Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

Why losses? What is the capacity? 8kg is the minimum

7 kg. I only used it to dry it for 40 minutes, in my case it did not work completely for normal drying. Things were shrinking, fading, and had a characteristic smell that only bothered me with the towels.

You can easily convert it into ventilation, then you open the windows and let the moisture out of the window. Then it does not overheat, it dries in the same or even shorter time.

At lower temp?

Such were the tests such that the converted dryer ran at -10 ° C. I thought it would freeze inside, and it was dry as usual, only gobs of steam were coming out of it. Drying requires air with low humidity and wind. To obtain such air, it is enough to heat it.

It is interesting that the black sediment in the dishwasher bothers some, and not in a heat pump dryer?
Equally interesting are your observations that the "classic" Bosh and Siemens dryers damage clothes. - I do not have a dryer of these brands and my clothes do not damage them.

freebsd wrote:

my clothes do not deteriorate.

It is known that there will be no holes after one drying, but a dryer without a heat pump produces lint in the filter. So it is obvious that fabrics are slimming more aggressively, which certainly shortens their service life. And the very consistency of the fabrics after taking them out of the dryer is completely different, even on socks it can be seen. There is no point in arguing about it, because the difference does not depend on the manufacturer of the dryer, but on the drying technique.

Borutka wrote:

but a dryer without a heat pump produces much more fluff in the filter.

Can you weigh the amount of fluff after drying in a heat pump dryer?

I will not argue with the fact that the difference between a dryer with a pump and without is colossal, but in any dryer I did not notice any loss of weight. I have things like blouses or underwear at home, which have been dried several hundred times in an old dryer without a pump and in a new one with a pump. She is not even a little slimmer. In my opinion, after drying in a dryer, things look much better, they are not hard as stone but fluffy.

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A dryer without a pump would sometimes shrink things or make things fade, but never things made me thinner. If that were the case, the dryers would not exist

freebsd wrote:

Can you weigh the amount of fluff after drying in a heat pump dryer?

I have not weighed, I have nothing to weigh, and I do not deal with such things. On the other hand, probably most users after a transfer notice that there is less lint in the filter.

Dorilll wrote:

did not notice the weight loss stuff.

After all, it will not be the case that the sweater weighed 1 kg before drying, and half a kg after drying. Everything you take out of the filter has been taken away from the fabrics, so it's probably getting smaller ...? This loss need not be visible to the naked eye as a weight reduction. The fabric will lose its elasticity, resistance to creasing or dirt over time. Of course, when drying on a string in the wind, the fluff also evaporates, but to a lesser extent.

Dorilll wrote:

If that were the case, the dryers would not exist

That is why there is relevant information on the labels of clothes.

Yes, and it does not apply to them because I could dry 2 items of each wash. In my family, there are 3 the same dryers, all dry, including delicate things, and nothing is happening.

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As for the lint, I did not notice that there were fewer of them in the dryer with the pump compared to the old one.

Hi
Could you advise me which dryer would be the optimal choice at the moment? Unfortunately, I have to limit myself to Bosch, because I have little space and I have to put it in the post on the Bosch washing machine from the 8 series. Does it make sense to pack in expensive Home Professional models or rather stay with the 8 series or possibly some other model?
Money is a secondary issue and I can buy even the most expensive model, but life teaches that after that you don't get to grips with this crap of programs and options.
Help me please, because my wife is drying my head (nomen omen)

Borutka wrote:

I have not weighed, I have nothing to weigh, and I do not deal with such things.

So you're spreading rumors without cover? You praise more expensive solutions, but what do you have to support your theses?

You do not have to buy a Bosch, as long as the washing machine is of standard size. My friends have a home Professional washing machine without any electrolux perfect care joiner. Bosch has a few disadvantages, the self-cleaning capacitor is a bad solution and for me the big disadvantage is the lack of rotation in both directions. In my opinion, it is not worth overpaying for a higher model because it will not work for you anymore. Everything breaks down similarly quickly. You should limit yourself to PLN 2,500 for a good dryer

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As for the weighing of freebsd fluff, what would it look like? After all, it would have to be two identical loads of the same fabrics. So chuba cannot be reliably stated. Sometimes I have a full filter, sometimes there is practically nothing in it. It all depends on what we are drying at the moment. Personally, I have the most fluff after the bedding, because it probably has the most dust, etc.

