Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

p wrote:

How would you rate the noise generated by both dryers and compare it to the noise of a spinning washing machine?

Both types of dryers make the same noise. The comparison to the washing machine is a matter of individual reception and room acoustics, but spinning is probably a more annoying sound.

The noise of the dryer is uniform and may therefore be less noticeable after a long time.

I think I'll be buying a dryer without a pump.
In the Bosch WTG 86400PL manual, there is an option to program a "fuse" 16 or 10A with the rated power being 2800KW or 2100KW, the operating times at 10A are also different.

Does this mean that the dryer dries at a lower temperature, or just that it takes more time to warm up to the same temperature?

It dries at a lower temperature and does not reach as high a temperature as the classic one. Without a pump, it heats up to over 80 degrees, and the pump fluctuates between 50-55 degrees. I would not return to a regular dryer, because many things were shrinking for me and, for example, new black pants looked like 15 times after one wash were washed. Some people here write that in an ordinary dryer they do not destroy their things, unfortunately I have worse experience. I had a high-end Bosch too

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I have not read that you only asked about the differences in the dryer without heat ppmpy. It seems to me that the time is longer, because such dryers as if they were to dry at low temperature, such a process would take 5 hours

Yes, I would like to know if reducing the rated power, increasing the time, will lower the drying temperature, or maybe there will only be additional time for heating to the same temperature. It's a dryer without a Bosch pump. As you can see below, the reference drying times in the manual are + - 30min longer at the 10A setting.

Cotton Normal *	10/16 A.
1400 rpm	140 mins / 108 mins
1000 rpm	158 min / 126 min
800 rpm	176 min / 144 min
For ironing *
1400 rpm	116 min / 86 min
1000 rpm	135 min / 103 min
800 rpm	153 min / 121 min

I remember so, I also had such tables. The heater works at lower power, but it will be turned off anyway when it reaches the appropriate temperature. Nevertheless, I have you to take with the pump As for the failure rate, now there are no devices that can withstand these 10 years or more. There is no guarantee that the one without the pump will not break.

Yes, but without the pump, I can fix most of the breakdowns myself. And with the pump, I don't know how to bite it.

I wanted to choose a heat pump dryer for the Bosch WAN2427SPL washing machine to be placed in the post. I was thinking about the Bosch WTH8500SPL up to 7 kg dryer, what do you think about it?

Buy a 5-year warranty right away and use it intensively so that it breaks down during this time, for me it fell after 2.5 years and I had the warranty for 2 years.

Yanes, your Bosch WTH8500SPL dryer broke after 2.5 years or did you write in general?

In general, because I already have a broken Bosch dryer with a pump bought as used, then I bought a new Siemens and it fell to me after 2.5 years.

I already have a dryer, it's a model with a heater (i.e. without a pump) Bosch WTG86400PL. I reduced the power selection option to 2000W.

First, I tested it by measuring the temperature of the programs with a probe placed in the fluff filter, i.e. the temperature of the air leaving the drum. Temp. rises to the maximum, then drops by 10-15 degrees, then rises again to the max.

My measurement shows that, apart from:
- "Cold airing" program that works without a heater and without a humidity sensor

all programs, with the option of delicate and without, dry with a temperature of up to 78 degrees (in the fluff filter), except for "6 min wool" which heated to 71 and the time is up
the "delicate" option to lower the temperature changed absolutely nothing.
On the other hand, the temperature of fabrics during drying, measured with a pyrometer, is about 56-63 degrees.

A large number of programs that only change: projected maximum program duration on the display (which changes anyway by the humidity sensor). Greetings to those who buy a more expensive model due to the greater number of programs.

So what to do with it? I'm afraid to put my clothes in there. Tested on sheets and towels always washed at supposedly 90 degrees.
If someone from BSH looks here, please let me know what I set wrong, or how to turn on any program with a lower temperature.

Do third-party dryers without a pump also have no medium temperature program?

yanes wrote:

In general, because I already have a broken Bosch dryer with a pump bought as used, then I bought a new Siemens and it fell to me after 2.5 years.

There is no difference here whether it is Bosch or Siemens because it is one and the same.

levy, do you think i don't know that?

yanes wrote:

levy, do you think i don't know that?

I am writing for those who do not know about it

sdfgerrtefrg wrote:

So what to do with it? I'm afraid to put my clothes in there. temperature?

First of all, read the tags on the clothes.
Temperature isn't the only problem. There is also a big wind, which significantly slims the fabrics - which can be seen from the volume of the filter content.
I only used such a dryer to dry bed linen, towels and inferior underwear.
But in a new one (with a heat pump), I also don't dry better things if the label doesn't allow it.

