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Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

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  • #421 18061694
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    And here could be another problem. There must be efficient ventilation in the bathroom. Recently, I felt that the bathroom was getting warmer than usual. I associated it with changes in bathroom furnishings, disturbance of air flow, because we added a wardrobe with sliding doors. It turned out, however, that the mesh filter in the ventilation grille was clogged.
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  • #422 18061813
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I just have the dryer on, I can clearly feel the air coming out at the back, and as for the condensation of the water, the handle itself is slightly damp, but the tank inside is dry for now, and it works for about 40 minutes already. Today, there are still a few drying sessions ahead of me on various programs, so if something changes I will let you know :)
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  • #423 18063987
    majka55
    Level 7  
    Hello everyone.
    A few years ago, I thought about buying a dryer, but it didn't happen at the time. Then I found information everywhere about avoiding the heat pump. That it is expensive, emergency, unprofitable with condensing pumps (in the sense that the price difference will not be paid back before the pump breaks down).
    With that in mind, I started looking for a dryer. The best budget is around PLN 1,500. The energy class does not matter, because we will have photovoltaic panels installed in the next few days.
    The dryer will be in the basement.

    As for the condensation ones, I liked the Elektrolux Perfect Care 600 EW6C428WP model for PLN 1600.

    Then I found this thread and we had to change the concept. Destruction of clothes at high temperatures is not an option and therefore we are looking for something cheap and good ? with a heat pump.
    This is where the Elektrolux Perfect Care 700 EW7H438BP model comes in for PLN 2,000
    But I can buy this used dryer for PLN 1,500. Bought in December (I saw the invoice). Supposedly used for the first 2 months (the owners bought it for a new home, but they have plenty of space for traditional drying and decided to sell it).

    We are also considering this option. If these pumps break down anyway, it may not be worth overpaying ... I am also looking for insurance for this equipment for a longer period, which you do not have to buy when buying, but you can later.

    But if it is not worth doing so, if you have to give at least PLN 2,000, maybe the recommended Elektrolux Perfect Care 800 EW8H458BP only costs at least PLN 2,300-2400. Which means almost a thousand more than the original budget ...
    How much is this 800 better than 700 in practice? 800 has these programs for wool etc. But the 700 should generally also be dried at low temperature due to the pump. Unless not as low as 800 ...? Or maybe it is not worth paying extra because 700 will also work well ...?

    Or maybe you can recommend something interesting from other companies? As cheap as possible, but for it to be good, preferably for years ...
  • #424 18064062
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    The cheaper one takes more electricity, dries a little longer and has a mixed program for only 3 kg and the one is already more expensive at 6, which is the whole washing machine. It works at a lower temperature than cotton, which only it really provides for a full load. I do not know how, in practice, when someone loads more laundry than the given program, whether the dryer will add time and dry until the end or whether the laundry will be damp. Here I have no experience anymore, but at home, when I put on synthetics, which provides for 3.5 kg, the laundry came out damp. Cotton does not dry at all

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    I have just recommended the dryer to my friends and I have rejected this perfect 700 for this reason, but I'm not sure if it is right

    Added after 9 [minutes]:

    A perfect care 800 has parameters like all dryers for over 3,000 and this convinces me. Everyone scares that the dryer with the pump breaks down, maybe it does, but in fact, all equipment quickly hits the trail, so following this trail, we should work by hand, wash it by hand and do not use phones and laptops ? in my dryer after a year of intensive use, the efficiency has not dropped a bit and I think it will take a few more years ;)
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  • #425 18064099
    majka55
    Level 7  
    In that case, we will be thinking about this 700 ... The more that there is an option to buy for PLN 1,500 ...
    Little drying is not a problem at the moment. In the bathroom we have a tiny 33 cm washing machine (up to 4 kg). We do laundry often, but it doesn't go non-stop yet. At most, it will have to, because our family will grow ? We will probably buy a bigger one only when the old one collapses (although she is 7 years old and she does not complain) and then we will also put it in the basement. If after this time the dryer will run flawlessly, we will probably cope with more laundry somehow. We will set the highest values more often ? because energy consumption will not be a problem. ?
  • #426 18064118
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I am glad that I helped. I think 700 can do it calmly

