How old are you guys? quantum mechanics was developed in 1920, so that comes out to well over 100
Longevity is probably the result of using unconventional 'therapies' 😉 .
Interesting quotes from the early days of the portal, the aforementioned radio pirates especially in Krakow were quite active and broadcast competing programmes. On the other hand, the transmitter material was a source of knowledge and not an injunction to be a pirate and risk being tracked by PAR.
The zappers were popular in those days, which I laughed to the hilt at.... These were waveform generators with adjustable frequency, a Vpp of 9V and two cylindrical electrodes to hold in your hands. All for the price of half of a used Polonez.... I laughed at the gullible people treating themselves with zpers even though I had as much evidence of their ineffectiveness as their sellers had of their effectiveness, i.e. zero.... So I was also presenting my opinion at the time and not the result of some study....
Pipes bullies were indeed a nuisance and drippers even worse now they would probably be censored or reported as dangerous. As would inventions that interfere with the TV remote control, or torches with LED IR that send codes to turn off RTV equipment e.g. TV-B-Gone. There are toys available that can give you a heart attack when they play a pre-recorded message in the basement after detecting movement 😉 echobot https://www.ministerstwogadzetow.com/echo-bot.html
Do you distinguish between water electrolysis and H and O synthesis? It appears that you do not.
And a colleague is able to end ignorance and cynicism? It would appear not. We were talking about H2 and O2 formed when charging a battery and how they are safely and explosion free recombinant. Because it was a colleague who stated that H2 and O2 combine explosively. Has he forgotten what he wrote already? No. Then let him go back to it and refer to it, rather than pointing out the ignorance of others.
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And you yourself cited that these devices have a CE, in support of their miraculous medical properties.
No, I invoked the CE to show that it is not the product of a tinkerer friend. You still haven't proven otherwise, and it was you who made that assumption. So I ask on what basis. If on a "view" then you are shooting blanks. Often and densely.
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And you, my friend, are jumping out with a tinfoil.... let me make my colleague aware that many solutions from medical equipment manufacturers look more shoddy. So if this "tinsmithing" is any argument in a discussion regarding medical applications then all this equipment is unsuitable, right? No. Then why such a comment? Because you simply like to mock, only here in the medical area you lack these arguments, because it's not your brooch. And I've already written about the research so maybe you should review it before you start jumping out with a heater in your anus....
It has been around for a long time, so much so that to this day half of the scientific world still cannot come to terms with it.
Acutely, science has no problem coming to terms with the principles of MK, as numerous experiments have proven.
What is different is human intuition and human beliefs.
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The talk was about H2 and O2 being formed when charging a battery and how they are safely and explosion-free recombinant. Because it was a colleague who stated that H2 and O2 combine explosively. Has he forgotten what he wrote already?
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Figure out how it happens that water dissociates in a plant where both hydrogen and oxygen are formed, and it does not explode.
You don't distinguish between basic processes, once you write about hydrogen combining with oxygen, somewhere else you wonder about the explosiveness of water.
You clearly have no idea what happens to a battery during charging and hence your silly ideas.
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Gentlemen perhaps a little calmer.
Oxygen and hydrogen do not have to combine explosively, reactions are possible, e.g. burning hydrogen in oxygen without explosion.
The dissociation of water is a completely different phenomenon, here neither hydrogen nor oxygen is formed, only a hydride cation (proton) and a hydroxide anion OH-, certain conditions are required for this, but let's not go into it since the basics are problematic.
I also saw mention of hydrogen sulphide in the case of an acid battery? And where do you get such wonders from there?
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Colleague @robokop was in the battery room and smelled the stench (rotten eggs). And if it stinks it's dangerous.
He didn't smell hydrogen, so hydrogen is ok.
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acutely in the case of H2S the stench is a "defence system", H2S is highly toxic, it binds/strips iron from haemoglobin, so that's why we smell it in quantities well below causing problems, I was rather interested to know where the hydrogen sulphide came from in the acid batteries? Unless it was just something rotting next to it and the conclusion was inconclusive.
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yes I wonder what kind of cosmic conditions would have to take place in a given battery to convert sulphur at oxidation degree +VI from sulphuric acid to sulphur -II as it is in hydrogen sulphide.
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yes I wonder what kind of cosmic conditions would have to take place in a given battery to convert sulphur at oxidation degree +VI from sulphuric acid to sulphur -II as it is in hydrogen sulphide.
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Nothing special to do....
From my own experience: just without knowing that the battery has a shorted cell, start the car on the cables and drive non-stop for about 3h.
After about this amount of time, I smelled a faint stench of rotten eggs from the air vents.
