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  • #31 13201675
    EAndrzej
    Level 21  
    Hello

    carot wrote:
    I doubt anything could back up through the intake


    Nothing has to flow back through the intake for such an invention to consume all the oxygen in the room and expel carbon monoxide and silently suffocate you - you won`t even notice it in time because you will lose consciousness. But it`s good that you listened to me and put this external intake on as soon as possible.
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  • #32 13201678
    carot
    Level 26  
    DJ MHz wrote:
    Can such a Webasto be adapted to burn used oil? Or a mixture of used oil + diesel?

    NO. Used oil has a much higher combustion temperature and you will simply destroy the burner. Only diesel or heating oil. Some trucks have dedicated 10-15 liter fuel tanks for Webasto.
    maliniak80 wrote:
    Dear Carot, could you tell us more or less how long it takes for your stove to start up, i.e. from giving the start impulse to igniting the flame, and what more or less does the start-up and extinguishing phase look like?

    from the start:
    0:00 blowing, turning on the circulation pump
    0:11 reducing the fan power to 25% and turning on the fuel pump at a frequency of 1.3Hz/min
    0:16 increase the fan speed to 70%, increase the pump frequency to 2.4Hz/min, turn on the candle
    0:26 full fan power, pump and candle unchanged
    1:03 fan and pump operation unchanged, candle turned off, flame sensor turned on


    Fade out:
    -turning off the fuel pump
    -full fan power
    - switching on the glow plug
    - depending on the temperature, blowing from 20 sec to 1.5 min.
    -switch to standby mode



    maliniak80 wrote:
    At what frequency does your fuel pump work at full power?

    2.4Hz/min. Why don`t you want to provide the original driver?

    EAndrzej wrote:
    such an invention used up all the oxygen and released carbon monoxide

    I think that in the absence of oxygen it would simply go out, but it`s not worth the risk for a few pennies. The flight will arrive the day after tomorrow at the latest, thanks for the advice.
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  • #33 13202199
    elektronik999
    Level 26  
    carot wrote:

    I think that in the absence of oxygen it would simply go out, but it`s not worth the risk for a few pennies. The flight will arrive the day after tomorrow at the latest, thanks for the advice.


    It`s not that there will be a complete lack of oxygen, because that is impossible, but there will be too little of it for complete combustion to take place, half-combustion will occur, i.e. it`s going to end.
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  • #34 13202383
    adamGazda
    Level 15  
    Quote:
    The only plan is to make an external intake of combustion air

    This is highly recommended. Air for the combustion room is now taken in through the apartment`s ventilation openings. Another way of supplying oxygen may be any leakage of windows or the main entrance door or intentional opening of e.g. a window. If these roads are properly routed, there is no risk of carbon monoxide poisoning, as long as the exhaust from the Webasto is clear to the outside. Now the machine ventilates the apartment by force :D . I do not recommend using it in its current configuration in multi-story buildings because such a solution will draw stale air from the entire ventilation stack into our apartment.
  • #35 13202568
    DJ MHz
    Level 25  
    Can a different fuel pump be used?
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  • #36 13202627
    tomus2k
    Level 27  
    Normally, oil burns dangerous to health and its exhaust fumes are poisonous. Many drivers have already lost their lives by heating their car while it is parked in winter. Secondly, combustion there takes place in a forced manner, there is a fan, so the exhaust gas outlet has its own direction and no matter what you do, they still come out through the exhaust.
    Fresh air can be supplied from existing ventilation systems or, if there are none, a seal can be cut out, e.g. 5 cm wide, at the top of the window.
    Coming back to the toxicity of exhaust gases, I would make a decent exhaust and secure it with an appropriate band. During ignition, fuel residues in the exhaust system may explode, preventing the exhaust from being damaged.
    It`s true that the Webasto has a protection and I always ventilate the exhaust system before starting it and after an unsuccessful attempt, but this is no joke and you have to be safe.

    I AM AGAINST HEATING LIVING ROOMS WITH INVENTIONS INSTALLED INSIDE, WHICH ARE BY NATURE DANGEROUS TO LIFE, MY ONLY AND MOST IMPORTANT ADVICE IS TO REMOVE THIS DEVICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
  • #37 13202671
    zibq
    Level 28  
    tomus2k wrote:
    Especially since you power it from a PS power supply, i.e. 3.15A, and at 12A it almost dies every time and may send garbage to the webast.