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    Just look at the condition of the filters, if they are not chafed because then you will have to change them
  • #428 18064754
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    And let me know how this mixed program is doing with more laundry, I'd like to know for the future :)
  • #429 18066393
    mangod
    Level 2  
    majka55 wrote:
    Hello everyone.
    A few years ago, I thought about buying a dryer, but it didn't happen at the time. Then I found information everywhere about avoiding the heat pump. That it is expensive, emergency, unprofitable with condensing pumps (in the sense that the price difference will not be paid back before the pump breaks down).
    With that in mind, I started looking for a dryer. The best budget is around PLN 1,500. The energy class does not matter, because we will have photovoltaic panels installed in the next few days.
    The dryer will be in the basement.

    As for the condensation ones, I liked the Elektrolux Perfect Care 600 EW6C428WP model for PLN 1600.

    Then I found this thread and we had to change the concept. Destruction of clothes at high temperatures is not an option and therefore we are looking for something cheap and good ? with a heat pump.
    This is where the Elektrolux Perfect Care 700 EW7H438BP model comes in for PLN 2,000
    But I can buy this used dryer for PLN 1,500. Bought in December (I saw the invoice). Supposedly used for the first 2 months (the owners bought it for a new home, but they have plenty of space for traditional drying and decided to sell it).

    We are also considering this option. If these pumps break down anyway, it may not be worth overpaying ... I am also looking for insurance for this equipment for a longer period, which you do not have to buy when buying, but you can later.

    But if it is not worth doing so, if you have to give at least PLN 2,000, maybe the recommended Elektrolux Perfect Care 800 EW8H458BP only costs at least PLN 2,300-2400. Which means almost a thousand more than the original budget ...
    How much is this 800 better than 700 in practice? 800 has these programs for wool etc. But the 700 should generally also be dried at low temperature due to the pump. Unless not as low as 800 ...? Or maybe it is not worth paying extra because 700 will also work well ...?

    Or maybe you can recommend something interesting from other companies? As cheap as possible, but for it to be good, preferably for years ...


    If you decide to buy this Electrolux, it suggests extending the standard 2-year warranty. Just not from some insurance company, but directly from Electrolux. When you call them on the helpline, ask them to send them by e-mail such an offer for an extension by 1 or 3 years, depending on how much money you want to spend on it (additional 3 years for PLN 468 or an additional year for PLN 192) A reasonable option seems to be 3- years, which gives you a total of 5 years of warranty for the device from the moment of purchase. If the dryer you write about is from December, it is quite young equipment, although mine is from November and it has gone sick :) As for the extension of the warranty directly at Electrolux plus, you always have original parts repaired by their authorized service or replacement of the equipment with a new one after some repairs there or if the repair is simply not profitable. You do not have to play with appraisers, as is the case with the extended warranty offered by insurers.

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    Dorilll wrote:
    I just have the dryer on, the back clearly feels likeair is leaking out, and as for water condensation, the handle itself is slightly damp, but the tank inside is dry for now, and it works for about 40 minutes already. Today, there are still a few drying sessions ahead of me on various programs, so if something changes I will let you know :)


    What do you mean on the back? Do you mean the grill at the top right under the top? For me, however, most blows through this hole, which is a handle from the water tank. When I put my fingers there (when the dryer comes a bit), I have them wet after a while. And the container itself, as I eject after 30-40 minutes of operation of the dryer (of course without stopping the drying), is wet / "sweaty" at the top, this matt white plastic in which water collects. If you run over it with your hand, there are traces on it and your hand is wet. It is completely dry only at the end of drying (about 15 minutes before the end), when there is a phase of cooling clothes with cool air, which seems to explain why it is completely dry in the last phase. However, before the fault, it was never wet, even during drying.
  • #430 18097848
    majka55
    Level 7  
    Dorilll wrote:
    And let me know how this mixed program is doing with more laundry, I'd like to know for the future :)


    Dryer bought on the weekend, just starting my wash and doing dryer tests. I will definitely let you know what the experience of using is ? as for more laundry, I will not have as much with a small washing machine ?
    Unless I make 2 washes on purpose and then drying it ?