And in a moment at a forced stop, it turned out that the battery had swollen and boiled over....
Fortunately, in Sweden the batteries could be bought on hand .
The same sort of thing can be done by Aku with ups. There are papers, English-language for those curious about the subject. But in general it should not surprise anyone that with a lot of hydrogen sulphate and acid you can get hydrogen sulphide. Because generally the other way round is also possible and the reactions are generally reversible.
A colleague presented a constructed device and was nearly lynched. I have never had so much fun as reading these pages. I was immediately reminded of the company of scientists from the period "Around the world in 80 days" ....
Device nicely done, respectable photos, cost of components. Pity there is no diagram. I also like the name 'molecular hydrogen'. It makes an impression.
Any chance of a schematic? I'm curious how it works on the human body, I'd like to try it.
a few posts above I gave example links to shamanic sites you can read how hydrogen works on the body . Just do not take shortcuts and inhale hydrogen from a battery , because by reading not carefully the whole topic you can get lost and by the way you can also read about hydrogen sulphide
Ps . a nice cabaret from the topic made - but, it was to be expected Disinformation is the basis nowadays . Fortunately gulson has a head on his shoulders and will not be manipulated . Many thanks for this feature gulson .
Let's see what the knowledge aggregator has to say on this topic @ElectrodeBot can hydrogen-saturated water or hydrogen inhalation have a positive effect on human health, are there studies about the health effects of hydrogen? And can an overcharged gel battery give off hydrogen sulphide?
Can hydrogen-saturated water or hydrogen inhalation have a positive effect on human health, are there studies about the effects of hydrogen on health? And can an overcharged gel battery give off hydrogen sulphide?
Preliminary assessment of available information .
Your question addresses two separate issues:
1. The effects of hydrogen-saturated water and hydrogen inhalation on human health and the availability of scientific research on the subject. 2. Possible release of hydrogen sulphide by an overcharged gel battery .
Direct answer to question .
1. Hydrogen effects on human health :
There are studies suggesting that *hydrogen-saturated water* and *hydrogen inhalation* may have positive effects on human health, mainly due to the antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects of hydrogen. However, most of these studies are preliminary and often based on animal or cellular models. Further large-scale clinical studies are needed to confirm these benefits in humans.
2. Hydrogen sulphide release by an overcharged gel battery :
Overcharging a gel battery can lead to the release of *hydrogen sulphide (H₂S)*, which is a toxic and flammable gas. Overcharging of batteries should therefore be avoided and appropriate charging procedures should be followed.
Detailed analysis of the problem .
1. Impact of hydrogen on human health .
Theoretical basis :
- Antioxidant properties : Molecular hydrogen (H₂) is a powerful antioxidant that can neutralise hydroxyl free radicals (-OH) and superoxide anion (O₂--), reducing oxidative stress in the body. - Biological permeability : Due to its small particle size, hydrogen readily crosses cell membranes and the blood-brain barrier, reaching various tissues.
Scientific research :
- Anti-inflammatory effects : Some studies indicate that hydrogen may reduce inflammation by modulating cell signalling pathways. - Neurodegenerative diseases : Preliminary research suggests potential benefits in the treatment of Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease and other neurological conditions. - Metabolic diseases : Studies in animal models show that hydrogen can affect glucose and lipid metabolism, which may be helpful in type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome. - Improved physical performance : There are reports of reduced muscle fatigue and oxidative stress in athletes using hydrogen-saturated water.
Boundaries and need for further research :
- Scale and quality of studies : Most of the available studies are conducted on small groups of participants or on preclinical models. - Lack of standards : There is a lack of standardised protocols for hydrogen dosing and method of application. - Long-term safety : The safety of long-term use of hydrogen in humans is not fully known.
2. Hydrogen sulphide release from an overcharged gel battery .
Gel batteries :
- Building : A gel battery is a type of lead-acid battery in which the electrolyte is immobilised as a gel by means of silica. - Benefits : They have a lower risk of electrolyte leakage and are more shock resistant.
Battery overcharging :
- Process : Overcharging occurs when the battery is charged with too high a voltage or for too long. - Effects : This can lead to electrolysis of water in the electrolyte, generating hydrogen (H₂) and oxygen (O₂).
Hydrogen sulphide (H₂S) :
- Mechanism : Small amounts of hydrogen sulphide may be produced as a result of overcharging and reactions occurring inside the battery. - Favourable conditions : High temperatures, the presence of impurities or degradation of electrode materials can increase the risk of H₂S release. - Characteristics : Hydrogen sulphide is a gas with a characteristic rotten egg smell and is toxic and flammable.
