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Clock with VFD display IVL1-7/5 based on KR145IK1911 and DS32kHz

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TL;DR

  • Built a VFD clock using the IVL1-7/5 display and the Soviet KR145IK1911 clock IC in a 40-DIP package.
  • The design uses a universal PCB, the original power board, a -27V supply, and a 5V filament winding with a center tap.
  • A DS32kHz TCXO replaced the 32.768kHz quartz oscillator after the original two 20pF capacitors and trimmer still missed the needed accuracy.
  • Powered through a UL75P05 regulator at 5V, the DS32kHz achieved about +0.03 seconds/day over three months and 6 seconds drift after a year.
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  • #31 20264869
    mkpoz
    Level 11  
    sundayman wrote:
    I bought a Soviet Elektronika 6.15 watch for gutting at a price lower than the display itself on Ebay. Of course, the display will be used, but if you get a used copy, it's not a problem.


    I also have my display from Soviet Electronics, I bought a broken clock for pennies on a well-known auction site ;)
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  • #32 20265830
    slawekgaj3
    Level 11  
    Good day.
    I think that a similar integrated circuit of Soviet production, containing in its structure all (almost) elements allowing to build a clock on VFD displays, is KA1016HŁ1 ( ??1016??1 ). I made a clock on it once, it even works fine. Its shape and housing are characteristic, the Russians often produced such "inventions". In the past, such circuits were available in some electronic stores, I bought mine in Częstochowa during my studies, but it was centuries ago. I still have a few pieces...
    Clock with VFD display IVL1-7/5 based on KR145IK1911 and DS32kHz
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  • #33 20265918
    szybki105
    Level 17  
    If anyone wants to risk buying a damaged Russian clock on the chip kr145ik1901 and a large VFD, it is on sale. Unfortunately, the condition of the components is unknown. The transformer is missing. Search under "Large clock display IŁCZ4-5/7 with electronics"
  • #34 20266992
    sundayman
    Level 26  
    Quote:
    he wanted to take a chance


    Well, you did. If it works, I'll have a set for 2 clocks.
    One for myself, the other for a gift.

    If only I had some more time to do it :)
  • #35 20267753
    mkpoz
    Level 11  
    I'm glad my article got so many responses :)

    And above all, he encouraged the construction of more clocks :)
  • #36 20268576
    sundayman
    Level 26  
    Quote:
    encouraged the construction of more clocks


    You could say that a friend impregnated a few people with his creation :)
    This will probably affect the market for these VFD displays.

    Seriously - if someday, someday I will find time to make this contraption, I will also boast about it, because I have a slightly different idea. But I won't tell, I won't tell.
  • #37 20269452
    jaeger
    Level 14  
    TechEkspert wrote:
    @pawelr98 what modern IC control stages would be a good bridge between a microcontroller and 30V anode voltage?


    Perhaps one of the ULN2001, ULN2002, ULN2003, ULN2004 systems will work here
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  • #38 20270243
    sundayman
    Level 26  
    I got this clock from Allegro, which a friend persuaded me to buy fast105 .
    I will tell you that after disassembling I was surprised by its performance, so I will show it to you.

    As you can see in the pictures, it is like a normal ELECTRONIC type clock on the KP145NK1901. On the one hand, there is a PCB display with something like microswitches in the form of plates, and on the other, the rest of the components.

    But the PCB is very thin. About 0.2mm and looks like some historical "flex pcb". It is also quite flexible - it can be bent easily. But of course, without exaggeration, because as you can see, the elements are soldered normally - they are threaded and if the bend is too strong, it will probably disconnect.

    It looks funny.

    In a few places you can see traces of thermoglue - so someone has already "repaired it".
    There are 3 cut power wires coming out of the pcb. I haven't connected it yet, so I don't know if it works or not - I also need to improve the connections a bit, especially with the processor, because they don't look very special.

    Film capacitors also look like they have been lying for 100 years and a little fear to connect it. Well, if I find a moment, I'll check it, although of course I'm most interested in the state of the display.