Dorilll wrote:

As for the weighing of freebsd fluff, what would it look like? After all, it would have to be two identical loads of the same fabrics. So chuba cannot be reliably stated. Sometimes I have a full filter, sometimes there is practically nothing in it. It all depends on what we are drying at the moment. Personally, I have the most fluff after the bedding, because it probably has the most dust, etc.

Averaging, statistics, distribution ... Otherwise it looks as if a sales representative of German brands wrote here.

I think I can objectively say because I had to deal with both dryers and the amount of lint is comparable in each ?

1)
So I think it's a myth that a heat pump dryer produces less lint. Why would it be this way? It is possible that it produces even more of them, because the drying programs can take longer and the mechanical load on the fabrics increases by their longer "spinning" in the drum. Turning longer = more friction between items in the dryer. So much for theory, it would be fun to measure it.

2)
I have a dryer without a heat pump. Does not damage clothes. However, users reporting such a problem may be right, as it may concern German clothes dryer manufacturers.

freebsd wrote:

Borutka wrote:

I have not weighed, I have nothing to weigh, and I do not deal with such things.

So you're spreading rumors without cover? You praise more expensive solutions, but what do you have to support your theses?

I have no interest in praising anything or suggesting anything to someone. I am sharing only my experiences with over a dozen years of using dryers. Anyway, when comparing the principle of operation of both types of dryers, you can predict such results in advance.

mjkmjk1 wrote:

Hi
Could you advise me which dryer would be the optimal choice at the moment? Unfortunately, I have to limit myself to Bosch, because I have little space and I have to put it in the post on the Bosch washing machine from the 8 series. Does it make sense to pack in expensive Home Professional models or rather stay with the 8 series or possibly some other model?
Money is a secondary issue and I can buy even the most expensive model, but life teaches that after that you don't get to grips with this crap of programs and options.
Help me please, because my wife is drying my head (nomen omen)

Each series may vary in the shade of white, so it is better to make sure that one on top of the other will stand without a problem. I have a dryer in a series of 4 and the effects of work and the quality of workmanship are very good. I have a washing machine from the 8 series and although it is only a washing machine, it still feels premium in the workmanship and work culture.

Rather, it would be strange, because whether this company or that equipment works on the same principle, rather at the same temperature. My pump dryer dries between 1.40 and 2 hours, the old one also dried at the same time, so I don't really notice any longer working hours. I admit that I have opened the dryer many times during work to check how the interior heats up and it is always only lukewarm, I never cracked any applications on things that notoriously happened in the previous equipment, after a dozen or so drying even the rubber bands in the pants could break, the sleeves did too short, etc. And do you dry everything in the dryer or do you take care and look at the labels? Because I have never done it because most of the time it is forbidden to dry it and if you followed it, it would be pointless to turn on the dryer if you had to hang half the laundry anyway. In the new one, I move everything from the washing machine to the dryer and for over a year nothing has coincided, and I was drying such things that I would never even think to put in the dryer

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But one thing I'm sure of after using the dryer for almost 14 years. The accumulation of fluff does not affect the condition of the clothes in any way, I have many old materials, mainly bed linen or towels, which are dried regularly since the purchase of the first dryer, without a pump and by no means their structure is not damaged and they are in perfect condition, and I will add that the feathers are at least 2 times a month, so these washing and drying cycles have already gone through a bit. And if it already affects in such an imperceptible way that we will sooner throw away the thing because we get bored, or the children will grow out of them than because of damage by the dryer

Bosch has these fasteners so that you can safely place the dryer on the washing machine. I've seen it with my friends and apparently everything works fine. I would rather be afraid to put a different brand dryer on a Bosch washing machine without using a connector. I do not care too much about the colors and shades of white, because the devices are covered with sliding doors anyway, and besides, I'm not that aesthetic. I mean more that it fulfills its role and does not break down, because I do not like the latter very much. Can someone recommend a specific model? For example, Series 8 (I care about a large load) or Home Prof.?