Hazards and Precautions :
- Health risks : Exposure to H₂S may cause respiratory irritation, headaches, dizziness, and in high concentrations may be fatal. - Safety : It is important to use suitable chargers with voltage and current control and to avoid overcharging the battery. - Ventilation : Batteries should be used in well-ventilated areas to avoid accumulation of gases.
Up-to-date information and trends .
- Development of hydrogen research : By 2024, there is a growing interest in hydrogen in medicine, especially in the context of antioxidant therapies. New clinical trials are emerging, but results are still inconclusive. - Battery technologies : The use of intelligent charge management systems (Battery Management Systems), which minimise the risk of overcharging and the release of dangerous gases, is increasing.
Supporting explanations and details .
- Methods of hydrogen application : - *Hydrogen-saturated water*: Obtained by saturating water with hydrogen molecules. - *Hydrogen inhalation*: Inhalation of a gas mixture containing hydrogen under controlled conditions. - Safety of hydrogen in therapy : Hydrogen is safe in low concentrations used therapeutically, but mixtures exceeding 4% by volume should be avoided due to the risk of explosion.
Practical tips .
- Consult your doctor : It is advisable to consult a doctor or medical professional before starting hydrogen therapy. - Consider charging batteries : - Use chargers dedicated to gel batteries. - Avoid charging the battery with a current that is too high. - Monitor the charging process and follow the manufacturer's recommendations.
Possible caveats or additional comments .
- Lack of conclusive evidence : Current research on hydrogen in medicine is promising, but does not yet provide conclusive evidence on the efficacy and safety of long-term use. - Marketing risk : Caution should be exercised towards products and therapies advertised as miracle solutions without solid scientific support.
Suggestions for further research .
- Tracking scientific publications : It is recommended to monitor the latest research in reputable medical and scientific journals. - Safety education : Improving knowledge of safe battery use and charging can prevent potential hazards.
Short summary .
- Health effects of hydrogen : Hydrogen may have potential health benefits through its antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties, but further clinical studies are needed to confirm this. - Hydrogen sulphide from batteries : Overcharging a gel battery can lead to the release of hydrogen sulphide, which is a health and safety hazard. It is recommended that overcharging is avoided and that appropriate charging procedures are followed.
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Hmm bot put the stick in the spokes a bit. As for the hydrogen I don't know.... On the other hand, it is a fact that a faulty charger that overcharged and broke a string of batteries caused the whole room to stink.... The problem with hydrogen sulphide is that while small concentrations are easy to detect, large concentrations paralyse the sense of smell and you may not get out of such a trap alive....
The bot, even the latest one, copes differently with two topics at once, having to constantly switch the context of statements.
I have noticed, however, that it is better to ask about one issue.
And regarding his answer, it only confirmed different opinions and further research is needed.
This made me even more convinced not to censor anything, because there are really big differences of opinion.
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Coming back to H2S and its poisonous properties, I would like to inform the honourable group, especially kol. robokop, that I know what hydrogen sulphide smells like, because due to my illnesses I drank water "Zuber" from Krynica according to doctor's recommendations and it smells of hydrogen sulphide like any other . Besides, hydrogen sulphide is heavier than air, so my colleague robokop had to take odour samples from the floor when he smelled it in the battery room. For what reason , none of my business.
CO2 is also heavier than air and somehow, under normal circumstances, it does not want to collect at the bottom, but rather mixes insolently with the air, but perhaps our colleague can provide us with an anecdote from fluid mechanics.
For this, the technical rooms are usually ventilated / air-conditioned which will further force air movement and distribute the hydrogen sulphide throughout the volume more effectively than diffusion.
>>21268964 You are showing off your ignorance yourself, see what the comment was about and what room. Once again you are completely out of step with the discussion trying to justify something with phrases taken out of context. This is what happens when you have nothing clever to say.
under normal circumstances you don't want to collect at the bottom
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You wrote that you don't want to collect at the bottom, whereas it's at the bottom that you collect -> children are taught this in schools in the candle experiment, but don't accidentally do it because it's dangerous.
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I am glad that the administrator has allowed the publication of this work by kol Marko121 - focusing on the technical aspect of the device made. I am not in favour of censorship. I observe the topic with interest, but tried not to express myself - especially as my position on the topic was similar to the views of, for example, coll. viayner or acctr .
Unfortunately, I cannot agree with colleague robokop in the statements made regarding battery rooms. Over the last few years I have been involved in the commissioning of several battery rooms, used to charge trolley batteries in high bay warehouses, as well as battery rooms for UPS. The task of the ventilation was to remove gaseous products, with an emphasis on hydrogen. And all the forklift battery charging rooms I know of were fitted with ceiling-mounted hydrogen detectors, none with hydrogen sulphide detectors. I know of a case where, during the construction phase, it was assumed that the trolleys would use a specific one, but other trolleys were purchased and there was a problem with hydrogen exceedances. Temporarily, restrictions had to be put in place and the ventilation had to be rebuilt, increasing its capacity.