    Added after 10 [minutes]:

    mangod wrote:

    If you decide to buy this Electrolux, it suggests extending the standard 2-year warranty. Just not from some insurance company, but directly from Electrolux. When you call them on the helpline, ask them to send them by e-mail such an offer for an extension by 1 or 3 years, depending on how much money you want to spend on it (additional 3 years for PLN 468 or an additional year for PLN 192) A reasonable option seems to be 3- years, which gives you a total of 5 years of warranty for the device from the moment of purchase. If the dryer you write about is from December, it is quite young equipment, although mine is from November and it has gone sick :) As for the extension of the warranty directly at Electrolux plus, you always have original parts repaired by their authorized service or replacement of the equipment with a new one after some repairs there or if the repair is simply not profitable. You do not have to play with appraisers, as is the case with the extended warranty offered by insurers.


    I did not know that Elektrolux has such an offer to buy, not when selling new equipment ? I call the hotline right away.
    What happened? Do you have this model what I or another?

    Added after 5 [hours] 40 [minutes]:

    If someone has Elektrolux products and there is no extended warranty, now may be a good time ?
    It turns out that by the end of August this insurance is cheaper by half ?
  • #431 18099460
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Rather, do not mix the laundry loads, dry what has been washed ;) What does it mean half cheaper? now I'm reading and my insurance is PLN 400, and it's probably not a promotional price
  • #432 18101787
    majka55
    Level 7  
    PLN 239 for 3 years. I talked to the cupcake on the hotline and from what she told me there is a promotion for all products. I didn't see it on the website, but first I chatted with them, then by phone and then they informed me about it. They prepared an offer for me (after providing all the data) and I received an email with a link to the payment page - this amount is there, so it is 100%. I have until the end of August to pay.
  • #433 18101859
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    And the dryer itself can do the trick? :)

    Added after 53 [seconds]:

    In fact, not enough, I will also think about this option ...
  • #434 18102036
    Borutka
    Level 29  
    Nice deal overall ...
    Produce after cheap so that it breaks after two years and still charge for it :D
    Please read whether the scope of this extended warranty is the same as that of the basic one. Because with so many years of operation, issues of natural wear (i.e. not failure) of some components may arise.
  • #435 18102091
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I called and it is. It is a guarantee with a plus, even if something is our fault. It also includes cleaning the condenser when the need arises. Thanks, Majka ;)

    Added after 7 [minutes]:

    And as for the failure rate, unfortunately it is so with everything. Nevertheless, thanks to this guarantee, for 5 years, she will not invest a penny in a dryer, while she works for me, I will buy a new one after 5 or 6 years with a clear conscience. It is not even known if this will actually be the case, so there is no need to panic because the equipment works like gold ;)
  • #436 18103304
    majka55
    Level 7  
    Dorilll wrote:
    And the dryer itself can do the trick? :)


    Yeah ... ? revelation ? I washed and dried the sheets, bed sheets, towels (crumbs ... ;) , coat ... thorough cleaning in progress ? And in winter it will only be a difference, especially after enlarging the family ?

    I am glad that I had the chance to repay you for good advice ?
    Maybe it is worth promoting it somewhere further on this forum? Except that I only know this thread ?
  • #437 18103345
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    That's great, you shouldn't shrink anything, I practically dry everything as it goes with a few exceptions and nothing happens. Now washing is a pleasure! ?
  • #438 18129174
    soulem
    Level 2  
    Hi to all,

    I see that Electrolux 700/800 series washing machines are quite recommended equipment (especially with extended warranty ;-) ) ... I'm just going to buy the equipment, unfortunately I have a mega-problem which model to choose. I hesitate between the two:

    1. ELECTROLUX EW8H458BP PerfectCare
    2. BOSCH WTW876S0PL

    Can someone suggest why Elcetrolux and not Bosch and why Bosch and not Electrolux? I look at all options and they are similar in both cases. I have a bit of pain in Bosch, the lack of left / right rotation of the drum, which theoretically affects less creasing ... I also care about a short time with the maximum (as much as possible) load, and whether it will have 10 or 15 programs, it probably doesn't do it to me. Energy efficiency is also appreciated ;-)

    Of course, when it comes to Electrolux, I will shoot at the manufacturer's warranty extension, but Bosch probably does not have it, only by external companies (?).

