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  • #31 18638406
    Peewe
    Level 12  
    Hello,
    I have a case that there was a small accident in the front of my father's car.
    Adblue leaked out of the workshop. Front tube. Here's a photo of what it looks like:
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/ccwCA42hH7B4mV2f8

    Unfortunately, the adblue error does not disappear after completion.
    Do you have any experience what could be damaged in the adblue system?
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  • #32 18638496
    glapsson
    Electronics specialist  
    Replace the tube as it is leaking
    after turning the ignition on, the system must maintain a constant pressure of about 6 bar in this pipe.
    If there is a leak, the pressure drops ... so the system generates an error.
    As mentioned, there is no leakage
    add liquid
    if the system does not see the refill, add fluid.
    Perform all tests, including bleeding, preferably
    It should work
  • #33 18638505
    16czarny16
    Level 14  
    This is not an Adblue injector. The injector is stuck. Replace and everything will be ok.
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  • #34 18638541
    glapsson
    Electronics specialist  
    How did you get the bell in the front, how do you think ... the plastic tube is saved and the injector made of strong steel has broken?
    I don't think you read what the author wrote at all, you just beat posts.
    the author wrote "front tube"
    In the photo it can only be seen that urea has crystallized ... so there is leakage and from which it is easy to determine - connect the diagbox and perform the test and then replace.
    These are not cheap things so it is better to know what is flowing and not to exchange.
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  • #35 18638650
    Peewe
    Level 12  
    The problem is that I had access to the car, the father of the car user is at odds with smartphones and electronics.
    I can't rummage by the car. When collecting the car from the workshop, it was not viewed (they viewed it more from the outside), and the 'adblue' lamp came on 1 day after leaving the workshop. It's just that the car in the workshop stood for 3 weeks ... whether it was leaking at that time, or only when it was picked up - I don't know.
    Even if it leaked, they could wash it. Although it seems to me that there must be a valve that only when the engine starts to give these adblue.
    Before I go to the workshop, I prefer to research the topic so as not to hear that the pump needs to be replaced because the adblue has leaked and is seized ... and then you will see what else ... because maybe the injector, sensor or actually a catalyst, etc. It could have been, that the leak occurred as he waited for repair, the workshop did his work but did not inform about refilling the adblue. Anyway, since the photo was taken, I know the leak is still there. Flooded adblue leaks constantly.
    I assume the tube is damaged, leakage through the tube. It's just that at this point after refilling I hoped that the error would disappear. He stayed.
    Unfortunately, I do not have a Diagbox / computer to connect and delete immediately.
    That is why I prefer to study the topic calmly.
  • #36 18639221
    glapsson
    Electronics specialist  
    Unfortunately, nobody will answer your questions remotely
    Because you don't describe the extent of the "bell"
    And as you describe yourself, you don't know much about it and you don't know what and how ...
    There is nothing to scare but the tube (short motor part with elbow and quick coupling) very likely replacement (about PLN 350) (here you can not glue or weld anything too high working pressure for this the hoses are heated with the continuity of the hose in the middle)
    Adblue injector about PLN 400 if skewed or torn off electrical connector - probably for replacement
    If the whole cable is stiff, you can expect it to be OK - it is made of mega hard material and you need a lot of strength to skew it)
    An adblue tank with a pump - damage is also likely - with a sudden stop a certain amount of fluid in the tank due to rapid displacement can lead to damage.

    Unfortunately, but only computer tests and visual inspection of leaks can give a factual answer.

    For a few cars with a bell from the front that I had to do:
    1 pcs injection tube tank
    3 pcs tube alone
    6 pcs tube and injection

    As for the fierce pump itself .... I have not encountered such a defect
    cars were imported bought after several months of parking - the repair itself also took a long time and there were no problems with the pumps.
    All repairs concerned typically mechanical defects resulting from collisions.
  • #37 18642277
    kukiz100
    Level 14  
    I have a similar problem with AdBlue in C4 Grand Picasso - error P20E8 00 (incorrect AdBlue pressure)
    Initially, this was manifested by temporary lighting of the "Urea" lamp and associated errors (incorrect voltage from the fuel sensor and voltage error of the Eloys add-in controller).
    After forcing the DiagBox pressure test it turned out that it is 6 bar, so I suspected that it was a problem with momentary voltage dips, driver hangs or lack of driver software update (in some cars it is required).
    At the moment, the P20E8 error is permanent, I am not able to do pressure tests - most likely, I will have to replace the tank.
    techkon wrote:
    Let it not be that I am such a great negotiator ... Citroen itself offers that ASO serviced cars under the age of 5 and 150 thousand are covered by the "warranty"

