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Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch)

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  • Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    Today we will take a look inside another IoT gadget, but this time working with the Polish Supla system. We will see how it is built, how the power path is realised, what WiFi module is inside and, in addition, we will try to pair it with the Supla cloud and maybe back up its firmware too. We'll see.

    To start with, the product seems to be quite expensive:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    So what do we get for a whole £150?
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    Including a Polish-language manual:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    Here is the gadget itself:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .

    Pairing with Supla .
    Pairing with the Supla is based on pressing the RESET button and then connecting to the broadcast WiFi point (no password).
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    We then visit 192.168.4.1 (hosted by our device) and enter our WiFi network details there, as well as our server and the email of our Supla account. The server from our Supla account can be found in the Supla panel.
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    We then press "Save and reset" or reset with a physical button on the device. The device should appear in our panel:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    This particular module (ROW-02) offers two channels and can control two lights.
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    Of course, you can choose their icons, names, etc.
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    You can also trigger actions with it, but I have already written about that in another topic.
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    More in the topic:
    Pairing and configuring Supla devices without a mobile phone

    Interior of Zamel ROW-02 .
    Similar to Tuya products - lift the lid:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    The tracks for the higher powers are additionally tinned.
    You can already see the first circuit - the EA1721A. Or rather, probably a TEA1721A. So here, however, is a switching power supply in flyback topology? I have often seen non-isolated step-down converters in such products.
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    We look further afield:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    And from the top of the tiles:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    I don't see a pulse transformer here, so not a flyback after all! I guess the TEA1721 can work in other topologies too. I found other schematics on it:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    That is, however, again a non-isolated circuit. But he generates the voltage for the relay, for the WiFi module there is separately still a small step down inverter:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    And then there is the WiFi module:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch)
    ESP-WROOM-02, or ESP8266.
    Outputs:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    For the "principle" I connected a USB to UART converter and ripped the flash, but that's probably off topic, as the Supli is unlikely to need to be converted to Tasmota.
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch) .
    My copies of the IoT batches:
    https://github.com/openshwprojects/FlashDumps/tree/main/IoT

    Summary .
    Indeed I like the Supla environment, the pairing is simpler than in Chinese systems and does not require a phone, as I have already written about. Additionally, you don't need to buy a ready-made one at all, because Supla is open source and can be uploaded to devices just like Tasmota. I.e. if you buy a Tuya product you can upload Supla or OpenBeken yourself, depending on what is inside....
    It's a bit of a pity that the mentioned varistor didn't appear inside (as in some Sonoff products) - so there will be a downside here. Perhaps in other/newer versions this will be corrected.
    Users remark on the high stability of operation compared to cheaper Sonoff versions. I will therefore leave the final verdict to you anyway - does anyone use the ROW-02 or similar?

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  • #2 21241099
    Zvirek
    Level 25  
    Personally, I have several such devices from Zamel (SBW-02 one piece, THW-01 four pieces, SLW-01 two pieces) as well as three pieces of Sonoff Basic R2.
    In fact, the price difference between Zamel and Sonoff is big, but there is one thing that speaks for Zamel - stability. I have had one Zamel THW hang up once, while the Sonoff even regularly requires attention - at least once a month one of them (in my case at least) hangs up.
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  • #3 21241127
    madamsz1
    Level 41  
    As for stability, indeed there used to be a ranking on the forum with device run times displayed and some were astonishing. I've had everything done on Supli, well maybe apart from the plug sockets :) because it's Gosund and I've only had hang-ups on a unit in the boiler room with three DS18B20 sensors but even here the problem was the non-original sensors, although after correcting the power section it stopped hanging. At a colleague's place, on the other hand, I fitted all Zamel modules and there was never a problem.
  • #4 21241138
    MikeC
    Level 32  
    I have never had anything suspended on supli ( they reset themselves, if necessary) . As far as the price of Zamel is concerned - the company and production in Poland so for sure it is hard to compete with the Chinese.
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  • #5 21241945
    cinepi
    Level 16  
    It is now out of curiosity to see what sits in the competing Fox from F&F - priced similarly, but supposedly on a newer ESP. Well, and the energy meter, for example, is better suited to domestic applications because it has 40A transformers instead of 100A as in the MEW-01 from Supli.
  • #6 21242967
    krzbor
    Level 27  
    Zvirek wrote:
    On the other hand, Sonoff even requires attention on a regular basis - at least once a month one of them (with me at least) crashes.
    .
    With ESPs it takes some effort to get the processor to hang. Simply put, if something is wrong, it will reboot. Can you elaborate on the subject of hardware hanging up? Maybe it's about cloud collaboration, but in this case Tasmota locally and after the problem. I upload my own software to the ESP (including Sonoff). As hardware it has never crashed for me.
  • #7 21243293
    madamsz1
    Level 41  
    krzbor wrote:
    In the case of ESP it takes some effort to hang up the processor.
    .
    Personally, I have two sonoffs, neither of them do a problem, I've fitted about 4 more at friends' houses and they're all running for the 2nd year maintenance free.
    I have read that someone out there had a problem with something hanging up on a sonoff, something to do with the power supply (capacitors - the inverter was shitting) and poor wifi range.
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  • #8 21243659
    Zvirek
    Level 25  
    krzbor wrote:
    ...Can you elaborate on the subject of equipment hanging up? ...
    .

    Well one of the Sonoffs has just crashed:
    Brief test, pairing and interior of the Zamel ROW-02 (double-overhead light switch)
  • #9 21243715
    madamsz1
    Level 41  
    If you have it on a DS18B20 sensor then check that it is original because this happens on fakes.
    In the ESP supply you can also increase the capacitance of the capacitor additionally.
  • #10 21243881
    krzbor
    Level 27  
    Zvirek wrote:
    Well, one of the Sonoffs just crashed:
    .
    Is the data controlled from the cloud or locally?
  • #11 21244399
    Zvirek
    Level 25  
    From the cloud - I'm using the app, but I'll try to access the device directly by IP.
    As for the sensors, I think it's unlikely to be their fault, as the issue is not with specific thermistors, but virtually most (there are eight sensors in total in the three sonoffs).
    The problem disappears when the power is disconnected and switched back on.

    PS. I read somewhere that someone had a similar problem as their AP was jumping channels - I have the same set up, so I'll still try hardwiring one particular channel and see if that has any effect.

    Edit: I set the channel rigidly in the APs a couple of days ago and so far everything is OK. Could it be that the Sonoffs don't like channel changes?
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