It's hard to deal with this spoilage nowadays, so try to take something at the lowest possible price so that you don't cry too much in case of failure. I don't know how much Professional costs, but I guess it's over 3,000? That's a lot, but if you want to spend so much money to minimize the risk of failure, take Miele. Nobody will give a hand either, but I have a washing machine for 8 years and it's a real Mercedes among this type of equipment, work culture incomparable to other brands, metal tank, cast iron counterweight, weighing about 95 kg and all this together very well harmonizes. Of course, no breakdowns so far, maybe it will be the same with dryers

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If the dryer breaks down quickly somehow and the washing machine in the meantime will work as usual, I will probably try with the Miele dryer

I understand what Miele is about. Maybe I would even make up my mind, had it not been for the fact that I want to put it in the post and would rather not risk a possible movement. I rather focus on a Bosch connector and a dryer of the same brand.
From what I have read, it is the most expensive model from the Home Professional line, it probably has this spinning both ways. Unfortunately, it is an expense of PLN 4,200, or PLN 3,900, because it is now Bosch's caschback.

If you buy a dryer of the same size as the washing machine, you do not need to use any connectors, as I wrote before, my friends have a home Professional washing machine and an electrolux dryer without a connector. Everything works flawlessly, I do not know what this washing machine would have to do so that such a dryer would fall off it. I think you jump while spinning like the lights and the old fleece before ?

Dorilll wrote:

In my electrolux, this is how the exchanger looks after more than a year of use, on average 5 times a week. It cleans once a month, it takes me 5 minutes. The top one has a double. So it seems to me that this construction works. I would like to add that there are 3 identical copies in the family, both of them rock it nice

How and with what do you clean the exchanger?

I wipe all the lamellas with a toothbrush, and then suck in all the dirt with such an elongated tip from a vacuum cleaner. I just don't touch them so as not to bend them and repeat this action 2-3 times

Dorilll wrote:

as I wrote before, my friends have a home Professional washing machine and an electrolux dryer without a connector. Everything works flawlessly, I do not know what this washing machine would have to do so that such a dryer would fall off it.

May they not be surprised one fine day

For over a year, so I think that many of the poorly balanced washing designs have survived and there is a chance that nothing will happen

Dorilll wrote:

I wipe all the lamellas with a toothbrush, and then suck in all the dirt with such an elongated tip from a vacuum cleaner. I just don't touch them so as not to bend them and repeat this action 2-3 times

Working with your nose on the floor ?!

I would like to take advice on how to do it differently, do you have one? Are you constantly aiming for pump dryers to be ble and the best solution is to cook your things in an ordinary condenser dryer? ?

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I would prefer that it could be pulled out, it is logical. However, for now there are no such dryers, hopefully they will appear one day.

Dorilll wrote:

is cooking your things in a conventional condenser dryer?

Mine doesn't cook, but maybe other brands do What condensing company did you have?

Dorilll wrote:

I would prefer that it could be pulled out, it is logical. However, for now there are no such dryers, hopefully they will appear one day.

They probably won't. This is the same layout as in a refrigerator or air conditioner. It has to be tight and contains greenhouse gases, so it must be operated only with f-gas permits.

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Dorilll wrote:

Are you going to the pump dryer all the time?

Not Some time ago I wanted to show that the purchase of a heat pump dryer does not make economic and technical sense. However, seeing the involvement of people (I am writing not only about this thread) who bought a heat pump dryer, I gave up. I do not care, and everyone has his own mind and is allowed to choose and be satisfied with whatever he wants. It is not worth leaving a trace that all "classic" dryers are "blee"