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  • #91 21270348
    acctr
    Level 38  
    tronics wrote:
    If you cut off this source of CO2 what do you think - the CO2 produced by visitors would also linger and poison the dogs? No. Aaaa... And if you provided better ventilation to this cave would it still be a problem for the dogs? Do you know what this is due to? From what I've been pointing out to brotherHanki - from fluid mechanics. The CO2 there "lingers" because the ventilation is inadequate for the CO2 emissions from the surrounding volcanic rocks.

    Come to your senses and stop writing out this nonsense - for gases we do not use fluid mechanics because gases are not liquids.
    Ventilation does not miraculously make CO2 no heavier than air, under certain conditions it can even cause more CO2 to flow into the room.
    For some reason you can't or won't comprehend that CO2 sinks to the bottom, are you that resistant to knowledge?
    On yt you will find plenty of material proving the properties of CO2 that you cannot comprehend, shown in an evocative way, by young scientists who understand the subject and flawlessly perform the experiment for educational purposes.


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  • #92 21270374
    metalMANiu
    Level 21  
    acctr wrote:
    for gases we do not use fluid mechanics because gases are not liquids.
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    Gases are liquids.
  • #93 21270998
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    acctr wrote:
    Remember yourself and stop writing this nonsense - for gases we do not apply fluid mechanics because gases are not liquids.
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    Everyone is allowed to be uneducated, just why bother posting it?
    https://bcpw.bg.pw.edu.pl/Content/164/wah_1_1.pdf
  • #94 21271000
    kjoxa
    Level 21  
    I wonder how acctr's colleague will get out of this scuffle :D
  • #95 21271038
    mmm777
    Level 31  
    It is already clear where this came from :) .

    Quote:
    Another stand at the fair looks like a laboratory of the future from science-fiction films. At the front a small plastic bust with glasses. Tubes are hooked up to it. Here some kind of lamp, there some kind of glowing thing.
    - What is that? - I ask the young woman across the table.
    - Well, what do you mean? It's a hydrogen generator," replies the hostess, as if it were a device that anyone could recognise a mile away. You also have oxygen tubes up your nose. She explains that she has just become allergic to apples and wants to help herself with the hydrogen generator.
    Such a stationary generator costs more than three thousand zloty. But rest assured, there is a version for the less well-off - a bottle of hydrogen water conditioner. At the fair for 550 zl.
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    Hence: This is what the doctor won't tell you

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    - Scientific research is one thing, but we have experience with patients. One had a lump in her breast. After three months of use, she called to say that she was all right now - she praises the woman, and her eyelid doesn't twitch.
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  • #96 21271252
    efi222
    Level 19  
    Quoted article written by a dilettante. Clinging to DMSO proves it. The preparation is used in medicine. For that, he probably takes quite safe, effective and harmless drugs produced and advertised by pharmaceutical companies.
  • #97 21271265
    TechEkspert
    Editor
    The topic was heavily into side topics from electronic construction and, as usual, there was something new to learn from some of the interesting threads. I was surprised by the low voltages and high currents, I wonder what solutions are used in industrial electrolysis and electroplating.

    As far as hydrogen sulphide is concerned, you will be able to boast to your grandchildren that once upon a time in school the phenomenon of diffusion was presented using poisonous gas :) .
  • #98 21274480
    Tremolo
    Level 43  
    It so happens that, unfortunately, when someone is already very unwell, hydrogen, DMSO, vitamin C, homeotherapy, chemotherapy and even prayer will not help them. That, unfortunately, is how this world works.
    In order to live longer, unfortunately, one has to work hard on oneself. In the air itself, there is naturally 0.00005% molecular hydrogen. Molecular hydrogen is what hurt me in the Chemistry Olympiad and I will keep it in mind.

    So, if this hydrogen exists in the air, it is probably not so bad and does not actually do anything to us. Admittedly, these are tiny amounts ...

    There are a few scientific studies on molecular hydrogen in the treatment of strange diseases, mainly wounds and injuries, hence its use in physiotherapeutic practices, but reading mainly the more than 10-year old studies and the interim studies, we are getting into a corner, a lot of data, no specifics, a lot of papers, but mainly Asian ones. As it turns out in more depth, hydrogen can help cure many of the diseases of civilisation in which our body simply generates free radicals. So either there is no consensus from the medical community, or it is too good, or it is dangerous to use in treatments because of the problems of obtaining a pure air mixture of 2% without additives. Alternatively, it is so good that it is not profitable for pharmaceutical companies .