This slimming stuff by collecting fluff is a myth. Yet nothing has "slimmed down", even in the previous dryer without a pump. Only things kept shrinking there. I put practically everything in the dryer with the pump, if I looked at the labels, I could dry a maximum of 1 kg from one washing machine load. I was drying delicate dresses, which I was washing in the washing machine only for 30 degrees, and absolutely nothing happened, no applications with clothes broke. If I were to complain about some socks, but of poor quality, which I didn't like anyway. That is why I will defend heat pump dryers to the effect, even if it breaks down quickly, it's hard to have such times, telephones, laptops, etc., everything now breaks down quickly. As I wrote before, dryers without a pump are only suitable for towels and bedding and no one will say that, for example, suit pants will come out unscathed after drying in 80 degrees ... sensational thing all laundry from the washing machine should be thrown into the dryer without fear and the dryer in the closet

Maybe it is, but I will not mention it again

I wish you had listened to me earlier. For me, a dryer is one of the best household appliances in the house right after the dishwasher, and I think you will not be completely satisfied with this.

I have Bosch without a pump and I will describe my adventures here. If someone wants, it can be easily converted into ventilation. It is enough to remove the plastic in front of the exchanger, the aluminum exchanger, leave the grate open. The temperature behind the drum will be 20 ° higher than the intake air. The disadvantage of this solution is that the humidity and dust are blown outside, you need to open the window or add a pipe to the chimney.
The dryer modified in this way dries even in frost of approx. -10. In order to effectively collect water from clothes, you need to raise the temperature by about 50 ° in the dryer without a pump.

Hello,

I need advice from someone who has tested several heat pump dryers and advise me on which of the following models to choose. At the outset, I would like to add that a dryer with a heater only with a heat pump is not an option. I am currently the owner of the Electrolux Perfect Care 800 recommended in this thread and it is a model from the higher ones for nearly PLN 3k EW8H359SP. Initially, it was a great delight because the dryer actually dries gently (it does not shrink and does not damage clothes) compared to the "heater". But the delight ended when after 6 months of use something fell in it and the whole bathroom started to drip with water (problem with steam condensation) just the mirror fogged up somewhere halfway through the drying cycle and condensation on the walls. The warranty covers the entire heat pump, i.e. the bottom of the dryer. Two different authorized services have stated that it is this component that does not work as it should and that this type is After replacing it is better, but the problem remains, i.e. the entire drawer / condensate container is steamed up during drying and when I put my hand in this drawer handle, my fingers are wet (it was not so before) ....

In order not to dwell on how wonderful electrolux is, I decided to let go of the particular dryer that I have and buy a completely new one (this one will find another owner from the family who does not mind the described defect)

I am thinking about Bosch, Electrolux (here I am afraid that I will hit a bum again) although I have been using the company's equipment for over 15 years, from the time when it was still Made in Sweden. Possibly, Samsung comes into play, but here I am also not sure about the adventures with this company's refrigerator and how massive the service is.

In terms of price, it is 2300-2600 PLN

The models that caught my eye with RTV Euro are:
- Bosch WTR85V5EPL - series 4, price approx. 2399 and no automatic cleaning of the heat exchanger
- Bosch WTM8528EPL - series 4, price approx. 2599 with automatic cleaning of the exchanger
- Bosch WTW8546EPL - series 6, price approx. 2699 with automatic cleaning of the exchanger plus some minor differences in options / programs

When it comes to Electrolux, I will probably not be persuaded to choose any top model, if I had to try the dryer of this company again, it's probably budgetary:

- Electrolux EW8H458BP PerfectCare for about PLN 2399 is slightly poorer than what I bought earlier, i.e. it has a smaller LCD and no rotation plus. By the way, these dryers have the same inside, they differ slightly in design, display +/- some additional programs.

I don't know anything about Samsung in the context of heat pump dryers.

I am asking for your advice whether to enter e.g. Bosch, if so, should you avoid this automatic exchanger cleaning system about which there are such bad reviews? Electrolux generally seemed to me the most interesting option before, but after such a quick failure I am already skeptical :-)

Thanks in advance for any answers and suggestions.

You just came across a faulty copy, it just happens and in every brand you take now, the risk will be similar. For example, there are two of the same Bosch top row washing machines in the family. In some, after 4 months, the engine module for almost a thousand zlotys was lost, and in others, the washing machine has been washing every day for over 2 years and nothing is wrong with it, they are delighted. As for the dryer, I have had perfect care for over a year and nothing is happening to it, but the handle from the container has always been slightly damp and generally when I close the bathroom it gets stuffy and a little muggy. Heat pump dryers mostly have condensation class B, which means that some of the moisture escapes to the outside anyway. It seems to me that the grind is class A, so generally if you want something that will differ from others, I will grind it. I have a washing machine from them for 8 years and it definitely differs from other work culture, etc. Samsung has a very bad opinion about the dryer, and I personally reject Bosch for the lack of two-way rotation, I did not have them in the old dryer without a pump and it was annoying

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I would not give it back, you will have time to change the dryer more than once. So always better later than before

My dryer does not add even a tiny bit of humidity to the bathroom.

Well, my Electrolux did not generate moisture, the only thing that was just warmer in the bathroom (which has over 5m2), but there was no question of evaporation of the walls. The website says that if there is condensation in the room in these electroluxes, then either the system (compressor) is not efficient - I supposed the cooling part did not work, so it was only heating or the control board fell - but then an error appears after entering service mode. For me, there were no errors, the technician measured the pump's operating temperature and decided that the system was too hot, its cooling was not working.

