inflate with such a pump:

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    They are on Allegro for about PLN 40, but I found it about three years ago in a sports store in my city at an equally good price. Powered by a cigarette lighter or power adapter that is included.

    When there is enough air, I add the pressure with something like this:

    Solar collector - heating water in a small pool

    The same, but not Wehncke, but probably Bestway, I bought in the Carr ... ur market for also little money.

    I guarantee it will be much faster than the compressor from the refrigerator.

    As for pumping out the water from the hose - I suggest blowing air into it, e.g. from the aforementioned piston pump :) Maybe not all of it will flow out, but the remaining amount will not hurt at negative temperatures.
  • #4
    pawel1029384756
    Level 21  
    A very good idea, for me this water is even too hot, as it would heat it up perfectly to 25 degrees, but with a larger pool it will probably be like that.
    As for the compressor, the Chinese cars are a tragedy, and with such a pool, I would not just worry about my smoker's lungs and ready in a few minutes.
  • #5
    androot
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Will it not be the same as putting a black mat in the pool?
    In your solution, it would probably be better to paint these snakes with something black after arranging them. This black plate absorbs the most heat and does not give it 100% to water.
  • #6
    DJCheester
    Level 24  
    Hello

    Work work work I write back in the morning and after work in the afternoon, but the leave will be available soon from next week ;-) and rest.

    Returning to the topic, I thought to blow out, but whether the unit I have is not pumping air too slowly - this water in the hose will only probably bubble and it will end there, unless I am wrong. If I had a pressure tank for this, then it would be fine, I think.

    As for pumping with the unit, I think that it is okay, blowing 15 minutes and inflated, and now it will only be pumped up from time to time, and in 15 minutes in summer you can drink beer (cool), I do not have such good lungs and certainly not I could pump it up in 15 minutes. And besides, the aggregate was unused and now there is at least some use for it - it is in the cell and the bike can be inflated if necessary, somehow all my household members liked it very much ;-)

    What is the maximum temperature, of course, you can pour more water or simply turn off the collector and the measurements were carried out from morning to evening as long as the sun was out.

    Thanks to my friend "androot" for a great idea, I did not think to cover the bottom of the pool with a black mat, it is really simple and logical when I find it in the store, I will buy it and try it.

    Greetings to all ...
  • #7
    JanuszArtur
    Level 14  
    A great idea of using solar energy! At one time I wanted to make an air collector on a house with a forced circulation fan from a scrapped atx power supply.
    Coming back to the topic, due to a lack of knowledge, I have a question:
    according to which formula is the size of the radiator calculated depending on the flow and the amount of water to be heated?
    In other words: I have a swimming pool, e.g. 500 liters - how many such radiators do I have to build and at what speed should I run water to heat the water by e.g. 10 degrees for an hour (with full sun exposure)?
  • #10
    JanuszArtur
    Level 14  
    How do you know the power of a handmade pine box and garden hoses?
  • #11
    SylwekK
    Level 32  
    Exactly from this pattern given in the link :) An example based on my "heater" with an area of 40 m2 (roof), which heats 12.5 m3 of water in 1h (3600s) by an average of 1.6 degrees (depending on the weather from 1.5 to 2):

    P = (12.5 * 1.6 * 4189) / 3600 = 23kW

    So my roof with an area of 40m2 is a heater of about 23kW. Calculate the same for the self-made. Without tests with a watch and a thermometer, it will not work ... although it is possible to calculate all this on foot, but that's not to ask me :)
  • #12
    metalMANiu
    Level 20  
    I would use a simpler approach to calculate the current power of the device.
    You just need to know the inlet and outlet water temperature difference and the average flow.
    The author of the topic wrote that on a sunny day the temperature difference is 6 ° C and the flow at full power is approx. 10 l / min. The power is halved so let's assume the flow is 4 l / min.
    It is known that 4190 J of energy is needed to heat a liter of water by one degree. Since 4 liters of water is heated by 6 ° C per minute, the power is:
    P = SpecificHeatWater * Vwater * ?T / t
    P = 4190 * 4 * 6 / 60?1680 [J / (kg * K) * kg * K / s = J / s = W]

    The device has an area of 1 m?, so the calculated power is definitely greater than it actually is. More precise measurements would have to be made to estimate the real power.

    Greetings!
  • #14
    leonow32
    Level 30  
    Why did you roll the snake up in a circle? Uncle once made a similar construction from pipes and did it in a zigzag and made better use of the collector surface, which is rectangular after all.
  • #15
    Andrzej Ch.
    Level 32  
    I would love to take it. It will be useful to me in the project.
    Info on PW
  • #16
    idepopizze
    Level 33  
    As for those concerns about the freezing of the water in your hose, I don't think you worry about it unnecessarily. My neighbor has a plumbing led outside the house in plastic pipes (for watering the garden, etc.) and it has infected him many times for years and nothing is happening to the plastic pipes.

    I see another inconvenience here.
    The water you heat up with a hose doesn't smell like plastic?
  • #17
    DJCheester
    Level 24  
    Hello

    One by one I will try to answer everyone who added something to the topic

    Buddy "JanuszArtur", please see my topics and constructions, you will find a lot of electronic devices powered by solar energy. I like this method of power supply because it costs nothing, apart from the costs that are incurred during the construction, as for the calculations, I have no idea how it counts, but I can see that my colleagues from the forum, they answered your question precisely, I was constructing rather in the dark, so there was a trial version which gave a good effect, so then I started to construct better and nicer - planed boards so that the splinters would not enter the handles for easy transport, etc., the effect satisfies me and that is what counts of course, you can do it instead of a hose, for example, on a copper coil painted black, it will certainly have a better effect, but you have to take into account the price of 55 meters of copper coil will cost a little.

