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Bosch Condenser Tumble Dryer: Comparing WTW85460PL Heat Pump Model and Conventional Options

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  • #481 18160459
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Bosch, I have a family in Germany and most of their friends have had hair dryers there for a long time. All of them were without pump, Miele and most of them fire escape. Indeed, for them it is the basis and they are satisfied with them, nevertheless each of them used them with prudence and they dried a lot on a string, because each of them admitted that a lot of things were not suitable for the dryer. Thus, they had to wash in 3 washing machines, for example, they had a lot of laundry hanging up. I know you're headed to the fact that maybe Bosch does, I don't know, I don't argue. But I wouldn't believe that two major companies specializing in household appliances would have that too. I price my dryer for the fact that without much thought I throw everything into it without any losses. Do you also dry in your shirts, suit pants or some delicate formal dresses? If so, you are actually lucky with your dryer :) I will add that I was drying even woolen sweaters and nothing happened to them, they got a second life. I think that most of the equipment nowadays will serve us for 5-6 years, and during this time I will have to clean it once, I think it will survive, worse if I had to do it non-stop, you would actually have to think about it. So far, everything works flawlessly, the drying time has not been extended by a minute and I hope that this condition will last as long as possible ;)
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  • #482 18160474
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Dorilll wrote:
    Do you also dry in your shirts, suit pants or some delicate formal dresses?

    This year I dismantled the completely suspended dryer on the balcony. We have stopped using it since we purchased the "classic" condenser dryer. An extendable balcony dryer used for airing e.g. bedding :-) We have been drying only in the dryer for several years. I take the suits to the laundry; they are more expensive than the dryer. Wool sweaters go to the dryer - gentle program! Some modern plastic membranes (jackets) also only a delicate program. I have a lot of thick undersuits (for sports) made of wool and modern plastics. Also gentle program. Ah, I don't dry my shoes in the dryer :-D
  • #483 18160479
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Well, the shoes and I do not dry because I'm afraid they will collapse and they and the drum ... in fact, you must have a unique model without a pump, or simply newer without a pump, they also do not dry at such high temperatures. My old dryer is about 12-13 years old and maybe it works differently, I don't know and I don't want to get into it anymore :)

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    Or just mine was broken and overheating from the beginning
  • #484 18160713
    memonotes
    Level 1  
    Good morning,
    I need to buy a dryer - after reading the posts, I chose two models:
    Elektrolux EW8H359SP (9kg, A ++) price 2500
    Bosch WTW85561PL (9kg, A ++) price 2600

    The possibility of draining the condensate to the sewage system is important to me. The advantage of ele is the movement of the drum in both directions and the possibility of extending the warranty by 3 years for PLN 400, on the other hand, I have quite a lot of confidence in Bosch products.

    Which one would you choose - or something else?

    ps I understand that any dryer can be mounted under the counter? (I have such a kitchen countertop as a working counter in the utility room)
  • #485 18161738
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #486 18162510
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    Until now, I have used a Bosch exhaust air dryer, but only occasionally due to the power consumption. Now I'm thinking about one with a Bosch or Siemens heat pump and min. incl. 8kg, but I also want the washing machine with the same capacity. I can see that everything on the market is disposable, and the 4.5 kg washing machine I use at home has just turned 23 .. On a well-known auction site, someone puts up many washing machines and dryers with pumps at the prices of PLN 500-800 Bosch / Siemens still Made in Germany. Is it worth it? On the other hand, I do not think spending 4,000. for a set of new ones, because the washing machine + dryer I want goes even for PLN 1800-2200 as it is so emergency that it will barely last until the warranty and a few years after.


    At the IFA 2019 electronics fair, which is just taking place in Berlin, Bosch presents a new heat pump dryer with some redesigned filters right in front of the exchanger, it looks intriguing. I wonder how this technology will work outside their laboratory ...

