Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

I have read the entire thread from A to Z and it doesn't help After that, I join the club of people with decision problems which dryer to choose.
We have been using the Beko washing machine for 7.5 years without any problems, so this company is our first choice in the combination of a dryer and a washing machine:
Washing machine BEKO MWTV 6533 BB
Hair dryer BEKO DPY 8506 GXB1 Superia

The washing machine + dryer will be in the built-in wardrobe. According to this thread, a heat pump device will be the only choice.
However, I am concerned about the performance drop described, as I understand it mainly due to the clogging of the heat exchanger. Thorough cleaning of the exchanger is impossible? Therefore, we consider solutions with exchanger cleaning devices as in Bosch with SelfCleaning Condenser. A colleague @piokrza mentioned Samsung with cleaning:

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under pressure from the pump

but i can't find info about it. This is certain information, does this solution / technology have a name? Generally, do these "self-cleaning" patents work?

I still have a question, is there any relationship between the washing machine's load capacity and the dryer's load capacity? A 6kg washing machine is a 7 / 8kg dryer?

exwilliam wrote:

This is certain information, does this solution / technology have a name? Generally, do these "self-cleaning" patents work?

I personally use a dryer from Bosch, and there is a self-cleaning heat exchanger. So far, I have not noticed any problems with the quality of drying or higher energy consumption, so it works as it should.

I apologize in advance for the lack of Polish Colorado beetle: /

At this point, I would consider whether the so-called "performance loss" is supported by some facts or whether it is simply a response from marketing people to the problem that people do not read and do not follow the manufacturer's instructions.

Household appliances are manufactured to meet certain standards, and whether it has a light here or there and other such things are simply accessories.
why do I mention the tutorial? Eh, precisely because it usually ends up in garbage together with the packaging. The fact that the washing machine has, for example, 7 kg written, means nothing except that according to some DIN there is this washing machine on the cotton cycle is able to work out up to a maximum of 7 kg of dry cotton. who would think, right?

The stairs start when any other program is selected, e.g. in my LG by selecting the MIX program, the load capacity of this 7 kg washing machine suddenly drops to 4 kg max. delicates 2 kg max. etc. etc. But in addition, the drum must not be loaded with more than 3/4 of its capacity. From this it would follow that for a family of 4 people, washing machines from 7 kg up are the most reasonable.

The same with the dryers - the maximum load capacity is simply a certain number of kilograms of dry cotton that the dryer is able to dry on the cotton cycle. Payload decreases at other cycles. In addition, in the case of a dryer, cotton is not equal to cotton, we cannot expect that the dryer will dry my mothers and underwear and thick sweatshirts if we throw them together - or something will not dry (mmm, is the word? moisture sensor clothes will all be too dry.

I would say that more important than some inventions that are supposed to clean something from the exchanger, it is better to look for a model that has good air filtration and filters that are easy to clean - aaa, and most importantly, clean them according to the manufacturer's recommendations ... It's so easy to forget about it .. .
But that's just my humble opinion

I started this topic 4 years ago, I asked about a Bosch dryer with a heat pump model WTW85460PL. As of today, it works flawlessly and I think it was a good purchase.

Hello. I have PLN 2,500 at my disposal, I want to buy a dryer without a heat pump, but in a good energy class,
can someone tell me something?

Hello
For 5 or 6 years I have been using the Siemens IQ700 series heat pump dryer - WT46W561BY / 04 - according to the professional's assurances - it was supposed to be like a Mercedes! And she was ... Until. Unfortunately, later the trouble itself - one to be precise - always claims that the filter is dirty and needs to be cleaned. And it is always cleaned. The dryer in the service was already, I do not know how many times, until they finally said that it was better for me to buy without a heat pump. They even made a flap for me to clean - but she doesn't want to work anyway. And when I read the entries on this topic today - I don't know what to think myself. But more and more I am inclined to buy without a heat pump - the Bosch WTG 86400 model.
Well, my wife says my current dryer - Zołza - because if we want to dry something, she decides to go on strike. And what I have to say for sure - a dryer at home is a revelation. All "small items" (socks, panties), towels - a revelation!
So how - what to choose? With or without a pump ???
Can this question be answered unequivocally ??

in heat pump dryers you clean the filter itself, and what about the condenser? it does not get dirty anymore and does not need to be cleaned like in these condenser dryers without a heat pump? of course not. It gets dirty in the same way, but there is no way to clean it, because it is surrounded by pump heat exchanger tubes welded to it, which are stationary and therefore the condenser cannot be removed. Therefore, it is a disposable. Manufacturers are already inventing "self-cleaning" systems using the falling water from the condensate tank and how it works can be found by typing in youtube or google the appropriate German or other western language. Interestingly, even in Bosch, manufacturers with this self-cleaning capacitor leave a flap, and a factory-sealed capacitor housing, but with an engraved place for cutting it out with a knife and introducing a service hatch purchased separately I am just curious if and how Miele "solved" this problem (or not), because I see everything in the same way with other manufacturers.