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3119...hydrogen_A_therapeutic_antioxidant_and_beyond

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    conclusIon

    Overall, the impact of molecular hydrogen in medicine is extraordinary. The non-toxic and rapid intracelluar diffusion features of this biological gas ensure the fea-sibility and readiness for its clinical translation. Future preclinical stuides are warranted to further elucidate the upstream master regulator(s) that drive molecular hydrogen-induced modications of downstream effectors. It is also of importance to clarify the best adminstration modality and the optimal hydrogen dose regimen for each disease model preclinically and subsquently in sepcic patient population. A newly developed hydrogen-oxygen nebuliser machine (AMS-H-01, Asclepius Meditec Co., Ltd., Shanghai, China) is able to produce 66% hydrogen gas without the risk of spontaneous combustion. Given a dose-dependent benet of hydrogen observed in the previous preclinical studies (Ohta, 2011; Ichihara et al., 2015), the therapeutic efcacy of such high hydrogen concentration deserves full investigation. Moreover, the well-designed multi-center clinical trials are expected to provide more solid evidences regarding to the effects of hydrogen in human patients
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    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3209...pplication_of_Hydrogen_as_a_Medical_Treatment

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    Molecular hydrogen (H2) has been accepted to be an inert and nonfunctional molecule in our body. We haveturned this concept by demonstrating that H2reacts with strong oxidants such as hydroxyl radicals in cells, andproposed its potential for preventive and therapeutic applications. H2has a number of advantages exhibitingextensive effects: H2rapidly diffuses into tissues and cells, and it is mild enough neither to disturb metabolicredox reactions nor to affect signaling reactive oxygen species; therefore, there should be no or little adverse ef-fects of H2. There are several methods to ingest or consume H2;inhalingH2gas, drinking H2-dissolved water (H2-water), injecting H2-dissolved saline (H2-saline), taking an H2bath, or dropping H2-saline into the eyes. The nu-merous publications on its biological and medical benefits revealed that H2reduces oxidative stress not only bydirect reactions with strong oxidants, but also indirectly by regulating various gene expressions. Moreover, by regulating the gene expressions, H2functions as an anti-inflammatory and anti-apoptotic, and stimulates energymetabolism. In addition to growing evidence obtained by model animal experiments, extensive clinical examina-tions were performed or are under investigation. Since most drugs specifically act to their targets, H2seems todiffer from conventional pharmaceutical drugs. Owing to its great efficacy and lack of adverse effects, H2haspromising potential for clinical use against many diseases.
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    In simple terms:
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    Molecular hydrogen (H2) was considered to be an inert and non-functional molecule in our body. We have reversed this concept, demonstrating that H2 reacts with strong oxidants such as hydroxyl radicals in cells, and proposed its potential for preventive and therapeutic applications. H2 has a number of advantages demonstrating broad effects: H2 diffuses rapidly into tissues and cells and is mild enough not to interfere with metabolic redox reactions or affect reactive oxygen species signalling; therefore, there should be little or no adverse effects of H2. There are several methods of ingesting or consuming H2; inhaling H2 gas, drinking water dissolved in H2 (H2-water), injecting saline dissolved in H2 (H2-saline), taking an H2 bath or dripping saline H2 into the eyes. Numerous publications on its biological and medical benefits have revealed that H2 reduces oxidative stress not only by reacting directly with strong oxidants, but also indirectly by regulating various gene expressions. Furthermore, by regulating gene expression, H2 acts as an anti-inflammatory and anti-apoptotic agent and stimulates energy metabolism. In addition to the growing evidence obtained in animal model experiments, extensive clinical trials have been or are being conducted. As most drugs act specifically on their targets, H2 appears to differ from conventional pharmaceutical drugs. Due to its high efficacy and lack of side effects, H2 has promising potential for clinical application in the treatment of many diseases


    And here is perhaps the most interesting part:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350375559_The_Medical_Uses_of_Hydrogen from 2021 - but there is still an interim research result on ResearchGate. It works on diseases in which ROS oxidative stress is found - generally a census of many diseases of civilisation like diabetes: more in the quote.