    0:59




    in fact, they are already writing about it with us .. https://www.bosch-home.pl/promocje/autoclean

    rinsing takes place not from the porous fins of the exchanger, which was ineffective in previous generations, but from a plastic strainer and into a container with the same strainer, so these farfobs will no longer get to the pump and the entire installation of the upper water container at the bottom of the condenser ... at least in theory



  • #487 18162625
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Why do you assume in advance that you will break down immediately, it also depends on how you hit, but with this approach, from household appliances we would only have a stove and a refrigerator and a rtv TV ... if you want to reduce the risk of failure, buy Miele, I already have many years and I can recommend it with a clear conscience. As for this dryer, it is an interesting patent, but it will cost so much that it will be more profitable to buy a cheaper one for about 2,000 and have it cleaned after a few years or buy a new one ...
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  • #488 18164256
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    Most users break down. Besides, we have the era of disposable non-repair products. All the "news" I had at home that were supposed to make my life easier and save money, deteriorated faster than the crude, energy-consuming 30-year-olds ..
  • #489 18165366
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I am so lucky so far, because I have few equipment breakdowns at home. The dishwasher died after 10 years, where she washed at least once a day, not counting any family gatherings. And in turn, I remember I used to have a fleece washing machine grace and probably everything was replaced in it except the engine and in addition it had 300 revolutions when bagging and the laundry rotted in the attic before it dried ... How am I supposed to compare washing from 15-20 years ago, and now with a washing machine and dryer it is a total abyss and I would probably never switch to an ordinary fleece or windscreen with even a 30-year warranty?
  • #490 18165582
    Borutka
    Level 29  
    piokrza wrote:
    Most users break down. Besides, we have the era of disposable non-repair products. All the "news" I had at home that were supposed to make my life easier and save money, deteriorated faster than the crude, energy-consuming 30-year-olds ..

    These 30 years ago there was a different equipment, but the price was also different. A 24-liter microwave oven with a grill in Germany cost 1500 DM (German marks), which is PLN 3000 without taking into account inflation. The German's salary was not enough for an average washing machine. I spent 4 salaries on my first Polar and it was still broken - under the Polish People's Republic it was probably the norm, because the Daniel turntable did not work from the very beginning. And also the question of what now and for how much a statistical German or British is buying, and what a Pole is buying ... Admittedly, expensive ones can also break down. But dogs always eat cheap meat, no matter if it's sausage, hairspray or washing machine.
    I used to check ... a popular LG washing machine model on the British market costs PLN 3000. I wonder how many Poles bought it ...
    Returning to the dryer with a pump ... the main thing is to clean the filter absolutely after each drying. In addition, plastic fibers from cheap fabrics (and of course not intended for drying) can also permanently stick to the airflow path. Also, following the operating instructions for the equipment and clothing is very important.
  • #491 18169227
    mat12eusz
    Level 1  
    Hello, I am planning to buy an Electrolux EW8H458BP dryer and a connection to a washing machine with a slightly different question. The washing machine I have is the Amica TAW6123DCIWT, the top is about 48 cm deep, how can I connect these devices? The available fasteners are for washing machines and dryers of a very similar depth.
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  • #492 18173787
    lukiiiii
    Level 29  
    Wholesaler of furniture parts and carving.
  • #493 18185056
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    Borutka, you are right. I remember when my mother bought the first automatic Bosch washing machine produced in Poland in Łódź (1996), it cost PLN 1300, the WFA2070 model and has it working to this day. However, it was so much money back then that she took it in installments. Today, even working for a minimum of everyone in Poland, can afford an automatic washing machine, because it costs even less than half the salary. Only then, people did not have the choice of today, there was not as much disposable equipment as it is being produced and there was no such competition. So the equivalent of that Bosch would probably be a Miele washing machine for PLN 7,000 today

    Perhaps I will refrain from the first reviews of these new Bosch Auto Clean dryers, because it seems to me an interesting patent for a self-cleaning solution for the filter, not just the condenser.
  • #494 18185072
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    I can only confirm the quality of the grind, I bought it in Germany for 1,200 euro 8 years ago. Piore practically every day and definitely differs from other washing machines, even those for 3,000, work culture, programs, huge tolerance to spinning unbalanced loads, etc., makes it, in my opinion, the best washing machine on the market
  • #495 18185131
    Borutka
    Level 29  
    Dorilll wrote:
    I can only confirm the quality of the grinds