    Have you serviced your car only at an Authorized Service Center? I was told today in the Dealership that because not all the annual reviews were carried out at their premises, I cannot count on the gracious look of Citroen Polska on my case.
  • #38 18642483
    melas
    Level 31  
    Recently I repaired such a system in the boxer. The whole system dismantled all electrical components checked, the system is blown, folded and works. And the error was with the urea pressure in the system.
  • #39 18643200
    kukiz100
    Level 14  
    Can you write something more as you checked everything in turn? Did you check the pressure lines for the compressor? How did you diagnose that the pump and tank were functional? I wonder if this error can pop up if the contacts at the AdBlue tank are tarnished, or maybe then the computer will show another error
  • #40 18646745
    melas
    Level 31  
    All items to check the pump shortly after disconnection from the electronics of course. All heaters with a meter are enough. The most important are the nozzles controlled low frequency PWM and blown through the compressor until the air passes nicely from the other side. At the end of the venting procedure for filling the system then you can see that the electronics are alive.
  • #41 18660493
    tm3ch7
    Level 1  
    Unscrew the cap, add adblue, fill up fuel = problem solved.
    From time to time, unscrew the adblue cap to vent the tank.
  • #42 18675126
    tokorn
    Level 1  
    Hello all
    finally found a topic with my problem: p
    I have a c4 grand picasso 2.0 150km diesel from 2016. I bought some 3 months ago. mileage of 86 thousand
    3 alerts recently popped up: urea, service and engine
    after driving about 50km additionally information about blocking the ignition after 1100km
    the first thing I did was 5l adblue. (the cork was not sucked in, the liquid was still there; 5,000 km)
    I went to my mechanic. he has detected too low pressure in 4bary instead of 6. unfortunately, his software does not allow him to make a deeper diagnosis (he can not upload the program update, but he will fight it :) )
    he told me, however, that this is probably the malfunction of the adblue pump that needs to be replaced with the tank. cost of parts only PLN 3 854
    I trust my mechanic, but he admits that his electrical equipment is a bit too old for my car. will try to upload updates and we will try again.
    the errors were obviously cleared, but after about 10 km they appeared again, without counting the ignition block for now.
    However, before he decides to deprive his wallet of several thousand zlotys, has anyone managed to solve such a problem without having to replace the tank? (and without cutting out the whole dpf, fap ... this is my first diesel and I just don't know it so sorry if I mix something)
    Or maybe you know some lemon magician? I live in Rumia Pomorskie
  • #43 18685765
    sebneo
    Level 11  
    Hi
    I have a similar problem, but in the Peugeot 508SW 2.0BlueHDI 150KM 2016,

    after visiting ASO - it was found necessary to replace the tank, cost PLN 4.5k

    on Friday, he puts the car in for service, not an ASO for diagnostics

    I will share information after all
  • #44 18691464
    Zeneklubega
    Level 2  
    Hello, I have the same car in my lemon from 17r 1.6 BLUEHDI 50,000 mileage from what I read at one of my colleagues exchanged the pump on the site the cost of labor I decided to fight and advertise the tank we will see.
    As for winning a new program in my case, unfortunately, it did not do anything after visiting the ASO only the recommendation to replace the tank cost 4.5k disaster in one word
  • #45 18692114
    techkon
    Level 8  
    Quote:
    Zeneklubega wrote:

    As for winning a new program in my case, unfortunately, it did not do anything after visiting the ASO only the recommendation to replace the tank cost 4.5k disaster in one word