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    Hydrogen (H2) is of industrial interest as a pollution-free fuel. In addition, hydrogen is also a hot topic in medicine. Recently, animal and human experiments have shown that hydrogen is effective in treating various diseases, raising the possibility of developing hydrogen as a new therapeutic agent. The therapeutic effect of hydrogen is due to its antioxidant activity, which effectively removes reactive oxygen species (ROS). It is now known that ROS are involved in almost all diseases affecting humanity. The therapeutic effect of hydrogen was first reported by Ohsawa and colleagues in 2007. They induced brain damage in rats by ischaemia-reperfusion and found that inhalation of hydrogen gas (2%) markedly suppressed brain damage by inhibiting the action of ROS. Since then, many researchers have found that hydrogen gas was effective in ROS-related diseases (diabetes, renal complications of renal dialysis, acute cerebral infarction, inflammatory diseases of the skin, muscles and joints, side effects of radiotherapy, skin wrinkles and post-exercise fatigue) in animal models and patients. Notably, hydrogen gas, unlike conventional antioxidants, 1) easily passes through the cell membrane and is thus readily distributed to all organs and tissues in our body, 2) uniquely removes the most toxic hydroxyl radical (-OH) ROS and 3) has no adverse or toxic effects at the doses (0.4 and 1.6 ppm) used in all reported experiments. Based on the results of these experiments, attempts to use hydrogen as a therapeutic agent are actively being undertaken. Given that our bodies are constantly producing ROS, the use of hydrogen or hydrogenated water is believed to help maintain health by treating or preventing disease. Keywords: Hydrogen; Oxidative stress; Anti-ageing; AntioxidantsHydrogen's CHEMICAL PROPERTIES AND INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONSUBColourless, tasteless and odourless gas, hydrogen (H2), has been isolated from the outside world.
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  • #99 21275938
    pavyan
    Level 20  
    I'll throw in my three cents, because the subject has caught my interest (it's a pity there's so much teasing, mockery and anger here) and because I bought a water "generator" from a yellow company a couple of years ago, for about £280.
    I don't want to give links, because someone will accuse me of cryptic advertising - but I will attach a photo I found on the web:

    Hydrogen water generator device with V8 control panel. .

    This device, called V8 ("jug" of borosilicate glass, plastic and metal with an aesthetically pleasing modern design, powered by 230VAC) admittedly produces not hydrogen gas itself, but hydrogen-saturated water - but this is probably more convenient to use/apply.
    The product is water saturated with active hydrogen, i.e. water with a high negative potential - it must be consumed within a relatively short period of time, as the hydrogen volatilises and the water loses its positive properties in just tens of minutes (if it actually has them :-) , because.... I am such a bit of a naysayer Thomas).
    Apparently it reduces free radicals etc., generally the very pluses, you can read up on the benefits online.
    An interesting fact is that this "kettle" can be used to produce "reverse" water, saturated with active oxygen and then this is the water used to disinfect, fight rot, clean e.g. fruit or vegetables; it has several buttons to activate various functions.
    Since the one I bought had "buttons" described only with pictures and Chinese worms, I had to play translator and decipher the markings in a PURE way - because I obviously didn't want to drink water saturated with active oxygen, the one for killing mould :-) .
    I don't want to arouse demons, i.e. an unpleasant discussion - I'm just presenting the device; whoever is interested can look for more information and possibly a "jug" :-)

    PS: As you can see from the photo (picked up from Amazon), on this particular copy the chinol with his usual at-home yellow sloppiness did the description of the "keys": instead of >hydrogen rich< he printed >hydrogea ril<
    Typical of them.
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  • #100 21275977
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    @pavyan Nice kettle to decorate the kitchen and boil water for tea. The rest is heresy, fraud or humbug. Hydrogen in water will be as much as the H2O formula implies, and don't be afraid of oxygen for drinking. Perhydrol, i.e. H2O2. or hydrogen peroxide, will certainly not produce it. It's just a cash grab. Not the first and probably not the last.
  • #101 21276007
    SlawekKedra
    Level 43  
    Why heresy? If it is possible to produce hydrogen and dissolve it in water then it can be done in an enclosure similar to an ordinary kettle. Where is the heresy here?
  • #102 21276068
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello,
    pavyan wrote:
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    The product is water saturated with active hydrogen, i.e. water with a high negative potential...
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    And what is this, water with a high negative potential? maybe it has more cations than anions? and we have such "negative" water - I love the marketing "intelligentsia".
    Greetings
  • #103 21276106
    jack63
    Level 43  
    acctr wrote:
    for gases we do not apply fluid mechanics because gases are not liquids.
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    Exactly here, you are the one writing silly things. Bernoulli's law applies to liquids, gases or, for example, coal dust or flour.
    However, the above does not at all detract from the sense of your earlier statements.
    viayner wrote:
    And what is this? water with a high negative potential? maybe it has more cations than anions? and we have such "negative" water - I love the "intelligentsia" in marketing.