Buddy Dorilll,
Can you check it in your Perfect Care? For me, it looks like that after loading the laundry and turning on, for example, mixed or cotton, after about 30 minutes of drying, as during drying, the water container is removed, it is simply steamed outside - I will ride my hand, it is completely wet. On the other hand, it becomes dry at the end of the drying program, as if something flooded towards the end which dries it out. But I have the impression that before the failure, this container was always dry. Because I have repeatedly checked during drying how much water is in it and it was never steamed or wet. Before replacing the pump, from this opening where the container holder is, you could feel that the humid air was blowing out of there, that steam was forming on the upper part of the dryer door. It was not normal as well. Now it is but a little less.

Bosch seems to be of good quality, from what I read, it actually has a one-way turn, but one friend who has a series of 6 with a pump says that there is no clumping effect of clothes or bedding. Maybe when you had without a pump, this effect occurred? An expensive matter in Bosch is the lack of drum lighting - a good thing, but it is useful, and the automatic cleaning of the exchanger worries me a bit because the series 4 does not have this and the programs are the same as the series 6 and it is cheaper by PLN 200-300 I have an electrolux washing machine and I am curious if I can put Bosch on an electrolux washing machine with an electrolux connector. The connector is said to be universal and it is possible to put 60 cm dryers on it.

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freebsd wrote:

My dryer does not add even a tiny bit of humidity to the bathroom.

And what kind of dryer is it, if you can ask? Manufacturer / model?

Freebsd and you do not have an ordinary dryer without a pump - as I associate it, and then there is nothing to compare because it is a different principle of operation. With the heat pump, the dryer gives off some of the moisture to the outside, which is certain, when I put a cardboard of washing powder on it in such a way that it touched the wall and there was no air flow at the back, and thus the water condensed on the tiles. I don't know if the container inside is getting wet, I have a pile of laundry so I can check As for the turning, I forgot once and put the bedding on the cotton program instead of the bedding program and it started to make a ball because the cotton probably turns literally a few times in the other direction and at the end of the cycle which results in a turning. On the sheets, the drum rotates almost non-stop in both directions. I don't know, maybe I'm just unlucky and the twisting only haunts me, but it drove me crazy ;)

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I spent a lot of time on the dryer, but I mainly checked how the interior heats up during operation. The most important thing for me is that the washing is lukewarm throughout the cycle, I think that the things themselves heat up to 40-45 degrees, dry for less than 2 hours, sometimes less when there is little washing or only thin shirts. The rest, as if mnir, is not interested and I am glad that it works. Except that once or twice a month, I vacuum the exchanger, because the indicator that suggests cleaning it came on for me only twice, somehow after 150 cycles, I think it's definitely not enough. After one year of use, it is practically clean, without dust

Dorilll wrote:

Freebsd and you do not have an ordinary dryer without a pump - as I associate it, and then there is nothing to compare because it is a different principle of operation. With the heat pump, the dryer releases some of the moisture to the outside, which is certain

I have without a heat pump, but the principle of operation of a condenser dryer is one. The condensation of water vapor is to take place on a cold element inside the dryer. The internal air circulation in the dryer is to take place without replacement with the air in the bathroom. There is no reason why water vapor should escape. If it is otherwise, the dryer is simply not tight.

https://m.miele.pl/domestic/1576.htm?info=200147019-ZST&info=200147019-ZST#

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As I said, there are liquefaction classes. There is no option for the dryer to expel 100% dry air. Miele is probably the only one on the market with A class and it also says that it gives a small part of the steam to the environment, electrolux has B, so there is even more of it

A condenser dryer is not an exhaust dryer - seemingly trivial, but let's define the problem right away. When the dryer is leaking, moisture escapes. For me, nothing flows on pollen, nothing gets wet. After all, I do not buy a dryer to leave the moisture in my home. Laundry, items, etc. in the bathroom are dry when the clothes dryer is running. At the weekend, it can work almost all day. I even carried out humidity measurements: https://jackiewiczowie.blogspot.com/2014/04/suszarka-kondensacyjna-do-ubran-jaka.html
I read here which dryers with a heater are not good, and which ones are great with a heat pump, how some damage fabrics that get stuck and tear, how it gets hot (somehow I write about electricity consumption) j. Well, maybe it is, maybe it is not. There are different manufacturers and different models. Everyone buys what suits him best. Dryers with heating elements are also not without disadvantages:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/9477559/whirlp...calls-800000-tumble-dryers-free-replacements/

Freebsd of course you are right, after 2 or 3 drying the whole tank is full and there is a lot of it. I wrote that some small part gets outside, but by no means anything is wet, no objects. With the door open, there is practically no difference, but when you close the dryer in a small room without ventilation, it gets stuffy. At the back, my dryer has grilles and you can feel that air is flowing slightly through them, because inside it gets a mega hurricane while drying, the dryer takes a mass of air through the grates at the bottom and it gives back some of it, it has some steam in it, after all I sent it in link, this is the site grinds