    Or maybe fly even higher and choose this one -> Electrolux EW9H378SP PerfectCare?

    The self-cleaning system of the capacitor and the A +++ class also speak for Bosch, but there is no translation of the door to the 'left hinge'.


    And I have a problem ... Will you help?
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  • #439 18130910
    Will Nottellyou
    Level 11  
    Hi,

    Visually, both are relatively OK, the parameters are similar, but the LUX can be packed with 1KG of wool and half a kilogram into Bosch. In Bosch, I do not see a hose to attach directly to the sewage system, in LUX it is as an additional something to buy. And the price is probably at the end, Bosch a thousand more expensive than LUX. Whether the program is longer or shorter is the kind in the laboratory - one thing in the laboratory and the other on the planet Earth - most of these devices have a moisture sensor (from those I have come across) and will dry until the laundry is dry, sometimes longer and sometimes shorter...
  • #440 18131025
    soulem
    Level 2  
    @will Nottellyou thanks a lot for the answer.

    He realizes that the drying time itself may differ from what the manufacturer gives, but it still gives some picture.

    I have just checked the dimensions where the dryer should stand and the maximum depth of the LUX is 662 and I have 660 from the wall to the door of the wardrobe - wonderful :| We will see.

    majka55 wrote:
    If someone has Elektrolux products and there is no extended warranty, now may be a good time ?
    It turns out that by the end of August this insurance is cheaper by half ?


    Dorilll wrote:
    I called and it is. It is a guarantee with a plus, even if something is our fault. It also includes cleaning the condenser when the need arises. Thanks, Majka ;)


    I can't call the hotline and on Facebook I say that the promotion of dryers does not include ... :|
  • #441 18147816
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    Does anyone know about pump dryers which company and / or a specific model is the easiest to maintain and the cheapest to repair after warranty? from the movies watched on repairs on youtube, the Bosch brands prevail, unfortunately as emergency ones. I mean access to the exchangers where is the easiest way to disassemble, remove and clean? from what I saw the tubes are rigid, but for example in the video below (6:44) the pan bends both exchangers up in the Whirlpool dryer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgVX_k3xvf4&t=235s
  • #442 18147915
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    piokrza wrote:
    le eg in the video below (6:44) pan bends both exchangers upwards in a Whirlpool dryer
    One would like to write more bluntly, but it will be enough "but swamp".
  • #443 18147926
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    Unfortunately, these remnants of fibers lie there and probably rot in this water, giving a nice odor ... like from a sink siphon. And wash the layman will not wash because there is no access. Who takes the dryer apart to clean it? Rather not a consumer. Even "self-cleaning" of the capacitor, as it is in Bosch, does not give much when looking at other videos on youtube. A perfect example of a design for the planned aging of disposable items in their purest form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ-2l_gC9RE When I watch these pump dryers in supermarkets, they all look almost the same from the side of the condenser flooded in plastic. One-off "2 years to the warranty" is shocking. With the purchase of a new one, I will wait until they fix these construction errors. So far, only Miele in the Professional version already knows how to deal with the problems of consumer dryers, although in its non-professional counterparts it only uses an additional replaceable sponge filter in front of the evaporator that I have seen only in Beko. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ_lNZ7f2oo
  • #444 18148226
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    In my electrolux, this is how the exchanger looks after more than a year of use, on average 5 times a week. It cleans once a month, it takes me 5 minutes. The top one has a double. So it seems to me that this construction works. I would like to add that there are 3 identical copies in the family, both of them rock it nice ;)
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  • #445 18148263
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Dorilll wrote:
    In my electrolux, this is what the exchanger looks like after more than a year of use, on average 5 times a week.
    Can it be cleaned? - because it is about to overgrow.
  • #446 18148544
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    As I mentioned, I do it once a month, nothing overgrows :) Perfectly clean will never be, just like a water jacket in a dishwasher or a heater in a washing machine. I don't understand the irony