    I also love it so much that I would gladly send them to "white bears" or even further afield.
    It triggers in me a vomiting reflex at, increasingly all around us, marketing gibberish that is simply lies.
    However, most people want to be deceived and prefer lying gibberish to scientific truth.
    The topic is a typical 'sea serpent' and not much different from topics about 'free energy'.
    And oh what nonsense the google search engine spews out:
    Translation of text from https://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/h2_safety_fsheet.pdf
    "
    Is hydrogen 100% flammable?

    It is flammable over a wide range of vapour/air concentrations . Hydrogen is not toxic, but is easily suffocated by displacing oxygen from the air.
    "
    As you can see hydrogen can succumb to .... suffocation.
    Also author of the topic be careful because you may asphyxiate not yourself but ....hydrogen.
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  • #104 21276123
    thereminator
    Conditionally unlocked
    Well... We are in the 21st century, technology is developing at a frenetic pace, access to knowledge is easier than ever, and yet there is still a large part of the population mentally sitting in the Middle Ages (or even earlier) believing in witchcraft and charlatanism.
  • #105 21276502
    K3
    Level 30  
    >>21276123 .

    This works both ways.
    We have access to the content, but also the creators have access to the audience.

    At the same time, the pursuit of +1 requires content that is not necessarily true, but hits and engages as many people as possible.

    And in addition to this, the fact that knowledge today is more sophisticated and less transparent for ordinary people, the ordinary user is often unable to verify the information.
  • #106 21277289
    tronics
    Level 38  
    Crazy people. People have always healed themselves with chamomile decoction and leeches, or with fasting and penance, and now someone is pushing mould medicine for illnesses. Tfuu, what darkness.

    One has never washed one's hands between operations, why, and here some moron pops up with invisible disease factors. A tart who must be excluded from surgical associations!

    I'll give you my word, it's a circus, it's just a circus, some idiot claims that in order to become immune to smallpox you have to stick a needle with the blood of a cow suffering from cowpox deep into your arm.... this is against current trends and current medical knowledge! These are practices from China or India, which we know to have been rather ineffective!

    Early 20th century. - There are no scientific studies indicating the harmfulness of the X-ray tube or radium-coated tips. Nor is there any scientific evidence of the harmfulness of asbestos so widely used in industry. Mid-20th century - ubiquitous polyphenols, no, no studies. Thalidomide? Approved for use is safe. DDT? Safe, and how! Someone not using it must be a darkling from the Middle Ages, what are they afraid of?

    2021/22 - Covid ... Vaccines safe, effective, tested, no complications. Anyone who doesn't take it is a dullard, shuriken, anti-vaccine .... after the 3rd booster dose and increasing NOP reports ... this is fine. After the 4th booster, confirmation of NOP and even knowledge of the risks of the vaccine not passed on to the vaccinated .... silence. These enlightened minds, who were so convinced of their own infallibility, instead of coming out and apologising to everyone who had the most rational concerns simply hid and pretended that it did not concern them. That they weren't pushing bullshit. That they were not so extremely gullible to the mass media.