    My friend "Filip Darkowski" I watched the movie, but as I wrote in the topic, I am allergic to human thoughtlessness and it is extremely dangerous - the possibility of burns - I certainly do not recommend the method with children, especially small ones, the idea itself is not stupid as old is the central heating .

    Buddy "SylwekK" You are cool dude something like that is also cool but once I don't have such a roof area and the other thing is you have a big pool and I have a small one so I didn't need a big gun like yours so I did something similar but in a version mini, but I was the first to find your idea on the net on an electrode and on this basis ideas for my project were born. Respect and thanks for the material you shared.

    Buddy "leonow32" the snake coiled in a circle because after such a coiling it takes up as little space as possible and with a zigzag there is a possibility of the snake collapsing.

    Buddy, "idepopizze", I have no experience - so far in the previous version I simply pulled the hose from the collector and pumped the water out by hand by lifting it in pieces for the winter, but in this project I want the hose not to be removed and remain in the collector permanently, as to the fact that the water stinks I did not notice water is changed every day in the morning if it is hot and my daughter is going to bathe, the water is not so hot again, it is about 30 degrees in the pictures there were tests so I gave the full day to the max.

    I greet everyone and thank you for participating in the discussion, and I cordially invite you to post further comments and possibly your projects or proposals ...
  • #18
    SylwekK
    Level 32  
    DJCheester wrote:
    Buddy "SylwekK" You are cool dude something like that is also cool but once I don't have such a roof area and the other thing is you have a big pool and I have a small one so I didn't need a big gun like yours so I did something similar but in a version mini, but I was the first to find your idea on the net on an electrode and on this basis ideas for my project were born. Respect and thanks for the material you shared.


    No, for a swimming pool like yours, it would be a pity to play on the roof heating :) In general, I like the idea of using the energy that surrounds us and what you have done is sufficiently fulfilling its task and for this "+" the more that everything was at hand and the costs were low. The joy of a child babbling in "soup" - priceless :)
  • #19
    kmr
    Level 18  
    Perhaps a certain convenience for emptying the collector would be a construction consisting in forming a spiral from a hose on a cone of low height. Then, after disassembly, it would empty itself.

    In my construction based on panel heaters (DHW heating), I noticed the degradation of polystyrene behind the panel after 3 years. For this reason, after modernization, they are on mineral wool. This could be due to a lack of protection against UV rays.
  • #20
    przemo2147
    Level 12  
    Hello

    It seems to me that gravity is enough to empty the collector, the collector is set at a height of e.g. 2 meters, a short piece of black hose should be left unconnected, the green section of the hose should reach the ground, connect to the running water when the black hose is running, disconnect the green hose and leave it for a moment until the whole hose flies out water from a hose
  • #21
    ketch
    Level 12  
    I see no one mentioned pumping the pool with the vacuum cleaner exhaust air, I do and recommend it.
  • #22
    prosiak_wej
    Level 38  
    ketch wrote:
    I see no one mentioned pumping the pool with the vacuum cleaner exhaust air, I do and recommend it.


    I believe that few of the vacuum cleaners on sale today have an exhaust air connection? Old Zelmers or Czajki had it and it was not surprising. Mattresses were pumped with a vacuum cleaner, after all.
  • #23
    ketch
    Level 12  
    In my case, the possibility of connecting a hose to a vacuum cleaner on the other hand appeared after removing the final air filter.
  • #24
    DJCheester
    Level 24  
    Hello

    Yesterday I changed the water - I solved the problem with pumping - I connected the air from the aggregate to the outlet and pumped the air until the pump immersed in the pool did not go air - the water was completely pumped out - so the problem will be solved for the future.

    As for pumping with a vacuum cleaner, the problem is the fastening, I also made a pump from the aggregate and it will be useful for reproof.

    Today it promises to be splashing water changed clean - pure pleasure.

    Greetings ....
  • #25
    AdamC
    Level 28  
    DJCheester wrote:

    At this point, I warn everyone who would like to do something like this before using a 230V pump. I am allergic to human thoughtlessness and I would not forgive myself if there was some kind of overvoltage when my child was sitting in the pool. I STRONGLY ADVISE THAT, because it is associated with a potential threat to life.

    I also warn you against using a SMPS Made In China power supply for such a pump - I do not trust these Chinese products. God forbid such a power supply will get a breakdown and the electricity from the mains will go to the pump and to the water, and then you know what to do next.


    If someone uses a 230V power supply, it is obligatory to use a switch
    residual current device, it provides protection against electric shock.
    Elements of the electrical installation should have a protection factor of IP67 (even better IP68)
  • #26
    marcino2000
    Level 24  
    Do not pump the pool with a compressor from the refrigerator. Spits oil that reacts with the rubber.
  • #27
    DJCheester
    Level 24  
    Hello

    I used to have a power unit that was spitting oil - so far I have not noticed a drop, when removing the tip I always check if it is wet, but so far there has been no such situation.

    Greetings ....
  • #28
    jamtex
    Level 23  
    I used 2 radiators to heat the water in the pool :)
    Cheaply bought, painted black, low water flow and heated really well.
  • #29
    DJCheester
    Level 24  
    Hello

    Two radiators are also a good idea and tell me how did you force the circulation of water in the radiators - pump or gravity circulation as with the efficiency of such a circulation ??

    Greetings ...
  • #30
    jamtex
    Level 23  
    A pump, but really with slow circulation, it can heat well :)