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Acoustic amplifier for those who hear differently

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  • #61 21145025
    CMS
    Administrator of HydePark
    acctr wrote:
    that the insect would fall into the bat's mouth.


    And here is an interesting fact unrelated to the topic, but related to bats. They more often catch insects with their "hand" than with their muzzle.
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  • #63 21145061
    CMS
    Administrator of HydePark
    Well, because he has fingers on his elbow :) .
  • #64 21145293
    bratHanki
    Level 38  
    acctr wrote:
    bratHanki wrote:
    If you are standing next to someone talking can you only hear them when you are in front or when you are standing next to or even behind them?.
    .
    And how are you supposed to hear? only straight ahead? why not sideways? this is anatomy and drawing conclusions about the nature of sound based on it is a bit infantile.

    Well, that's right, I hear sideways because there's something to hear on the sides too, because that's the nature of sound wave propagation in the low ranges. The example with netcopters is not quite right because they locate their prey by ultrasound and these are eminently directional. The lower the frequency, the more difficult it is to locate the sound source, which is why music systems have a common bass channel that can be placed anywhere and why satellites reproducing midrange and treble should be positioned at specific locations in relation to the listener because, thanks to the physiology of our hearing, we are able to accurately locate sound sources at higher frequencies.
    Adult males have an average fundamental frequency of around 120 Hz, while adult females have an average of around 210 Hz, a range that is not particularly directional, meaning that two microphones placed next to each other, no matter at what angle, will pick up almost the same signal.
    Two years ago I had my hearing tested. The audiologist was surprised that, at 64 years of age, I could still hear 12-13 kHz. So she checked me on the bone and, to her surprise, I repeated the result.
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  • #65 21151213
    PiotrPitucha
    Level 34  
    Hello
    I would approach this from a different angle, this circuit is like from the time of Janusz Wojciechowski, that is from the 1960s.
    First of all, I would do it on an operational amplifier, preferably quadruple, necessarily R2R, because all designs like TL082 with power supply from a single Lion cell can be put between the fairy tales.
    For example, something from the MCP6042 or 6044 series, resting current 600nA (nanoamperage), supplying 1.2V to 6V, bandwidth up to 14kHz is completely sufficient for such instruments.
    With the relatively high efficiency of today's headphones, you can plug directly into the amplifier output without additional terminal transistors.
    With four amplifiers, you may be tempted to use frequency correction and/or tone mapping.
    Regards
  • #66 21151475
    Janusz_kk
    Level 39  
    PiotrPitucha wrote:
    the bandwidth up to 14kHz is quite sufficient for such instruments.
    .
    Well when not, at a gain of 10 such an amplifier will have ~1.5khz bandwidth:( this is far too low.
    Better would be MCP6L04T, it has admittedly higher current because 85uA but also 1Mhz bandwidth, and it is definitely cheaper :) because it doesn't cost 12 zł only 3:) and the same has power supply 2.7 to 6V.
    https://www.tme.eu/pl/details/mcp6l04t-e_sl/wzmacniacze-operacyjne-smd/microchip-technology/
    But in general you are right, compression and filters are needed and this is hard to do without an opamp.
  • #67 21151481
    yego666
    Level 33  
    @ PiotrPitucha .
    Your proposal is thoroughly modern and undoubtedly achieves excellent performance, but it has several drawbacks.

    1. lack of a diagram
    2. the need to purchase new parts to make the device
    3. no demonstration of a working and tested device.

    Maybe if I had one of the circuits you mentioned, I would be tempted to try to make such a device, but I find it more appealing to make things based on elements I have at hand (usually recycled ones), which greatly reduces the time of production and probably costs as well.
    Instead of buying something new, I can make a circuit giving a "second life" to working components doomed to extinction.

    Maybe one of my colleagues, who is not satisfied with the presented construction, will make and present an amplifier based on your rather imprecise description.

    I suppose that in some time some tube enthusiast will propose a tube-based design. And good, because maybe it will inspire someone :) .
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  • #68 21151528
    PiotrPitucha
    Level 34  
    Hello
    An amplifier like an amplifier, you can try it on any operational amplifier, amplifiers on operational amplifiers work as simple as voltage dividers :) only instead of dividing they amplify the signal.
    I could cite dozens of solutions, but they all boil down to one solution, like this one for example:
    Link .
    The only difference is in the circuit I was proposing because you can feed it with a lower voltage.
    Compressors unless they are made on dedicated circuits also have a similar design, the rectified voltage from the output controls a component that limits the voltage coming from the microphone, for example:
    Link ]
    By connecting such blocks together, we can build circuits with a gain tailored to the specific microphone and headphones you have.
    The circuit can be simulated in any analysis software, although with operational amplifiers, the amplification can be seen on the schematic as if on the palm of your hand.
    So that you don't have to bother, there are ready-made circuits that take care of compression , noise gates, etc. For example:
    Link
    Greetings

    Added after 17 [minutes]:

    Hello
    Janusz_kk with the bandwidth you are right, I gave the amplifier as an example of an R2R amplifier with a low supply voltage, I myself used the MCP607 for similar purposes, which in addition has excellent DC performance.
  • #69 21151790
    Janusz_kk
    Level 39  
    PiotrPitucha wrote:
    To take the headache out of it, there are ready-made circuits that take care of compression, noise gates, etc. , for example:
    Link
    .
    And that's it, one small cube and it takes care of the whole thing, only the headphone amp and the filter are missing, something really needs to be done here.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the construction of a custom acoustic amplifier designed for individuals with hearing difficulties. The author shares their experience in building the device, which utilizes a modified circuit based on the MAX9814 amplifier. Key improvements were made to address issues such as high resting current and noise, achieved through simulations in LTSpice. Participants suggest enhancements, including dual-channel configurations with two microphones and headphones for better sound localization, and the use of operational amplifiers like TL071 and TL072 for improved performance. Various components and configurations are discussed, including the use of transistors, diodes, and integrated circuits to optimize sound quality and reduce distortion. The conversation also touches on practical challenges, such as isolating the microphone from unwanted noise and the emotional impact of improved hearing on the user.
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