Yesterday in my Miele a light came on suggesting cleaning the filter. It was enough motivation - the process itself is very simple, open the flap, pull out the handle on which the filter is placed, treat it with a vacuum cleaner, fold it, put it back in, close the flap.

From this "scaring" here I decided to look at the exchanger - there is no trace of dust on it or any other type of anything after 18 months of use. I know that this does not answer the question of how Miele solved this problem, the foam filter is about 40mm, of which about 5mm is very dense, so it is able to catch all these small fluff flying in the air.

The filter contamination sensor itself is also very simple - the dryer has a programmed amount of air that should be able to suck (with a clean filter) and if this value drops, the cleaning indicator lights up.

The recirculation air filter is cleaned after each cycle and it is also very simple. If I have time, I will post a photo or two ...

Will Nottellyou wrote:

From this "scaring" here, I decided to look at the exchanger-

You know that this is not frightening, but facts - maybe you have not read that this applies to heat pump dryers. Please indicate which Miele dryer model you have, because probably without a heat pump.

Will Nottellyou wrote:

If I have time, I will post a photo or two ...

I am asking you - any documentation and source of knowledge will be useful.

freebsd wrote:

Will Nottellyou wrote:

From this "scaring" here, I decided to look at the exchanger-

You know that this is not frightening, but facts - maybe you have not read that this applies to heat pump dryers. Please indicate which Miele dryer model you have, because probably without a heat pump.
Eh, yes, I read and I'm sure they have a heat pump. She has TKB550WP tortured practically every day for four or five years, I have TMB140WP used on average twice a week in winter more often for about 18 months ...

Will Nottellyou wrote:

If I have time, I will post a photo or two ...

I am asking you - any documentation and source of knowledge will be useful.

Ok, a few photos, I hope they will be uploaded in the right order.

I recently saw an identical sponge in a neonet store in some Beko pump dryer.

You think it was Miele who got off the beko?

No, rather the other way around ...

Quite possible. the question of what is behind the sponge and how the air circulation is done etc. etc.

In the UK, BEKO is perceived as a company that makes equipment relatively cheap, but not durable and not very efficient - that's why most of it goes to apartments for rent and you can write that it is both. but what is it, how is it and doomed to failure within 24 months ...

Before buying Miele, I thought for a while about Beko and other companies (I am not obsessed with any company - if the product meets my expectations, it can be almost any brand), but in the end I chose Miele because it has all the functions I need, it is quieter than others devices of this type and visually I like LOL better. OK and I had previous experiences which were very positive, unlike with BOSCH, Indesit, Candy and BEKO - I only refer to dryers. With other devices it was / is better ...

Will Nottellyou wrote:

Ok, a few photos, I hope they will be uploaded in the right order

It definitely looks like a heat pump model And the exchanger is installed

Will Nottellyou wrote:

Ok, a few photos, I hope they will be uploaded in the right order.

A very nice system with several mesh filters one after the other - it catches most of the lint.

As for this sponge, it looks like a filter for a grooved vacuum cleaner - and there you need a lot of power to push the air through such a filter with adequate efficiency.
Additionally - in the dryer the air flow should be quite large in volume, and such a sponge does not look like it is able to pass a lot of air.

I don't know, Miele has a hermetically sealed air circuit so it doesn't have to suck it all the time. As for me, it is important that I put in wet clothes and take out dry ones ...

In my Dyson vacuum cleaner I have a filter that needs to be washed every few months, then a HEPA filter and that's basically it. Household appliances must be as simple as possible ...

Ps.

How big is your car air filter?

Will Nottellyou wrote:

I don't know, Miele has a hermetically sealed air circuit so it doesn't have to suck it all the time. As for me, it is important that I put in wet clothes and take out dry ones ...

Each condenser dryer has a closed air circuit.

maras77 wrote:

Will Nottellyou wrote:

I don't know, Miele has a hermetically sealed air circuit so it doesn't have to suck it all the time. As for me, it is important that I put in wet clothes and take out dry ones ...

Each condenser dryer has a closed air circuit.

I would say everyone should have I suspect that some manufacturers design and put together something like this better than others ...

I noticed that Miele is probably one of the few brands (?) With dryers with "A" condensation class. Most of the dryers from other manufacturers, also with heat pumps and also at prices> 2000 PLN, have the "B" condensation class. It is not known what it depends on. Somewhat off the topic, I once checked the efficiency class of the absorption of pollutants by hoods and also mainly the Miele brand has such in class "A" What does it prove?

piokrza wrote:

I noticed that Miele is probably one of the few brands (?) With dryers with "A" condensation class. Most of the dryers from other manufacturers, also with heat pumps and also at prices> 2000 PLN, have the "B" condensation class. It is not known what it depends on. Somewhat off the topic, I once checked the efficiency class of the absorption of pollutants by hoods and also mainly the Miele brand has such in class "A" What does it prove?