    It is true that this manufacturer only has a bagless vacuum cleaner (CX1). Having so far the seemingly innovative and very efficient Dysons, you can feel the art of designing and manufacturing the device in every detail from Miele. The banal dusting itself also provides pleasant sensations. Ba ... the very sound of the engine's work makes you feel positively at work. When it comes to the efficiency of work and the culture of operating the device, it is undoubtedly the top device in its class. Miele is still Miele
  • #496 18185148
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Let it stay that way, in 2020 they are opening their factory in Poland and I am a little afraid of this, whether the counterweight will be still cast iron and whether the drum for the drum is still metal and whether it will still weigh almost 100 kg ... time will tell
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  • #497 18186770
    piokrza
    Level 27  
    From what I can see Miele enters the market "affordable" so ... once a washing machine below PLN 5,000 it could not be Miele. Today it is shocking that they have already from PLN 2999, how?!
  • #498 18186893
    Will Nottellyou
    Level 11  
    I think all the producers are now in a gang. I like Miele, but their quality also flew. Our dryers cost about 5,000 each and mechanically for several years there have been no problems, but here something broke, something fell off there. It does not bother you, but it irritates you. What Dyson is, we have their mass in the family, the eldest is 10 years old and walks like he walked after taking him out of the box - Rainbow who is 30 years old also flies and I like him very much LOL, the newest Dyson is probably two years old, unfortunately it is battery operated and all the plastics suck completely - broken flap from releasing the drum, from the battery, etc. and actually all the tape is stuck. works, but his Mac's cock cost a lot of money. The premium Bosch class also has these faults - mechanically it's ok, but the packaging is falling apart ...
  • #499 18191608
    piopedro
    Level 12  
    Gentlemen

    This thread goes on for several years, that's why I'm lost ..... why?

    I need to buy a dryer soon. And I don't know

    Is condensing still the best choice considering what many of you wrote here, or have heat pumps "improved" ??

    If condensing, what do you recommend for today?

    thanks for your advice!

    Pedro
  • #500 18191665
    Will Nottellyou
    Level 11  
    It goes on because there is no unambiguous factual answer. But even if it were, everyone would do what they see fit - for him. in my humble opinion; the technique is moving forward and the equipment is generally better in terms of performance but much inferior in terms of quality / build and post warranty service costs are outrageous.
  • #501 18191748
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Piopedro, when you buy a dryer (for me at the moment, only the heat pump counts), I guarantee that you will be so happy with the equipment that you will survive the failure after a few years and buy another one without remorse. We insisted on these dryers and, as I said, everything is now expensive to repair, e.g. bearings in a washing machine when the entire drum needs to be replaced (fortunately, I have never had bearings in any washing machine) or, for example, heaters in a dishwasher where you need to replace the entire pump washing for PLN 500. Therefore, buy a dryer and enjoy using it, not failing in time ... ?
  • #502 18191767
    Will Nottellyou
    Level 11  
    Dorilll wrote:
    Piopedro, when you buy a dryer (for me at the moment, only the heat pump counts), I guarantee that you will be so happy with the equipment that you will survive the failure after a few years and buy another one without remorse. We insisted on these dryers and, as I said, everything is now expensive to repair, e.g. bearings in a washing machine when the entire drum needs to be replaced (fortunately, I have never had bearings in any washing machine) or, for example, heaters in a dishwasher where you need to replace the entire pump washing for PLN 500. Therefore, buy a dryer and enjoy using it, not failing in time ... ?

    I will sign under it. Buy what you like and enjoy it. And if it falls, take one day to play and if you fail, next please. And that's about it.
  • #503 18191775
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Exactly, it can't be otherwise

    Added after 10 [minutes]:

    Focus more on the programs, the filtration system and take something at the lowest possible price and within good parameters. More like 2300-2500 you shouldn't spend on a dryer, it's not worth thinking
  • #504 18192689
    piopedro
    Level 12  
    Thanks gentlemen

    Honestly, I use PerfectCare 600 without a pump - it costs less than PLN 2,000. Additionally, it is a few centimeters thinner in depth. which makes me so much.