    Clock with VFD display IVL1-7/5 based on KR145IK1911 and DS32kHz

    Clock with VFD display IVL1-7/5 based on KR145IK1911 and DS32kHz

    Clock with VFD display IVL1-7/5 based on KR145IK1911 and DS32kHz

    I have no idea why this laminate was used. The design was enclosed in a normal plastic housing, so I don't really see the justification.
    Those dire quality "micro switches" sure worked even worse because of the flexibility of the PCB.

    Was it to save the production with the laminate they had left, because it wasn't very good for anything at that time?
  • #39 20270423
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    But VFD and layout captured :) apart from the capacitors, I see 2 elements characteristic of Russian constructions,
    a piezo plate in a housing that was used in watches, electronic games and rocket launcher controllers,
    and a quartz resonator in a boat-shaped housing with a drop of tin.

    As for the name, most of the equipment was called ELECTRONICS, sometimes receivers were called ??????.
  • #40 20270981
    kris8888
    Level 40  
    The VFD probably has a broken upper filament, unless the photo is misleading.
    And the laminate, well, as befits Soviet consumer products. Cheap and whatever.
    These Soviet quartz resonators are also not the best, after years they either do not want to generate at all or show a very large aging effect (deviation from the nominal frequency).
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  • #41 20271921
    Gizmoń
    Level 28  
    TechEkspert wrote:
    As for the name, most of the equipment was called ELECTRONICS, sometimes the receivers were called ??????.


    In Poland, most of the equipment was called Unitra, sometimes the receivers were called Tosca :) The Soviet "Elektronika" was a union of many plants and research centers, hence the name on many devices. However, there were a lot of names of individual products - not only Junost, but also Elektron, Foton, Meridian, Sport and a lot of others. Including the most famous Ruby :D

    And I still have a question for the author: in what program was the clock diagram drawn? It looks very "Russian"!
  • #42 20271926
    sundayman
    Level 26  
    Quote:
    broken upper filament


    Fortunately not. But for now, I still don't know if it's otherwise functional.
    Unfortunately, I have other urgent work and will have to wait a while...

    Quote:
    rocket launchers


    what rockets?? :|
  • #43 20272000
    mkpoz
    Level 11  
    Gizmoń wrote:
    And I still have a question for the author: in what program was the clock diagram drawn? It looks very "Russian"!


    The original schematic is from a Russian electronics forum. It was modernized by me and adapted to my project. That's why it looks "Russian" ? I think that the diagram perfectly reflects the spirit of the project ?

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    sundayman wrote:

    Quote:
    rocket launchers


    what rockets?? :|


    Well, probably obvious buddy ? such for carrying baubles from "A" to "N" ?
  • #44 20272196
    szeryf3
    Level 30  
    @sundayman however you were tempted to buy.
    The clock looks a bit tired of life, but I hope that the VFD will be functional because this element is the most valuable of it.
    When you finish resuscitating this clock, praise it.
  • #45 20275582
    sundayman
    Level 26  
    Quote:
    such for carrying baubles from "A" to "N"


    do you have any connection with this topic? Because I'd love to buy a few :)

    Today I got a package with layouts from a German.
    They look unused. In one, these paths in the "windows" can be seen very well, in the other worse - in some places they are covered with a thin layer of plastic.
    The form seemed to be getting worse.

    But overall both layouts look good.
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the construction of a clock utilizing a VFD (Vacuum Fluorescent Display) based on the Soviet microcontroller KR145IK1911 and the DS32kHz oscillator. Participants share insights on the aesthetic appeal and functionality of VFD displays, with some reminiscing about their historical use in Soviet technology. The KR145IK1911 microcontroller, which operates on a -27V DC power supply, is noted for its unique design variations, including versions with and without "windows." Users discuss sourcing components, with some mentioning difficulties in finding the KR145IK1911 and alternatives like the KA1016HŁ1. The DS32kHz oscillator is praised for its stability and low price, while the aesthetic qualities of the clock's design, including suggestions for smoked glass, are also highlighted. The conversation touches on the durability and performance of VFD displays compared to modern technologies, emphasizing their charm and unique characteristics.
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FAQ

TL;DR: A DS32 kHz TCXO trims the Soviet KR145IK1911 clock to ±0.3 ppm (≈0.9 s / month) accuracy; "the clock is very accurate" [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617] Parts are still buyable from €10 and run on –27 V rails.