    You probably don`t know what you`re writing about. The PS3 power supply, depending on the model, has from 21 to 32A for the 12V line. I think my friend Carot knows what he`s doing, after all, he regenerates TDI carburetors ;)
  • #38 13202729
    tomus2k
    Level 27  
    zibq wrote:

    You probably don`t know what you`re writing about. The PS3 power supply, depending on the model, has from 21 to 32A for the 12V line. I think my friend Carot knows what he`s doing, after all, he regenerates TDI carburetors ;)


    PS3 power supply APS-270 16A at 12 V

    When writing the post, I don`t know why I was thinking about PS and not PS3

    "He regenerates carburetors. In TDI, he definitely knows what he`s doing." Great, now he knows how to set fire to water and makes superconductors out of sticks, or maybe he treats people online. :D
  • #39 13202853
    maliniak80
    Level 17  
    Quote:
    Friend maliniak80, find the VW training books, there is a lot about additional heaters. If you can`t find it, contact me and I`ll send it to you.

    ok, I found the page with descriptions, so I`ll think about something, actually, I still have to complete the procedures for controlling the furnace itself, because I already have the rest.
    Dear Carot, thanks, I wonder what would happen if I omitted blowing out the exchanger in the start-up procedure, it`s not a gas boiler, so why is it done? I couldn`t run the original controller, it`s a dedicated digital controller for a VW Touran and it doesn`t have a parking heating function, only an additional heater, so even if I turned it on, it would limit me greatly. My controller will have everything, including GSM control, sending logs and notifications to the phone with ambient and internal temperature, installation voltage and even the car`s position.

    And this is the control panel
    Home heating based on Webasto.
  • #40 13202907
    LoLek85
    Level 28  
    My friend maliniak80 Good luck and let me know how your work progresses, because the idea is really interesting :)

    Sorry for the OT.
  • #41 13202908
    carot
    Level 26  
    DJ MHz wrote:
    Can a different fuel pump be used?

    You can, but it must have the same performance as the original one.

    tomus2k wrote:
    Coming back to the toxicity of exhaust gases, I would make a decent exhaust and secure it with an appropriate band.

    There is an original exhaust pipe from Webasto, sealing cement for the exhausts and a U-band, also for the exhaust.

    tomus2k wrote:
    During ignition, fuel residues in the exhaust system may explode, preventing the exhaust from being damaged.

    It`s not a petrol engine.
    tomus2k wrote:
    More than one driver has already passed into the other world by heating his car while parked in the winter in the winter.

    I spent hundreds of hours in the cabin with the engine running, waiting, standing in traffic jams, sleeping. Apparently he`s alive. Carbon monoxide poisoning occurs when the engine is running in a closed room, or when there is a strainer instead of a floor and a leaky exhaust.
    tomus2k wrote:
    Especially since you power it from a PS power supply, i.e. 3.15A, and at 12A it almost dies every time and can send garbage to the webast.

    My favorite is APS-227, i.e. 32A at 12v, it will last, don`t be afraid.

    tomus2k wrote:
    "He regenerates carburetors. In TDI, he definitely knows what he`s doing." Great, now he knows how to set fire to water and makes superconductors out of sticks, or maybe he treats people online.

    I repair webast every day. Believe me, I know what to expect from him.
  • #42 13204400
    JACU626

    Level 28  
    And that`s actually possible, but I bought an aluminum radiator outside and placed the Webasto with the tank on a welded stand attached to the wall. Instead of tubes, there are rubber hoses at the top - a VW expansion tank. The workshop is heated by a room thermostat that turns it on. The advantage compared to yours is silence and no whistling. For my friend who asked what the start of my video looks like.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58YNOzu1Dg
  • #43 13205538
    tomus2k
    Level 27  
    carot wrote:

    There is an original exhaust pipe from Webasto, sealing cement for the exhausts and a U-band, also for the exhaust.
    .......
    It`s not a petrol engine.