    Energy? After 10 years, maybe I will overpay the 1000 which I will spend less on the purchase without a pump ... (because with a pump it makes sense about 3000 PLN)

    Tell me, does a dryer without a pump radiate heat or moisture to the outside?

    Because mine will be in the closet in the hallway. So heat is okay, but moisture can.
  • #505 18192952
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    It makes sense with a pump, even electrolux costs just 2200 perfect care 700 and it makes sense with the parameters of the most expensive dryers is perfect care 800 for 2400

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Without a pump, it heats the room much more, but with the amount of moisture it is rather similar, i.e. practically zero
  • #506 18193073
    piopedro
    Level 12  
    Yes I know :) I have already selected PC 800 SteamCare

    The only problem was that the new PC with pumps are too deep (about 66cm) and this model does not fit into the cabinet ... :(

    And I care about E. because they have the option of buying a guarantee of up to 5 years.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Will Nottellyou wrote:

    I will sign under it. Buy what you like and enjoy it. And if it falls, take one day to play and if you fail, next please. And that's about it.


    If it will fall after 2.5 years, such fun is rather expensive :) (without extended warranty)
  • #507 18193140
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    I have a hair dryer and I am surprised how it will heat the room. A nightmare.
  • #508 18193263
    Dorilll
    Level 17  
    Piopedro is when you buy without a pump, let me know if you are not shrinking things. Earlier I had Bosch without a heat pump and it only broke it for 40 minutes because when I set it to full drying, at least half of it was shrunken or faded, a nightmare and I would never come back to it. Now I throw everything into the dryer, without much thought, even delicate sweaters and nothing happens. However, as we wrote earlier, maybe only Bosch has it, or my laundry has overheated since the news, because others also have no pump and such problems do not occur
  • #509 18193472
    Agnieszka300780
    Level 8  
    I do not recommend Electrolux, my dryer is 15 mussels. The service was disconnected and found that it was dirty, even though the filter inside was cleaned with a vacuum cleaner after each use. They order you to pay for cleaning .... Even though the dryer makes strange noises.
    Heat pump dryer. In my opinion, it will not be a regret to dump it in the trash to buy relatively cheap equipment.
  • #510 18193513
    piopedro
    Level 12  
    Do any of you know how SHARPs perform?

    It is now at a fairly interesting price KD-HHH7S7GW2 - and it fits in the cupboard in terms of size ... but I cannot find an opinion about disease and I would not like to be an experimental mouse for SHARP on the Polish market :)

Topic summary

The discussion centers on choosing between Bosch condenser tumble dryers with and without heat pump technology, focusing on the Bosch WTW85460PL heat pump model and conventional condenser models like the WTB86201PL and WTG86400PL. Heat pump dryers offer lower energy consumption (approximately half) and gentler drying at lower temperatures (~55°C vs. 80°C), which reduces fabric damage. However, they have longer drying times, higher purchase and repair costs (notably expensive heat pump replacements), and require regular cleaning of densely finned heat exchangers that are difficult to access. Conventional condenser dryers are simpler, more reliable, easier and cheaper to maintain, and dry faster but consume more energy and generate more ambient heat, which can be beneficial in colder months. Energy consumption measurements show heat pump dryers use less electricity per drying cycle but the payback period depends on usage frequency and electricity costs. Users report mixed experiences with heat pump dryers regarding durability and maintenance complexity. The discussion also covers practical aspects such as placing dryers on washing machines using Bosch connectors, cleaning procedures for heat exchangers, and the impact of spin speed on drying efficiency. Other brands like Electrolux, AEG, Whirlpool, Hotpoint-Ariston, Candy, Gorenje, and Miele are mentioned, with some users sharing negative experiences with Electrolux heat pump models due to early failures. Overall, the consensus leans toward conventional Bosch condenser dryers for reliability and ease of maintenance, while heat pump models are favored for energy savings and fabric care if budget and maintenance are manageable.
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