    When you received the car after ASO diagnostics, you should say about a simple conclusion. My car is 3 years old, only 50 thousand km and why I have to replace at my expense a part that I can not control - in this car even the refueling ad blue requires connecting a computer.
  • #46 18694361
    LeonMP
    Level 12  
    Question to colleague glapsson. Collision partner. During repair, the AdBlue tube behind the engine disconnected. Re-connected. Urea supplemented. After a few kilometers the Urea indicator and the triangle. Error P20E8 00 - Incorrect AdBlue pressure. I understand it, airing. DiagBox shows 4.00 bar. How to bleed the system? OKAY. I disconnected the hose from the NOX injector. I forced pressure with DiagBox. But there is aunt. Weak pressure. If it is to be 6 bar, then what flies out is certainly below this pressure. Damaged AdBlue pump?
  • #47 18709300
    Zeneklubega
    Level 2  
    And unfortunately I had it myself, the ASO only insists on replacing the tank
    I found one Citroen service in Warsaw, which offered me tank repair, price around PLN 1,200.
    Today I picked up the car, so far everything is fine I do not want to annoy, I hope that the repair proves to be a success in the fight against these tanks. The gentleman from the site assured that it is worth fixing it and not the first car that already
    repaired, but strongly advised against turning off the adblue system in the car, because after some time it is a huge problem. everything will be in the right order and most importantly the repair is covered by a warranty.
    And the cost compared to the price of the tank acceptable.
  • #48 18749187
    dobretlumaczenia
    Level 2  
    I have a similar problem in Berlino II. 1.6 AdblueHDI. Man. Year 2015. Mileage 81000. The UREA lamp and engine icon came on and information about the kilometer limit appeared. I added full liquid but nothing has changed. In the salon they said that it could cost up to 5000 PLN. In general, the topic in these cars has been known for years and it continues to appear. This may qualify for UOKiK as a collective violation of clients' interests. I will probably report on this matter.
  • #49 18775679
    Gutek1512
    Level 20  
    I pump in partner 1.6 of 2015 fell after a year. Of course, listed under warranty. The car, however, stood on the site for over three weeks, then they searched for what is the problem. Action with traffic did not affect me, unless they exchanged in 2016. At the weekend I came back from the Netherlands and again the problem of urea and engine followed. The fact that I live in Germany now forces me to look for a solution here. Tomorrow I'm going for diagnostics, if the pump a second time, I drove about 50,000 on this one. I suspect then that I will judge them for stupid cork. Because the car in 2018 when the campaign was flying just lost its guarantee. They didn't even inform, and maybe my model didn't get caught. Time will show you in the grass squeaks. I hope it may be that I didn't reset adblue and topped up on the station two months ago.
  • #50 18775737
    dobretlumaczenia
    Level 2  
    I am repaired. Earlier, seeing that I was in danger of getting even 6,000 out of my pocket, I immediately contacted a UOKiK lawyer and informed Citroen Service about it. The next day, they found that the probe was damaged - cost PLN 1,200 gross, together with the inspection, PLN 1,400 gross. They give a year warranty. This is my fourth French car but it's over. Next year I'm buying two new ones, but I don't know what yet. After this action I will not go into the same.
  • #51 18775885
    Gutek1512
    Level 20  
    Mine is the fifth peugeot, all in oil, but the last. As I took it was supposed to be such an American economical ecological. Only at the expense of my pocket. There is a tear in my eye when I remember my first clatter without miscarried electronics.
    Something interesting uokik mentioned when you reported that you were sold a car with such a defect?
  • #52 18787658
    FreddieManson
    Level 10  
    Did someone manage to solve the problem with returning P20F6 00 error without having to replace the tank?
    I have Citroen DS4 1.6 blueHdi 120km DV6FC with mileage of 65 thousand from 2015. About 400km below the house, the check engine caught fire - with an error P20F6, which indicates the leakage of adblue and P3053, which means too high pressure in the AdBlue system (I read more than 6.5 Bar from the frame). I looked at the car underneath, I did not notice any crystals or leakage of this factor. The site visit will probably end with a tank change - which I would like to avoid. The pressure in the error frame indicates 6.5 bar. Error cleared three times, adblue filler cap, from what I read on the forums is the "corrected" one.
    I will try to add full adblue today and do the procedure from the first post. Unless there are other causes for high blood pressure?

    After adding Adblue and making all possible adaptations.
    The pressure tests go out ok once, the second time "Problem encountered during the test, Bringing the indicator - urea pump to incorrect pressure module".
    Venting test result - "Damage, venting too fast".
    Performance test - "Insufficient engine speed conditions".

    I was able to catch information about denox 1 pressure 6.4, when the system does not feed urea, it is 4,000 (as much as when turned off ".

    Tomorrow I will do an injection test of the injector itself, it looks like it hangs and does not release pressure.

