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  • DIY molecular hydrogen generator enclosed in a clear plexiglass case.
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    It took me a long time to decide whether to publish this post, it also took me a little while to prepare it, so I don't know if I've drawn up everything exactly according to the "what you need" recipe. However, I decided to post it, maybe it will inspire someone or I will learn something new (hopefully not a wave of heckling: that e.g. - it doesn't work, what's the point of it, scammers, they're pulling a fast one, shamans came up with something again.... and etc.).

    Molecular hydrogen generator - such a novelty that has relatively recently appeared in the offer and medicine. I will not describe here the effects of molecular hydrogen on the human body. Those interested will find everything at Uncle Google and YT. Personally, I came across a description or a video somewhere on the internet, there I found out that such hydrogen is a boon, I started digging and decided to make my own such a generator for myself. You can buy ready-made ones, but the cost is over 4 thousand. Although I counted a little, because making it out of blocks was not cheap either, and you still had to spend a lot of time.

    Description:
    Hydrogen generator capacity 150 ml/min. The PEM hydrogen cell produces pure molecular hydrogen for inhalation, which is separated from water in one of the gas separators. In time I realised that there are rods available for dissolving hydrogen in water, so I purchased such a rod, placed it in a jar, fed the hydrogen from the separator, which through the rod (diffuser) hydrogenates the mineral water for drinking in the jar, and at that time the other end from the jar lid is fed to the cannula, which is used for inhalation, and so I obtained 2in1 (inhalation + hydrogen water). It is recommended to pour distilled water (not demineralised water - just pure distilled water) into the diffuser jar. You can pour whatever water you like to drink into the diffuser jar. The second gas separator gives off pure oxygen, which can also be used for inhalation or mixed with hydrogen and inhaled; if not, it escapes into the atmosphere. You can skip this separator, saving a hundred and drop the tube with oxygen and water back into the decomposition water container directly (that's how those little factory generators have it). You can also skip the resin filter, saving another hundred. All in all, if you buy a container like I have, you can skip both separators, as there is already a separator in the container. You could use it for the hydrogen, and pipe the oxygen and water back into the decomposition water.

    Everything bought on AliExpress, after the fact I found auctions where you could buy everything together and it would come out cheaper (ie: hydrogen cell, filter, separator, dedicated power supply - no modifications, dedicated water pump).

    Costs:
    The whole thing cost me around £1300-1400, so on the borderline of cost-effective.
    - 150ml/20A hydrogen cell: 400 zł
    - Resin filter: 100 zł
    - Gas separator 2 pcs: £220 (£2x110). Although you could splurge on 1 piece, then oxygen straight into the water container
    - Power supply (you need 2.1V 20A): there is a special dedicated one for different cells, costs 300 zł - I converted a 3V 40A power supply for 100 zł, there was a bit of wrangling with the conversion: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3890375.html#21191459. Not to mention that earlier I bought a second 5V/70A power supply also for 100 zł, with which I didn't work out, but in the end I managed to convert the 3V/40A one, so that it gave the needed current and voltage for this cell, i.e. 20A/2.1V. I would probably buy the dedicated one next time
    - Water pump with flow control: £35 (you can also buy a dedicated water pump, but the cost is approx.. PLN 100)
    - Meter with 50A, 100V shunt: £20 (need not be there)
    - Timer 230V AC: 20 zł (does not have to be)
    - 5V phone charger (to power the meter), 230V socket: £20 (does not need to be there)
    - Special water container: £140 (although here, too, could be made out of some plastic bottle and connectors). However, by using this container, you could omit both separators, saving 2 hundred pounds
    - Silicone hoses and plastic connectors, jar: about 60 zł (I bought more)
    - Cannula: 17 zł
    - Stainless rod (diffuser) for dissolving hydrogen in water: PLN 130
    - I made the enclosure from plexiglass bought at scrap price and new angle brackets from Allegro - all about £120
    - 3mm screws with nuts: approx. 20 zł

    Previously for live (hydrogenated) and dead water I made myself a generator based on the principle of electrolysis, which separates both waters through a membrane. I will give some pictures, but I don't want to describe it :) . Similar designs have been described on the electrode as well. I just wonder if the better water is the live one from electrolysis or the one hydrated by the diffuser from the jar described above. Perhaps someone will comment wisely on this subject :) .