I don't recall the smell of hydrogen sulphide in these new battery rooms, but I remember very well an incident more than 20 years ago when the voltage regulator in my Polonez broke and my battery boiled over. Even though I was standing in the street, you could already smell the stench from more than 50m away. In truth, I pulled up in front of a familiar company and made an unplanned sensation.
So, although I agree with my colleague robocop on many topics, here I have to support my colleague acctr .
>>21268999 I would have to let my colleague off a bundle like Kmicic to Kuklinowski, because that is the truth. What do you want to compare man, a closed aquarium to a ventilated room? Because that's what was mentioned. Either you have a damn strong argument that actually escaping H2S is something you have to look for with your nose to the floor, or get a grip on yourself man!
What do you want to compare man, a closed aquarium to a ventilated room? Because that's what was mentioned. Either you have a damn strong argument that actually escaping H2S is something you have to look for with your nose to the floor, or get a grip on yourself man!
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As stubborn and constipated as you may be, ventilate the room, CO2 will always be heavier than air and in normal situations, whatever they may be for you, it will also collect at the bottom. Take any CO2 detector and check the top and bottom with it. Just don't play with releasing larger amounts of CO2 e.g. with the help of dry ice and don't check it organoleptically, because it can end tragically, see the sauna event in Moscow about 4-5 years ago.
CO2 will always be heavier than air and in normal situations, whatever they would be for you, it will also collect at the bottom
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Well look, and the candle glows even though the cartridge is high and the vents are at the top. Magic, ladies, magic....
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CO2 will always be heavier than air and in normal situations, whatever they would be for you, it will also collect at the bottom.
If that were the case it would flood in caves, baaa, even basins. And it doesn't flood.
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Just don't play with releasing larger amounts of CO2 e.g. with the help of dry ice and don't check it organoleptically, because it can end tragically, see the sauna event in Moscow some 4-5 years ago.
no fairy tale, the best evidence of CO2 backlogging is the reckless use of significant amounts of CO2 in the form of dry ice in a room with insufficiently good ventilation. So if, according to you, CO2 is deposited at the bottom then H2 is deposited at the ceiling and sizzling a spark at human level won't cause a detonation because, after all, all the hydrogen will be at the top, right? No? Aaaa...
If that were the case it would flood in caves, baaa, even basins. And it does not flood.
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And again you show off your ignorance. There are plenty of cases of CO2 poisoning in caves and beyond.
A prime example is the Dog Cave - CO2 backing up at the bottom killed dogs, people came out alive.
A national example - the mofets near Krynica, where CO2 comes out from under the ground and lingers around, next to the ground.
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No see, and the candle glows even though the cartridge is high and the vents at the top. Magic, ladies, magic..
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Warm air, circulation, chimney, physics ladies, no superstition....
And again you show off your ignorance. There are plenty of cases of CO2 poisoning in caves and beyond.
Yes, and chlorine in the trenches as it was released by the Germans. But that chlorine didn't stay in the trenches for ever and ever. And that CO2 you write about in the caves had a local source from the volcanic rocks underfoot with minimised ventilation. If you cut off that source of CO2 what do you think - the CO2 produced by visitors would also linger and poison the dogs? No. Aaaa... And if you provided better ventilation to this cave would it still be a problem for the dogs? Do you know what this is due to? From what I've been pointing out to brotherHanki - from fluid mechanics. The CO2 there "lingers" because the ventilation is inadequate for the CO2 emissions from the surrounding volcanic rocks.
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Hot air, circulation, chimney, physics ladies
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Ha, gotcha!
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While you would insist and deny, ventilate the room,
That's how it is in the end? Well generally the answer should be "it depends" - because it depends on the volume of CO2, H2S, SF6, Cl2 in relation to the volume of air and the rate of air exchange in the room (in simple terms - ignoring circulation barriers like all the equipment in the room). But, assuming common sense, a well-ventilated room such as an accumulator room (just well ventilated so that the H2 concentration does not reach the explosive mixture threshold) in the event of some malfunction of the charged accumulator is unlikely to produce the amount of H2S that would accumulate at the bottom of the room and only be perceptible there. Yes or no?
In a welding shop, CO2 from the combustion of acetylene should not accumulate near the floor either, yes or no?
And at a vehicle inspection station, an employee should not get poisoned by exhaust fumes from the following cars when entering the pit, yes or no?
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