    Is it possible to clean the injector?
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  • #53 18788772
    melas
    Level 31  
    It is possible to control it with a low frequency pwm signal. And I also blew through the compressor.
  • #54 18844755
    Zenek210
    Level 2  
    Hello, I have the same case as you described in the posts in the 2015 Peugeot 508 car, 150km, I suspect that these tanks are one-shot on purpose, like the sensors, for example; nox etc ,,, they break down after driving from 150,000 kilometers they are made so that no spells will help anything, I checked all the controls are deleted but after a few kilometers when the car warms up, the urea / check engine indicator pops up - service in some cases after driving 300 km or 700 km all this is related to each other and one of the two interferes in my case as I was returning from the route, the same inscription popped out for 1200 km, it will block the engine, etc. ,,, I had 160 km home so I thought that I would not get enough of that, the hydraulic clutch actuator got out and the pedal dropped I had no way to put a gear, fortunately, 5km from home, I somehow got there / the problem is that there is no normal message, as the indicator is displayed, should write add adblue liquid and everyone would know what I was talking about, I thought it was related to with a lamda probe with a nox sensor, I would refuel adblue on the way and maybe I would not have this problem and so the costs multiplied you can allow the fluid to be below 4 liters, because when the light comes on, the tank will be replaced and I suspect that all cars from 2014 have similar problems, unfortunately, the producers set up for profits so that you will buy a practically new 3-5-year-old car already below PLN 50,000 if you spend 10 thousand or more on parts, it depends on who does how many kilometers a year, I read that by 2008 car manufacturers installed 500 million nox sensors and already in 2016 over a billion, so they do the money count a billion times e.g. 1 thousand = ................ of course, the older the car is, the parts are cheaper, ending the clutch clutch, it cost me PLN 1200 with labor nox sensor PLN 1000 with labor and I have to replace the entire tank because it is intentionally made cost 2900 tank + labor for the day 29-07-2020 before that, I poured adblue to the top and the fuel tank. over 5,000 kilometers but the controls continue to pop up, but it does not count the kilometers that it blocks the engine, the pump does not suck, but again there is no error in the messages about the pressure pump ----- be wise and write the lines ---- in each car you need to familiarize yourself what a given indicator means because as it turns out, one indicator has 3-4 markings, it depends on the car, if someone knows something about the pressure of the pump in the tank, can I do it somehow? some magic, mary, please write in advance thank you, PS: I'm not a mechanic
  • #55 18845066
    kowalex
    Level 10  
    Well, I see that it is done as a standard :-) Me with Peugeot Tepee 1.6 .... 2016 and ... the Ad Blue has just come out. Apparently, I have to replace the entire complete tank, the price of the part itself is over 4,000! Driven 115 thousand and already such a repair? ... Tomorrow I will go to the ASO, we'll see what they say. I have 100 km left to block the engine ... Something is up, because for it to be ecological, it should be economical. In fact, it turns out that many users try to turn it off in some more or less normal way and ... you can see even here that, unfortunately, it is happening. I only wonder that the producers and ASO deliberately avoid this topic, burdening the customer with 100% costs ... I do not like it, but well .. Any ideas? Someone previously wrote that connecting the computer helps, and in fact, when they connected the car (not in ASO), all the lights went out, but in about 70 km messages and lights appeared again ... but the truth is that I have 1100km again ... and already it was close to zero :-)
    Unstable, apparently no one even regenerates it, only to replace the complete tank with the pump and God knows what else. Over 4,000 parts + replacement + settings ... that's about 15% of the car's value! I guess that's irrelevant ... I'm pissed off, and it's cruel to those French cars! :-)
  • #56 18856308
    nottech
    Level 9  
    Hello,
    I also have a problem with the UREA control. Today I quickly added 4l of adblue, but the indicator did not go out. I don't know if it's not too little for the computer to detect it. After driving about 30 km, it still shows me the message that there are 2400 km left until the engine stops. Do these data on the range of the car to start the engine decrease on a regular basis or by what, for example, 50 or 100 km?
  • #57 18856522
    melas
    Level 31  
    They will decrease when it comes to zero, the car will not turn off while driving, but when you turn it off, it will not start anymore.
  • #58 18856564
    Zenek210
    Level 2  
    nottech wrote:
    Hello,
    I also have a problem with the UREA control. Today I quickly added 4l of adblue, but the indicator did not go out. I don't know if it's not too little for the computer to detect it. After driving about 30 km, it still shows me the message that there are 2400 km left until the engine stops. Do these data on the range of the car to start the engine decrease on a regular basis or by what, for example, 50 or 100 km?