    Moderated By gulson:

    Note that the therapy has not been scientifically proven. A mixture above 4% hydrogen with air is explosive. The topic should be regarded as a construction curiosity.


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    Marko121
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  • #2 21265787
    gulson
    System Administrator
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    Edit:
    Since there are submissions as to why the topic is on the main: here uploaded the author of the design and it is a DIY electronic design like any other, I have nothing to complain about structurally and will not censor the project, the design itself is correct. And what it generates, or what the author uses it for.... might as well generate air for the fish. If the author is helped by the placebo, let him use it. If audiophiles want cable holders for 1000PLN, let them buy them and use them. I deleted from the topic "for inhalation" so as not to suggest such a specific use of the design. There will be no forum censorship or censoring of opinions.
  • #3 21265987
    Marko121
    Level 17  
    Thanks for the honourable mention :) and for the corrections. I was not able to arrange it nicely and put the text with pictures , because for example the first 3 pictures are related to my earlier electrolyzer of living and dead water ( it would be good to separate it somehow so that it would be visible that they are separate projects )
    Does this therapy help and does it work? Hmm .... I don't know, but I personally believe it does. I've only been using it, about 3 weeks at 30 mins a day if I have the time. I seem to feel better after inhalation but maybe this is just a suggestion . Just because the therapy is not completely proven to work does not mean that it does not work. I know that an hour of inhalation costs approx. 60 zł. Let everyone decide for themselves whether something like this can help or not. Of course, it would be advisable to do a little reading and research before criticising anything. I am in no way recommending or advertising anything. I am also not responsible for possible side effects or any other damage that might occur (should someone want to build a similar project) . The risks can be many: from electrocution to a hydrogen explosion, so I urge caution.
    As far as dosage is concerned, as far as I know, you can't overdose on hydrogen from such a machine. 150ml/min when inhaled, mixed with air, is rather safe, the excess is excreted in the form of water. Of course you have to be careful with fire, because as you know hydrogen and fire.... BOOOM!!!! And then it will certainly harm :) .

    scientific research on molecular hydrogen can be found here : https://molecularhydrogeninstitute.org
    and here is a sample article from here translated in the translator https://molecularhydrogeninstitute-org.transl..._tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_hist=true
  • #4 21266103
    Uran.
    Level 13  
    Hmm, I have not heard that hydrogen has any effect on the human body - in fact it is very inert. At elevated pressures, as is the case with divers, most gases become harmful - see nitrogen narcosis. A mixture of oxygen and hydrogen (called Hydrox) was invented with an oxygen content of perhaps 5 or 10 %, which made it possible to breathe at a pressure of 70 atm, which corresponds to a diving depth of 700 m. At that pressure, such a small concentration of oxygen provides just the right amount for human respiration - more would be harmful. So I doubt that inhaling small amounts of hydrogen gas will have any effect on the body, but well - it won't be harmful either, unless it catches fire from something - better not to have an explosion in the lungs :D .
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  • #5 21266111
    hubert2508
    Level 13  
    Hi
    I understand that the device works on the principle of electrolysis.
    But, from what I understand we have hydrogen and oxygen in two separate containers?
    What about water with added hydrogen?

    Regards Hubert
  • #6 21266134
    tronics
    Level 38  
    >>21266127 At one time the same was said about magnetotherapy.... For at one time a very rewarding form of therapy for mental disorders, and how scientifically documented and rewarded it was, was lobotomy. Hmm...