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    After a year of use, the dishwasher has a dirty coat, but it does not affect its operation, unless after many years. But is this normal? Or is it just better to wash the dishes in the sink?
  • #447 18148596
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    As for the dishwasher and coat, I will throw in - when after 12 years (in 2017) the programmer in the Bosch dishwasher fell and it was only suitable for scrap (programmer cost PLN 500) I started it and you would not want to see what I found in the coat, all "labyrinth" plumbing, bowl, all hoses and tubes inside. If someone wants to know, I suggest you unscrew the siphon under the sink and see what is behind / in it. This black slush has been in contact with the "washed" water for years - both in the Eco 50 degrees C and normal 65 degrees C program. This mold and bacteria along with dishes and food served on them could poison the body of the household for years. It is widely known that mold and fungi consumed in food contribute to the development of cancer. Washing in the dishwasher is not indifferent to health and as hygienic as the proponents say, "boil everything". Certain strains of mushrooms can be poured with hot water and harsh dishwashing chemicals, also with salt, and it won't do anything. Since then, incl. for this reason I wash the dishes by hand and I do not use the "pressure cooker" which "washes" the dishes in the decomposing corners of the remains ...
  • #448 18148616
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    But where dirty it is usually dirty water channels where the water is drained. Where the water is held, no more than a stone is collected. Probably no one in the world has poisoned themselves because of the dishwasher ... ;) I personally value a dishwasher most of all home appliances, even more than a dryer. My old Bosch was 10 years old and I saw a coat before I put it in the trash, it was not that bad ;)

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    And I will add that it does not rinse dishes and wash everything in the dishwasher, including pans and greasy baking trays ;)
  • #449 18149926
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    For me it was so dirty between the plastic bowl screwed into the bottom and its fixed elements (screws) covering the inside of the dishwasher and there was nothing in the manual about cleaning these places. After 10 years, when it started to fail, I turned on and shock ... almost like in an animated advertisement for a Finish cleaner or some Domestos. What was dead there, I don't want to know.

    Coming back to the topic, today I was in the neonette to see dryers and washer-dryers with a load of 8 kg and above. I was able to talk to the seller. Interestingly, they do not have stock and do not order dryers without a heat pump. The dryer models I saw belonged to Bosch, Electrolux, Samsung and Beko. The latter is currently available in the best energy efficiency class A +++ and condensation class A. In addition, it has a program for drying quilts ("You can dry clothes filled with down or
    suitable for tumble drying as one item of laundry. You can dry a king size duvet, pillow or coats
    as one item of laundry. Dry clothes, such as coats and jackets, turned inside out ") and night clothes (" In this program, the noise level of the appliance is at its lowest. The noise level is fifty percent lower compared to the "Wardrobe dry - cotton" program ;) . Interestingly, despite the better energy class, this dryer dries shorter and uses less energy than competitors in the A ++ and A + class and B condensation [/ u]
  • #450 18150224
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    How much do you care about a dryer without a heat pump, I will gladly sell you my Bosch because it is cluttered with me. Perfect technical condition, works flawlessly, but as if what losses in things I do not take responsibility ?
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The discussion revolves around the comparison between Bosch's heat pump dryer model WTW85460PL and conventional condensing dryers. Users express concerns about the reliability and maintenance of heat pump dryers, citing high repair costs and potential breakdowns. Many recommend traditional condensing dryers for their simplicity and lower failure rates. The Bosch WTG86400PL is frequently mentioned as a reliable alternative. Users highlight the importance of energy efficiency, drying quality, and the impact of drying temperatures on clothing longevity. The conversation also touches on the practicality of self-cleaning condensers and the overall user experience with various brands and models.
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