Why it matters: You can rebuild or repair retro VFD clocks with modern precision and readily sourced components.

Quick Facts

• Supply rails: –27 V anode, 4.8 V filament after dropper [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617] • Display: IVL1-7/5, 500 Hz multiplex, 1 Hz dots [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617] • DS32 kHz spec ±2 ppm; measured ±0.3 ppm (3 × better) [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617] • KR145IK1911 price: €9.99 + €6 shipping (Germany, 2022) [Elektroda, sundayman, post #20259005] • VFD life: ≥10 000 h, up to 30 000 h with lower filament voltage [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20260524]

What does the KR145IK1911 actually do?

It is a 40-pin p-MOS clock controller that generates 7-segment codes, digit multiplex signals, alarm outputs and a 1 Hz blink line. It drives up to six VFD digits directly, so no external decoder or counter chips are needed [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617]

How should I power the Soviet IC and VFD safely?

Use a dual-secondary transformer: one winding rectified and regulated to –27 V DC for anodes and logic, the second 5 V AC centre-tapped for the filament. Drop the filament to about 4.8 V to slow phosphor wear [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617]

Are there modern substitutes for the DS32 kHz TCXO?

Yes. Low-cost 14-pin TG-3541-XA TCXO offers ±1.9 ppm over 0–50 °C [Mouser catalogue]. ECS-327TXO gives ±1.5 ppm at 25 °C but lacks full temperature compensation [ECS datasheet].

How accurate is the clock after adding DS32 kHz?

Observed drift is +0.03 s / day, i.e., ±0.3 ppm or ≈6 s per year—three times better than the ±1 minute / year guaranteed by Maxim [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617]

What shortens VFD life and how can I prevent it?

High filament voltage accelerates phosphor burn. Drop to 4.8 V and multiplex at ≥500 Hz to reduce on-time per segment. Uneven burn after 11 years cut blue brightness by half [Elektroda, pawelr98, post #20260188]

How do I fine-tune a plain 32.768 kHz crystal if TCXO is unavailable?

  1. Start with two 20 pF load capacitors.
  2. Add a 4–20 pF trimmer across the crystal.
  3. Adjust while measuring 1 Hz output until drift <1 s/day [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617] Expect residual ±20 ppm unless temperature-compensated.

Edge case: What if the filament breaks or the crystal drifts badly?

A broken filament opens the cathode circuit; only half the digits light or display stays dark. Replace the tube. A drifting crystal can accumulate >1 minute/week error; retrofit a DS32 kHz or TG-3541 TCXO [Elektroda, kris8888, post #20270981]

How do I wire a DS32 kHz to KR145IK1911?

  1. Feed DS32 kHz with 4.9–5 V from a UL75P05 regulator.
  2. Route its 32.768 kHz output to pin 35 (OSC IN) of KR145IK1911.
  3. Tie backup battery to both ICs for time-keeping during outages [Elektroda, mkpoz, post #20256617]

Why still choose VFD over LCD or OLED?

VFD starts instantly at –40 °C, delivers high contrast without backlight, and switches in microseconds. OLED rivals contrast but ages faster; LCD fades below –20 °C and needs illumination [Elektroda, sundayman, post #20260193]

Are other one-chip Soviet VFD clock ICs available?

Yes. KA1016HL1 integrates counters and multiplex drivers similar to KR145IK1911 and was sold in Poland decades ago [Elektroda, slawekgaj3, post #20265830]

Do Soviet DIPs really have a different pin pitch?

Yes. Leads use a 2.50 mm grid versus the western 2.54 mm. Chips fit standard sockets but require firm pressure [Elektroda, pawelr98, post #20258585]

What drivers bridge microcontrollers to 30 V VFD anodes?

Open-collector transistor arrays (ULN2004 up to 50 V, 350 mA) or 6C595 high-voltage shift registers (33 V, 100 mA) handle anode lines directly [Elektroda, jaeger, #20269452; Elektrode, pawelr98, #20260481].
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