    Whether 'hydrogen machines' work - i.e. effectively combat any diseases - I don't know, I doubt it - their performance generally does not reflect the conditions of the research already conducted. Does hydrogen somehow help fight any health problems - there are scientific reasons for this. And yes, there are studies. This is neither medieval obscurity nor blunt propaganda for the success of pharmaceutical companies. This is science. Many of you are probably laughing at the idea of light therapy, but it does exist and for certain conditions it works. Of course, not any "internal light reflected by a patch", simply light sources of a certain intensity and specific wavelengths promote, among other things, healing processes. Let's go back to the 1990s and tell the doctor to "treat with light". What will he say? He won't say anything, just poke his finger in the forehead and call Tworek, Toszek, Rybnik etc. That's what gentlemen with straitjackets do.
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  • #107 21278011
    Anonymous
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  • #108 21278071
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    @ledo99 Even earlier. Solux and quartz lamps were known as early as the 1930s. Solux was near-infrared heating and quartz was ultraviolet irradiation. Perhaps at that time the exact effects and therapeutic action were not as well known as today, but it was nevertheless in use.
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  • #109 21278117
    rysio68
    Level 15  
    ledo99 wrote:
    Of course they treated with light and that in the People's Republic of Poland - in winter a lot of people had UV-A therapy (vitamin D deficiency)
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    Correction, not UV-A, but UV-B.
    @ledo99, you have touched on an important topic because vitamin D is known as the sunshine vitamin. During exposure to sunlight, the skin converts 7-dehydrocholesterol into vitamin D3. Throughout evolution, vitamin D3 has played a key role in the evolution of vertebrates. Vitamin D is not only extremely important for bone health, but has many other biological functions that help reduce chronic diseases. In our climate, supplementation, or UV-B irradiation, is essential. " This is the climate we have".
  • #110 21278249
    tronics
    Level 38  
    UV Teriapia? Well, we go back to the beautiful videos how characteristic of the era and there is, for example, "Childcare in the State Home for Young Children in Wroclaw". And you can see the "therapy" - ot a row of lamps and stacked beavers with protective goggles. It is difficult to speak of treatment here, rather the application of UV for the production of vitamin D precisely. I could still understand irradiation for fractures. But it may have been used somewhere, but my late grandmother certainly did not have such treatment after breaking her leg. Besides, with a typical quartz lamp you couldn't regulate the intensity etc. too much, and everything from UVA to UVC (and additionally ozone) is produced. Therefore, today there is with LED a completely different level and completely different possibilities. As far as I remember, the most important factor in UV phototherapy is exactly... UV-B.

    Where UV was already being used in a genuinely therapeutic way at the time was in the treatment of skin diseases - but again, the technology was too cumbersome to do this effectively with minimal side effects. The same was true of the developing laser therapy.
    Following this line of thinking, communist Poland (and Scandinavia and Russia today) nurtured cryotherapy for children.
    And "sun treatment" was already tried in the late 19th century with regard to tuberculosis and the trend generally continued until the advent of antibiotics (which were... well, more effective).

    The controversial electroshock therapy is no different. In the late 19th century it was the "cure for all evil" for a - a range of mental conditions, but the application was barbaric to say the least. Nowadays, it is still used, but ONLY for drug-resistant conditions, with an optimised current and under general anaesthesia (yes, the pioneers of the method winning various awards and environmental recognition did not even think of anaesthetising the patient, and let him throw himself around and break his gnats).

    Blue light irradiation (I think it's around "royal blue") is used in neonatal jaundice when the body can't cope with bilirubin on its own. All the rest of the spectrum generally is like this hydrogen (or hydrogen-saturated water) therapy. There are some observed positive effects, but no one has done extensive research to confirm that it's always there, that it will have the same effect in everyone, for every type of condition. Additionally, it is not uncommon for it to be a therapy that involves introducing a photosensitive agent into the body and only treating it with light (so not a treatment with light ONLY).

    This should only further illustrate that there is no getting used to current trends, as trends change and instrumentation evolves. In the device presented, I think it would "generally" help more with oxygen therapy (which for certain conditions has a documented effect) than with hydrogen therapy, but if someone doesn't mind being a guinea pig and at least FEELS that it helps them (even if it was just a placebo effect) then why should I criticise that. The only thing that really needs to be emphasised is the safety of use.
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    Anonymous
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  • #112 21279474
    acctr
    Level 38  
    tronics wrote:
    you can see the "therapy". - ot a row of lamps and stacked beavers with protective goggles. We can hardly speak of treatment here, rather of UV application for the production of vitamin D precisely.
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    It is not the production of vitamin D that is in question but the conversion of bilirubin to harmless compounds as part of the treatment of jaundice.

    tronics wrote:
    Exposure to fractures I could still understand. But maybe it was used somewhere, nevertheless my late grandmother certainly did not have such treatment after breaking her leg. Besides, with a typical quartz lamp you could not adjust the intensity etc. too much. a