    for me it was getting smaller every 100km of adblue you have to fill the cork and fill the fuel tank at least 3/4 probably the pump in the tank is not giving adblue but it is rather getting ready to replace the entire tank with me it was similar after replacing the tank everything is back to normal car manufacturers are now earning more the parts can also be replaced

    Added after 9 [minutes]:

    Zenek210 wrote:
    Hello, I have the same case as you described in the posts in the 2015 Peugeot 508 car, 150km, I suspect that these tanks are one-shot on purpose, like the sensors, for example; nox etc ,,, they break down after driving from 150,000 kilometers they are made so that no spells will help anything, I checked all the checks are deleted but after a few kilometers when the car warms up, the urea / check engine indicator pops up - service in some cases after driving 300 km or 700 km all this is related to each other and the second one interferes with in my case when I was returning from the route, the same inscription popped out for 1200 km, it will block the engine, etc. ,,, I had 160 km home so I thought that I would not get there, the hydraulic clutch actuator got out and the pedal dropped I had no way to put a gear, fortunately, 5km from home, I somehow got there / the problem is that there is no normal message, as the indicator is displayed, should write adblue liquid and everyone would know what I was talking about, an exhaust purifier I thought it was related to with a lamda probe with a nox sensor so that I would refuel adblue on the way and maybe I would not have this problem and so the costs multiplied you can allow the fluid to be below 4 liters, because when the light comes on, the tank will be replaced and I suspect that all cars from 2014 have similar problems, unfortunately, the producers set up for profits so that you will buy a practically new 3-5-year-old car already below PLN 50,000 if you spend 10 thousand or more, it depends on who does how many kilometers a year, I read that by 2008, car manufacturers installed 500 million nox sensors and already in 2016 over a billion, so they do the money count a billion times, e.g.; 1 thousand = ................ of course, the older the car is, the parts are cheaper, ending the clutch clutch, it cost me PLN 1200 with labor nox sensor PLN 1000 with labor and I have to replace the entire tank because it is intentionally made cost 2900 tank + labor for the day 29-07-2020 before that, I poured the adblue full and the fuel tank. over 5,000 kilometers but the controls continue to pop up, but it does not count the kilometers that it blocks the engine, the pump does not suck, but again there is no error in the messages about the pump with pressure----- be wise and write poems ---- in every car you need to know what a given light means because as it turns out, one indicator has 3-4 markings depending on the car, if someone knows something about the pressure of the pump in the tank or what I would like to set it up somehow, Mary, please write in advance, thank you, PS: I'm not a mechanic


    AFTER THE TANK CHANGE, EVERYTHING IS BACK TO NORMAL, THERE IS NOW OK

    Added after 8 [minutes]:

    Zeneklubega wrote:
    Hello, in my lemon I have the same car with 17 1.6 BLUEHDI 50,000 mileage from what I read in one of my colleagues, they replaced the pump for him on the site, labor cost I decided to fight and advertise the tank, we'll see.
    As for winning a new program, in my case it did not do anything, unfortunately, after visiting the Dealership, only a recommendation to replace the tank, cost 4.5k, a disaster in one word

    I used to read art on the net. that even if you bought a car from someone else, you are the second owner, it is still subject to the warranty because the car is up to 5 years old and less than 150,000 km, write to the Ombudsman or uoka and call the headquarters of Peugeot or a lemon
  • #59 18866101
    mkmarcela
    Level 2  
    Hello. After replenishing adblue, the urea light disappeared and the engine light remained, the interface does not detect an error, what can it be?
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around issues related to the AdBlue system in Peugeot and Citroen vehicles, particularly focusing on the UREA warning light activation and persistent error codes such as P20E8 and P20EE. Users report various symptoms including engine immobilization warnings, low pressure errors, and the need for AdBlue refills despite having filled the tank. Solutions discussed include replacing the AdBlue tank and pump, using diagnostic tools like DiagBox for error clearing, and adding additives like TUNAP 986 to prevent crystallization. Many users express frustration with the high costs of repairs at authorized service centers and share experiences of recurring issues even after replacements. The conversation highlights the importance of proper diagnostics and the potential for DIY repairs or alternative service options.
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