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  • #121 21288580
    tronics
    Level 38  
    Have you forgotten what you were writing about? Because I was writing about the WFD footage and the kids exposed to quartz, and you jumped out that this is NOT about vitamin D, but about BILIRUBIN. Even though that is precisely NOT what it is about, because there are no newborns with jaundice in the film, and the quartz lamp neither provides the right spectrum nor the exposure could be long enough.
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    Blue light irradiation (I think around "royal blue") is used in neonatal jaundice when the body cannot cope with bilirubin on its own.
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    This is an excerpt from my comment, which mentioned both kids with quartz lamps and, as I think is evident, the treatment of jaundice with blue light. You commented on the specific passage about the kids and the quartz lamp, that it is not about vitamin D but about supporting bilirubin reduction. So I ask where is this opinion coming from?

    I would just like to add that my guess as to "what UV irradiation was for" is substantiated, among other things, by this passage from the wikipedia article on rickets:
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    In 1919, Kurt Huldschinsky applied heliotherapy using an artificial source of UV radiation to treat rickets[9].
    In the first decades of the 20th century, it was discovered that a fat-soluble factor called vitamin D, different from vitamin A, had an anti-rickets effect. In 1924, Hess and Weinstock[10] and Steenbock[11] proved that exposure of certain products to ultraviolet radiation confers anti-curvature properties.

    So it would be nice if a colleague would finally address whether the beavers exposed to quartz lamps were for jaundice control or for the production of vitamin D to counteract rickets (or for yet another purpose). Because you still haven't done so, and are only reproducing this information, which is well known and in this topic it was I who first presented it.

    As for the importance of vitamin D in the treatment of fractures:
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9610653/
    Which comes as absolutely no surprise to me.... of course, one has to be careful with vitamin D, because an overdose has even more unpleasant consequences. And yes, in certain concentrations it will also hinder fusion instead of aiding it. However, these are not the concentrations you can get with natural sources of vitamin D.
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  • #122 21288590
    acctr
    Level 38  
    tronics wrote:
    Are you already forgetting what you were writing about? Because I wrote about the WFD footage and the kids being exposed to quartz, you jumped out that THIS IS NOT ABOUT VITAMIN D, but BILIRUBIN. Even though that's exactly NOT what it's about, because there are no newborns with jaundice in the film, and the quartz lamp neither provides the right spectrum nor the exposure could be long enough.

    You are mainly concerned with bending the medical facts (which I have presented) to your fb video of beavers, but unfortunately the facts are clear and what you saw in the fb video is not necessarily what you think it is.

    Going back to osteoblasts and the treatment of bone fractures, you are also shooting yourself in the foot by contradicting the fact that their stimulation is not a treatment.
    tronics wrote:
    The laser itself DOES NOT cure the fracture. It accelerates the proliferation of osteoblasts in the initial 2 weeks and generally that is it.

    The primary purpose of treatment of pharmacological osteoporosis is to prevent fractures. This goal can be achieved by influencing the basic processes occurring during bone remodelling, i.e. resorption (antiresorptive drugs) and/or bone formation ( anabolic drugs ). (...)
    Anabolic drugs mainly stimulate new bone formation (due to a stimulatory effect on osteoblasts) and to a lesser extent bone resorption. They have a beneficial effect on the macro- and micro-architecture of bone tissue, which ultimately manifests itself in a reduced propensity to fracture.

    Source .
    In short, stimulating osteoblasts is treatment (with anabolics). Laser does the same thing (you also stated this yourself) so it is also a treatment (which you denied).
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  • #123 21288755
    tronics
    Level 38  
    acctr wrote:
    You are mainly concerned with bending the medical facts (which I have presented) to your fb video of the beavers, but unfortunately the facts are clear and what you saw in the fb video is not necessarily what you think it is .
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    Unfortunately you are the one trying to bend the facts, you are the one who interjected yourself into the developing offtopic regarding light therapy and you misinterpreted what I wrote about in an attempt to push your vision. You didn't like FB so I provided a link to the repository where this film from the Documentary Film Studio can be found. You continue to ramble on with your fantasies instead of looking at the source and revising your views. And no, what I saw in the film is what I think and what I have described here. And it is not what you have described.

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    Returning to osteoblasts and the treatment of bone fractures, you are also shooting yourself in the foot by denying that their stimulation is not a treatment.
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    Well if it is, then you are shooting yourself in the foot by claiming that stimulating vitamin D production by UVB irradiation is not a treatment for fractures and downplaying the role of vitamin D in bone formation by arguing "no local effect". You are chasing your heel. But you obviously like it that way. I don't.
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  • #124 21289042
    acctr
    Level 38  
    tronics wrote:
    about kids with quartz lamps, and - as I think is evident - the treatment of jaundice with blue light
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    tronics wrote:
    I provided a link to the repository where this film from the Documentary Film Studio can be found
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    You provided a link to a black and white film from 1951. Maybe you used your imagination, or maybe the charming voiceover made the rest up to suit your theories, I don't know, but looking at the black and white material it is hard to see the blue colour there, don't you agree?
    To sum up, you are using a propaganda film from the early days of the Polish People's Republic, when Stalin had not yet come up with the idea of presenting Poles with the Pawiak Museum. I, on the other hand, use contemporary and credible material in my argumentation.
    What I had to write I have written, further discussion with you is pointless because the warning light of the "detected flat-earther" has been blinking intensely for a long time.
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  • #125 21289388
    gulson
    System Administrator
    Let me lock the topic, if you wish to unlock the topic, please contact me from the author of the construction :) .

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