    Cool.
    Maybe it`s not gasoline, ignition -45 - -30 degrees Celsius
    Ignition of oil 40 - 55 degrees Celsius, but
    Trust me, you wouldn`t want that at home.

    carot wrote:

    I spent hundreds of hours in the cabin with the engine running, waiting, standing in traffic jams, sleeping. Apparently he`s alive. Carbon monoxide poisoning occurs when the engine is running in a closed room, or when there is a strainer instead of a floor and a leaky exhaust.

    :?:
    How fast it works, a small example with a car in the background, look for the rest.
    Death of a 32-year-old in Elbląg. He went to the garage to repair his car and was poisoned by exhaust fumes
    And here`s the heating in the bus.
    Three people were poisoned by carbon dioxide in the car

    And so 46,000 found for the phrase "carbon monoxide poisoning in a car"

    You are so cheerful and confident, and their wives (widows), children, brother and sister cannot laugh.

    carot wrote:

    My favorite is APS-227, i.e. 32A at 12v, it will last, don`t be afraid.

    And you read the previous messages on this topic, I said that when I wrote I was convinced that it was a power supply for PS, not PS3, I corrected it and admitted that I was right.

    carot wrote:

    I repair webast every day. Believe me, I know what to expect from him.

    A friend of mine buried his son, daughter-in-law and their one-year-old child. They "believed" the person who installed the stove and connected himself to the ventilation chimney. Believe me, you don`t know how quickly and imperceptibly it kills carbon monoxide - painlessly for you, but not for your loved ones. Stick to installation in cars.

    I would like to praise the solution of Mr. JACU626, Mr. Carot, please.
  • #44 13205574
    carot
    Level 26  
    tomus2k wrote:
    Cool.
    Maybe it`s not gasoline, ignition -45 - -30 degrees Celsius
    Ignition of oil 40 - 55 degrees Celsius, but
    Trust me, you wouldn`t want that at home.

    Have you ever seen a leaking diesel injector? How is this unburned oil dripping from the exhaust? It`s strange that nothing catches fire or explodes.

    tomus2k wrote:

    How fast it works, a small example with a car in the background, look for the rest.
    Death of a 32-year-old in Elbląg. He went to the garage to repair his car and was poisoned by exhaust fumes
    And here`s the heating in the bus.
    Three people were poisoned by carbon dioxide in the car


    Do you feel comfortable starting a discussion about the impact of carbon monoxide on the human body with a paramedic?

    tomus2k wrote:
    A friend of mine buried his son, daughter-in-law and their one-year-old child. They "believed" the person who installed the stove and connected himself to the ventilation chimney. Believe me, you don`t know how quickly and imperceptibly it kills carbon monoxide - painlessly for you, but not for your loved ones. Stick to installation in cars.

    Since they believed the foreman who hooked up the VENTILATION UPPER, now there are consequences. Besides, do you think that portable heaters with 11 kg cylinders or small gas cartridge heaters do not pose a threat? Webasto is tight, there is ventilation in the apartment, a carbon monoxide detector, and exhaust to the outside. If only I could be sure that if I left the Webasto outside, no one would take it. Webasto works a maximum of 2-3 hours a day, the window is always open and someone is always watching over it. At night etc. it is disconnected from the power supply.
    I`m thinking about moving it to the kitchen, to a closed cupboard.
  • #45 13205588
    DJ MHz
    Level 25  
    carot wrote:
    DJ MHz wrote:
    Can a different fuel pump be used?

    You can, but it must have the same performance as the original one.


    So in this case
    Photo of the label
    must be 2.5 bar? Would 2 or 3 bars be ok? This is my last question, thank you for your help ;)
  • #46 13205589
    carot
    Level 26  
    Yes, 2.5 is enough.

    Moderated By ANUBIS:

    Closing at the author`s request.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the use of a Webasto heating system sourced from a Rover 75 car, adapted for home heating in a small apartment. The system operates on diesel fuel, utilizing a dedicated fuel pump and a Nissan Almera radiator as a heat exchanger. The user faced challenges with power supply, ultimately using a PlayStation 3 power supply to meet the voltage requirements. The heating system is noted for its quiet operation and external exhaust, with a fuel consumption of approximately 0.3-0.4 liters per hour. Participants discuss the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of using Webasto compared to electric and gas heating, as well as safety considerations regarding carbon monoxide and proper ventilation. Additional modifications, such as a PWM controller for fan speed and the potential use of an expansion tank, are also mentioned.
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