    I will also remind you that in PL, during covid, remdesivir was administered to patients, whose efficacy in "treating" covid was inconclusive to say the least (or, more precisely, it was administered when its efficacy was already nonexistent, because the amount of multiplied viruses was high enough for the disease symptoms, and remdesivir is supposed to limit multiplication and if it was effective it was generally administered BEFORE the onset of symptoms). At the same time this amantadine, which was cheaper and helped to a similar degree ;) And also without clinical confirmation, despite being promoted by some recognised and respected doctors, was completely ignored. As you can see when it comes to medicine it is itself a parana-science, because we generally know that we know nothing.
  • #7 21266140
    Baskhaal
    Level 19  
    Marko121 wrote:
    Molecular hydrogen generator - such a novelty that has relatively recently come into offer and medicine.
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    I already have misinformation at the outset. Such "therapy" has only gone to naive people and to people who take advantage of this by running a business. This type of "therapy" does not exist in the world of medicine as a science and serious business. The article should hang in HydePark as a heebie-jeebies and should not be promoted on the main one, especially as a device with potentially major health effects - negative if ignited.
    Is this an engineering forum or a flat earthers club? A rather rhetorical question....
  • #8 21266157
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello,
    Marketing is doing its job, how is it possible to present "stupidity" in an interesting way?
    I don't want to criticise the colleague, plus for the project, but minus for "molecular hydrogen".
    Molecular hydrogen = ordinary molecular hydrogen, obtained in the colleague's case electrolytically, but the name obliges.
    Saturating water with hydrogen - the solubility of hydrogen in water is practically non-existent, due to its properties and molecular weight, chemistry is not jumped by any "hydrogen saturation rods".
    Inhaling hydrogen or pure oxygen is somewhat irresponsible and, if exaggerated, harmful.
    Hydrogen is lethal relative to reducing oxygen, and oxygen itself is harmful to living organisms, which is why the air is diluted with nitrogen.
    Therapeutic actions are 'possible impacts', 'potential impacts', not scientifically proven actions, for example, the deactivation of free radicals is mentioned, e.g. *OH, bravo, but if it gives up a proton, what is left? And won't it be more damaging? It will be. I've seen mentions of salutary effects on COVID infected people, it sounds like - a fashionable topic and given funding, and the research will somehow get pulled up :) .
    I suggest being prudent in using "inventions" of this type, not succumbing to the illusion created by "popular science" articles, and seeking scientifically validated information.
    Regards
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  • #9 21266238
    thereminator
    Conditionally unlocked
    "Rat ointment, rat ointment
    we grease the rat from above,
    and with the back of your hand you smear it under the belly,
    after a week this rat dies, the ointment costs one tenner".

    What times, such rat ointment....
  • #10 21266277
    efi222
    Level 19  
    In today's world, there is a concept of unconventional, or non-academic, medicine. Just because something is scientifically unproven doesn't mean it doesn't work. Our body is a complex machinery. Question: does anyone still do independent research?
    People who are ill seek help at all costs, because official treatments often fail. And the placebo effect can also work wonders.
    The concept of science is relative.
    For hundreds of years, sick people were given bloodletting and herbalists were burned at the stake.
    And quantum physics has divided scientists into two camps.
  • #11 21266312
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello,
    of course there is a lot of truth in your colleague's observation, but one should also have at least a minimal understanding of physics/chemistry/biochemistry or biology to distinguish between something that may have the potential to help, and total "marketing".
    Regards
  • #12 21266347
    metalMANiu
    Level 21  
    efi222 wrote:
    Question: does anyone still do independent research?
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    I'm afraid not.
    In addition, the interpretation of test results can be 'tailor made'.

    I would remove the phrase "for inhalation" from the topic name and treat the whole device simply as an H2 and O2 generator.
    I would pay attention to technical details, safety, quality of assembly (especially connections).

    Why does it look poor, to say the least, despite spending such a sum?
    If it works, it's still half a poor thing. I have had some nice projects behind me which, despite looking nice, did not work :) .
  • #13 21266382
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello,
    Still, by the way, "all purchased on Ali", meaning we have no assurance that any materials used are safe/approved for food contact etc.
    Have fun, just so you don't force others (e.g. family members) to use this invention.
    Regards
  • #14 21266391
    JacekCz
    Level 42  
    Marko121 wrote:
    I will not describe here the effects of molecular hydrogen on the human body. Those interested will find everything at Uncle Google and YT
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    Just like the flat earth etc.

    The very name "molecular hydrogen" should give a red light to technically educated people.
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  • #15 21266393
    bratHanki
    Level 38  
    Surely this is an "invention" from the same shelf as Mr. Zieba's water structuriser and the "revitaliser" that produced "animated water".
    JacekCz wrote:
    The very name "molecular hydrogen" should give a red light to the technically educated people.