That you have a problem with using, for example, Google?

freebsd wrote:

piokrza wrote:

I noticed that Miele is probably one of the few brands (?) With dryers with "A" condensation class. Most of the dryers from other manufacturers, also with heat pumps and also at prices> 2000 PLN, have the "B" condensation class. It is not known what it depends on. Somewhat off the topic, I once checked the efficiency class of the absorption of pollutants by hoods and also mainly the Miele brand has such in class "A" What does it prove?

That you have a problem with using, for example, Google?

That you do not understand what I am writing about.

Condensation Efficiency Class A:
- Bosch WTW87560GB
- Candy CTDBH7A1TBE
- BEKO DSX83410W
- Zanussi Lindo100 ZTE7100PZ
- Gorenje D98F65EUK
In fact, the whole thing breaks down to the tightness of the dryer mechanism. I put an additional gasket in my super cheap dryer and I do not smell any smells in the air while drying, not to mention moisture. I also have hygrometers, two analog ones on the walls and a digital one.

Are the models you wrote out at all available in Poland?

piokrza wrote:

Are the models you wrote out at all available in Poland?

Why do you ask? You live in Poland?

Well, probably like most people on this portal ...

Then you would set it on your profile. Great people have emigrated now and are still writing here.
I still suggest that you familiarize yourself with, for example, Google. Please: DA83IL / I: https://www.ceneo.pl/68525146 I am proposing cheap brands on purpose.

I have looked at what shops recommend, e.g. media markt etc. and unfortunately there is a very small selection of dryers without a heat pump.
I request information:
1. Does Samsung make dryers without a heat pump?
2. If not, I am asking for advice on how to buy a dryer without a heat pump.
best regards

Hello. Since childhood, he has been interested in household appliances, mainly washing machines, dishwashers and dryers. For 12 years I have had A in total I have a Bosch dryer without a heat pump. In fact, it did not break down for 12 years, but the temperature at which the drought is deadly high, when I opened the door in the middle of work, the things could not be touched because they were so stinging despite the fact that I had the function of supposedly reducing the temperature. The effect - practically all things coincided, the children looked as if they had blouses from their older brother because the sleeves were shortened by about 5 cm, the prints crumbled and all the elastics in the panties or tracksuits broke. That's why I used this dryer to dry the laundry for 40 minutes and hung it up. The effect was not the worst because most of the things did not need to be ironed, which was a big plus because I have quite a lot of washing (5-7) cycles per week. However, the bull's moisture in the house is quite high and, worst of all, the fold-out dryers were everywhere. I decided to buy a new one with a heat pump, because I read that it was drought at a lower temperature of about 55 degrees, where the old bank heater was 80-90 because its entire housing was heated to the maximum. I have had new equipment for half a year and I am afraid of its failure because I have read a lot about how these heat pumps sit down and clog. That's why I take care of the filters, the condenser by vacuuming every 2 weeks, I hope that it will last for at least 5 years because, let's face it, the equipment is now less durable and if you look like that, nothing could be bought because it breaks, let's look at smartphones, laptops, etc. Dishwasher I was 10 years old, I was 10 years old, I have also a new Bosch for 3 years, but I can hear that the pump is working a bit louder ... returning to the dryer, and most importantly, the effects and difference with the old one. Amazing and shock at the same time, it dries everything to the end, I take it out and fold it practically without ironing, except for shirts and some elegant trousers. I was skeptical and disbelieving the first few dryings because how can it dry in summer air, but I opened it several times during drying, after 50 or 60 minutes where the temperature is theoretically highest, and complete amazement, the air is actually summer so without fear I started throwing it into There are more and more new things, nothing but it has not damaged me, it has shrunk or faded, so it is the best equipment for me right after the dishwasher And I urge everyone around to this wonderful equipment. I would never go back to an ordinary dryer without a heat pump, even if it breaks down, because the difference is huge. Electricity bills did not increase, when it dries, even the cable does not heat up (and this even happens in a washing machine and dishwasher when it heats the water), so it is very economical. For those interested, I have electrolux EW8H458BP Perfect Care. Greetings and encourage all those who are wondering to buy because it is really worth it, I can say that the laundry is out of my duties and everything is done by the equipment :)

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I would like to add that recently I was even drying a wool sweater because this model has a wool drying program, even for hand washable wool. Nothing but nothing at all happened to him just looks better as new. The drying time, contrary to what other users have said, is not the worst. So more or less in the range of 90-120 minutes, where the previous one was also drying for about a half and a half hours, I have to spin at 1200 revolutions, although my washing machine has a maximum of 1600, but somehow I feel sorry to force it so much.

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When buying, I advise you to check if the dryer has reverse drum movements, the old Bosch did not have bedding and all other similar things folded into one large ball, which resulted in insufficient drying and a mega crease of the material. Therefore, I did not buy a new Bosch, even though I like this company, because they still did not think that the drum would spin from time to time, again and again, but ...