    Fracture treatment doesn't mainly use ultraviolet, so it wouldn't have helped anyway.
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  • #113 21280234
    tronics
    Level 38  
    acctr wrote:
    It is not about the production of vitamin D but about the conversion of bilirubin to harmless compounds as part of the treatment of jaundice.
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    This I wrote, the light used is blue in colour, the therapy sometimes lasts more than 24 hours and this generally applies to neonatal jaundice. Maybe I don't know myself, but if a colleague types in what I am drinking to, i.e. "Childcare in the State Home for Young Children in Wrocław", one of the first results will be a video uploaded on FB, in about 38s there is shown a room with beavers who do not look like newborns. The staff and children with bushy hair waving their hands joyfully and holding their heads high while lying on their stomachs (again - I may not know, but it seems to be atypical for babies with jaundice) are wearing protective glasses, and the lector cheerfully talks about irradiation with a quartz lamp (where a large part of the spectrum is UV rather unnecessary in this process, and the time of irradiation is therefore very limited). But if a colleague insists, what can I do. I assume, however, that this was all about vitamin D3 in order to combat rickets, which is more common than today...

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    The treatment of fractures does not mainly use ultraviolet,
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    Hmmm... And it is strange that in the descriptions of the uses of quartz lamps with UVB is listed as supportive in the treatment of fractures or osteoporosis .... Sure, ultrasound or magnetic fields can also be supportive. But given the importance of vitamin D3 in building up bone tissue and binding calcium in the tissue, this use seems justified, especially when fractures are associated with e.g. icy pavement, and it seems that natural D3 is scarce at this time....
  • #114 21282062
    acctr
    Level 38  
    tronics wrote:
    I assume, however, that you were referring to vitamin D3 in order to combat rickets, which is however more common than today...
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    I don't know what video you are talking about, there are a lot of rolls on fb with no merit, maybe make more effort and look for more specifics on the topic, I can give you many sources, but since you have already established yours it would be pointless.

    tronics wrote:
    But given the importance of vitamin D3 in building bone tissue and binding calcium in the tissue this use seems justified, especially when fractures are associated with e.g. icy pavement and so it seems natural D3 is in short supply at this time...
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    These are just your ideas, not necessarily accurate because the reality is different. Fractures are treated locally and the secretion of vitamin D is not like that, besides you can take drops or tablets with this vitamin, why bother with a lamp?
    Fractures are treated with krypton and He-Ne lasers, which emit light at the opposite end of the spectrum, i.e. red and infrared. Light of these wavelengths penetrates a few cm under the skin, allowing localised action.
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  • #115 21282192
    tronics
    Level 38  
    acctr wrote:
    I don't know what video you are talking about, there are a lot of rolls on fb of no merit, [/b]maybe make more of an effort and look for more specifics on the topic, I can give you a lot of sources, but since you have already established yours it would be pointless.[/b]
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    Truly I have provided a phrase that if you type into a search engine 100% of the time will give you a result. Weak in content? Well like a good portion of the deep communist videos made by WFO etc. And yet, there was a discussion about it (light therapy in the PRL) and it was one of the results that exists and everyone can watch (only, as you can see, your colleague does not want to, but is eager to speak). I don't know why you are constantly making accusations; it is not difficult to see what is being discussed. I have written about neonatal irradiation before and I have written about the light that is used. Why, then, did my colleague assume that I was writing about quartz lamps?

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    Fractures are treated locally and the secretion of vitamin D is not so,
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    Yes, it isn't. Neither is taking chondroitin and glucosamine supplements topically when treating a damaged meniscus. What about in this connection?
    A colleague writes about NIR in the treatment of fractures.... sure it is
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5106470/
    But
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7052073/
    UV too.
    And magnetic fields. And ultrasound. Which, by the way, I have already written. So I know what I am writing about.
    And the colleague still does not know even though he wrote
    acctr wrote:
    Not about the production of vitamin D but about the conversion of bilirubin to harmless compounds as part of the treatment of jaundice.
    without even watching the material to which I referred. And clearly NOT wanting to watch it.
  • #117 21282956
    tronics
    Level 38  
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10667755/
    Using UVC to accelerate healing of stinging wounds....
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0142961208008685
    Use of UV on the oxide layer of titanium implants to improve bonding
    acctr wrote:
    Where do you get there about fracture healing? Prevention versus treatment - do you see the differences?
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    Many of the fractures of the elderly (but not only) have an underlying osteoporosis. Here, the fracture cannot be cured without addressing the root cause (because secondary fractures occur). Anyway, IR does not cure fractures either, nor is there any cure for fractures. It treats the body itself by building new tissue at the site of the fracture, all the rest are supportive treatments. And I have listed them. From old publications you will find the effect of warm compresses on bone fusion. Each of the previously mentioned modalities affects the rate of the fusion process and/or the mechanical parameters of the fusion. Yes, UVB irradiation can be converted to natural light exposure, and this can be converted to vitamin D and K supplementation. What about this? Either way, adequate concentrations of certain substances are necessary in the process of HEALING bone injuries and UVB is one way to do so. But coming back to earth - IR therapy is not generally seen on people with bone injuries either. Maybe in the case of athletes and complex fractures requiring long-term hospitalisation. The rest get put in a plaster cast and go home. No UV, no IR, no ultrasound and no magnetic fields. Polsza...