    A molecule is a molecule i.e. molecular hydrogen is molecular hydrogen i.e. H2.
  • #16 21266397
    JacekCz
    Level 42  
    gulson wrote:
    Are you personally noticing any benefits when using the device?


    Always someone who wj.... cash and effort sees the upside. This is how placebos (and our modern marketing) work
  • #17 21266464
    tronics
    Level 38  
    The question is whether you have read publications on the subject or whether it is so typical I do not know, but I will comment. The essence of Polishness. Even American institutions have been pursuing the subject for the purpose of verification and some studies have shown positive effects (limited, but nevertheless), while here there are only eminent specialists. Even ozone, although generally harmful, is sometimes used in certain treatments. The same goes for ethanol. Why does hydrogen surprise anyone?

    Perhaps you should take a look at the National library of medicine... And only then can you make a statement?
  • #18 21266482
    Baskhaal
    Level 19  
    @tronics Ok, point out the serious medical facilities (hospitals, medical academies) that use hydronucleation as a medical procedure (classified in the National Health Service etc).
  • #19 21266521
    thereminator
    Conditionally unlocked
    tronics wrote:
    Question have you read publications on the subject or is it so typical I don't know but I will comment. The essence of Polishness. Even American institutions are dragging the subject for verification and some studies have shown positive effects (limited, but nevertheless), meanwhile here themselves eminent specialists. Even ozone, although generally harmful, is sometimes used in certain treatments. The same goes for ethanol. Why does hydrogen surprise anyone?

    Maybe you should take a look at the National library of medicine... And only then should you express your opinion?



    What is there to check? You only need to know the physical and chemical properties of hydrogen and know a little about physiology to know that it is a deparchator-level invention.
  • #20 21266550
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello,
    I've just been looking through articles like this from various research groups and there is no clear conclusion, you can see the effects but you can't conclusively link them, which is why I mentioned ("possible impact", "potential impacts", not "scientifically proven effect") in #8. Of course, this can be "put over the hump" of early research into a new phenomenon etc.
    Going back to your suggestions about e.g. the use of harmful ozone, yes and that is where its strength lies, it is lethal and that is how it is used.
    Regards
  • #21 21266658
    acctr
    Level 38  
    Any playing with hydrogen is dangerous and should not be done indoors.
    For this reason, e.g. acid batteries should be charged outside because of the danger of explosion (from sparks), fire, etc.
    All the more so in the case of an amateur inhalation device. It does not take much to extract hydrogen and oxygen from water, but they require responsible behaviour.
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #22 21266666
    Baskhaal
    Level 19  
    tronics wrote:
    Maybe you should take a look at the National library of medicine.... And only then express yourself?
    .
    There are also plenty of entries on lobotomy or electroshock.
  • #23 21266674
    K3
    Level 30  
    Marko121 wrote:
    Hydrogen generator capacity 150 ml/min. The PEM hydrogen cell produces pure molecular hydrogen for inhalation, which is separated from
    .

    Gibberish.

    PEM fuel cells are not used to produce hydrogen, only to produce electricity. And hydrogen is obtained from electrolysis.
  • #24 21266695
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    acctr wrote:
    For this reason e.g. acid batteries should be charged outside because of the danger of explosion (from sparks), fire etc.
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    It is more about hydrogen sulphide fumes, which is smelly, corrosive, harmful etc.
    K3 wrote:
    Marko121 wrote:
    pure molecular hydrogen is produced
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    "Molecular" - How clever and scientific that sounds. Because "molecular" is already so common. And back in primary school we were taught that gases exist in the form of molecules - molecules.
    And this "living water" - isn't that from "Johnnie Aquarius"? And no, there was obedient water .
  • #25 21266703
    acctr
    Level 38  
    robokop wrote:
    More to the point, hydrogen sulphide fumes are smelly, corrosive, harmful etc.
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    You are talking nonsense, during the charging of any acid battery more or less hydrogen is produced, a spark is not difficult to occur when disconnecting or connecting a clamp.
    And this is the reason why you should charge outside or in a very well ventilated place.