    Nothing is written by a colleague about this exposure of beavers. Doesn't fit FB? Well here's another source for the PKF film produced by WFD, what a tragic and unmeritorious source (well, propaganda it is known)
    http://repozytorium.fn.org.pl/?q=pl/node/7160

    Well, once again ... what is your proposal regarding this exposure? Does the colleague stay with this bilirubin? Or does he change his mind? Hmm?
  • #118 21287672
    acctr
    Level 38  
    tronics wrote:
    Many fractures of the elderly (but not only) have an underlying cause in osteoporosis. Here, the fracture cannot be cured without addressing the root cause (because secondary fractures occur). Besides, IR does not cure fractures either, nor is there any cure for fractures.

    The usual silly things you say, giving in support some links either to material you don't understand or propaganda of no value.
    The first best material on laser therapy in fracture treatment
    "The use of laser biostimulation and VIP light in the treatment of musculoskeletal diseases
    Jolanta Zwolińska1, 2, Aneta Weres1, Grzegorz Magoń1, 3, Renata Skalska-Izdebska1"
    Text excerpt about the effectiveness of laser therapy in treating fractures. .

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    tronics
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    Data from the literature indicate that the most commonly used physiotherapy meto-days in such cases are laser biostimulation and VIP light therapy.

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    Physiotherapy is the science of treatment methods by natural means that are based on forms of physical energy that are in the human environment, including movement, thermal, kinetic, electrical, light and chemical stimuli.

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    Laser beam and VIP light are often used in parallel with other physical agents.



    And now...
    From this publication
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    Solar energy as a valuable source of vitality was used in ancient times for prophylactic and then also medicinal purposes. The 19th century saw the intensive development of phototherapy, used to treat skin diseases, rickets and tuberculosis.
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    What did I write wrong?

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    The biological effects of laser light result from activation of the respiratory chain at the cellular level, an increase in sodium-potassium pump activity, an increase in RNA (ribonucleic acid) synthesis and cellular proliferation, and an
    increased ATP (adenosine triphosphate) synthesis
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    That is, stimulating tissue metabolism, which is what I wrote. The laser itself DOES NOT cure the fracture. It accelerates the proliferation of osteoblasts in the initial 2 weeks and generally that's it. What else is needed for good fusion? Calcium, phosphorus, glucose (for proliferating tissue) and vit D3 metabolites (including calcitriol), among others. Because this is needed for the mineralisation of bone tissue to give mechanical strength. Hence
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7368004/
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-86730-0

    Therefore my opinion
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    The body itself heals by building new tissue at the site of the fracture, all the rest are supportive treatments. And I have listed them.
    is absolutely correct so I don't know what you want to argue with.

    I also wrote about magnetic fields and ultrasound. There are also such publications and research results. And positive effects. Then I ask now which of these methods are standardly available for the treatment of fractures in PL on the NFZ? Aaaa, ok... that's what I thought.
    So if you say a then I say b, c and d. All the methods I described are applicable in specific circumstances and support fracture physiotherapy. And you insist on the only right - in your opinion - solution, and so far you are unable to answer the question I asked earlier on which basis you concluded that the quartz-irradiated beavers were irradiated to break down bilirubin, and if not why they were irradiated. Are you finally going to give me an answer, or are you just going to continue with your dodgy answers and do whatever is convenient for you?
  • #120 21288167
    acctr
    Level 38  
    tronics wrote:
    And you have insisted on the only right - in your opinion - solution, and so far you are unable to answer the question posed earlier on the basis of which you concluded that the quartz-irradiated beavers were irradiated to break down bilirubin, and if not why they were irradiated.

    https://www.mp.pl/pytania/pediatria/chapter/B25.QA.25.106.2.

    Question about indications for phototherapy in newborns with hyperbilirubinemia born after 35 weeks of pregnancy. Excerpt from an article discussing the treatment of jaundice in newborns. .
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