    Hydrogen sulphide is not a problem at all, because if it were otherwise you would smell an egg from under the bonnet after a long drive.
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  • #26 21266749
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    acctr wrote:
    And this is the reason why you should charge outside or in a very well ventilated place.
    .
    Have you ever been in a battery room? Probably not. There is always ( or at least there should be) a working ventilation system, whereas there is no requirement for the equipment to be intrinsically safe.
  • #27 21266794
    acctr
    Level 38  
    robokop wrote:
    Have you ever been in a battery room? Probably not. There is always ( or at least should be) a working ventilation system, but there is no requirement for the equipment to be intrinsically safe.
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    I have been in a battery room and know that excellent ventilation must be provided and hydrogen detection systems are fitted. For the very reason I described above.
    And don't even try to deny that this is not the case because you will be sent back to your primary school children's textbook where they write about electrolysis and batteries.
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  • #28 21266821
    metalMANiu
    Level 21  
    robokop wrote:
    Have you ever been in a battery room?
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    No, but I know someone who has been and told me this and that :)

    The battery rooms had a double ventilation system (redundancy) and one fan always had to be switched on. The system had terminals for connecting a gas concentration sensor in the room, but its connection was optional. In practice it was never used.
  • #29 21266825
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    acctr wrote:
    I was in the battery room
    .
    You weren't. Otherwise you would know that it smells like rotten eggs - i.e. hydrogen sulphide fumes - in there. And that's one of the main factors why you shouldn't charge your batteries at home. The likelihood of blowing up your house with hydrogen gas is practically zero, but the likelihood of inhaling acid fumes is high.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    metalMANiu wrote:
    The system had terminals for connecting a room gas concentration sensor, but its connection was optional.
    .
    Yes, there are now hanging detectors required by the regulations, placed quite high up in the ceiling. In any case, for the time being there is no requirement for intrinsically safe equipment as in mines.
  • #30 21266833
    tronics
    Level 38  
    viayner wrote:
    Hello,
    I've just been looking through such articles from various research groups and there is no clear conclusion, effects can be seen but not clearly linked, which is why I mentioned ("possible impacts", "potential impacts", not "scientifically proven effects") in #8. Of course this can be "put over the hump" of early research into a new phenomenon etc.
    Going back to your suggestions about e.g. the use of harmful ozone, yes and that is where its strength lies, it is deadly and that is how it is used.
    Greetings
    .
    Beautiful, and do you think that after it was discovered that inhaling ozone was not very good for health according to the knowledge of the time when anyone started researching its possible desirable effects it was pseudo-science or science nonetheless before conclusive results were obtained? And when it was known that electric current flowing through the human body is harmful, was attempts to use impulses of a specific charge to stimulate the heart muscle to function properly science or pseudo-science? I remind you that this type of research also has a stage before clinical trials begin. Now regarding the alleged "hydrogen contributes nothing" - it is on the cited official website of the US medical establishment that there are studies clearly showing the effects of H2 on certain processes in the body. Whether this effect is beneficial or detrimental is at this point beyond the lens, it is clear that H2 influences certain processes so all sorts of claims to the contrary are just coming from dilettantes.
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10045005/
    The (molar) solubility of hydrogen in water is slightly less than that of oxygen, not "practically insoluble" - In other words, if water can be oxygenated, it can also be hydrogenated. So you have publications, you have early research, and you are treating this as some voodoo without substantiation. I suggest you get a grip, because this level of scepticism combined with ignorance is not healthy.
  • Topic summary

    The discussion revolves around the construction and application of a molecular hydrogen generator, a DIY project aimed at producing hydrogen for potential health benefits. Participants express skepticism regarding the efficacy and safety of inhaling hydrogen, citing a lack of scientific validation and potential risks associated with hydrogen and oxygen mixtures. Concerns are raised about the marketing of such devices and the implications of using them for therapeutic purposes. The conversation also touches on the principles of electrolysis, the solubility of hydrogen in water, and the historical context of unconventional therapies. Some users share personal experiences and references to existing studies, while others emphasize the need for caution and scientific rigor in evaluating such technologies.
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